Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Shofercia]

Team America: World Force Police!

Actually literally this. The rest of the world can't be trusted to not lose its shit, so America has to nudge them back into line from time to time.

Oh, and you're not exceptional. The pro interventionist candidates are being utterly pounded in the Republican Primaries. America's a democracy, and the Age of Interventionism is over. The American People said so. Get over it.

Thank god. Maybe we can stop pussyfooting around and get this neocolonialism party started off right.

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

[The balkens]

Because somebody has to. And it's in the majority of the globe's best interest that it be America. Washington gets it. Why can't you?


Average Americans are incapable of seeing the larger geopolitical picture, much like the majority of the population. Hence why there are exemplary Americans, like myself.

Team America: World Force Police!

Oh, and you're not exceptional. The pro interventionist candidates are being utterly pounded in the Republican Primaries. America's a democracy, and the Age of Interventionism is over. The American People said so. Get over it.

heres the thing about Americans.

Our opinions can change at the drop of a fucking hat.

pearl harbor. 9/11.

Dare harm a large number of Americans, and you earn the wrath of a people who have a enemy in mind. Be it Japan, terrorists, or Russians.

[New Frenco Empire]

Your post doesn't take into account several things, including: impact of war on the economy, impact of US morale on the war, impact of unconventional warfare on the home front, impact of a hostile populace, impact of...

Conventional wars are a thing of the past.

The United States has the resources, disciplined manpower, technology, influence and war materiel neither Iran nor Russia could dream of controlling. Like I said, in any serious war, the U.S's biggest limiting factor is public opinion and support. Take that out of the equation, and no one else has a chance.

Of course they are. But since you're talking about a (very) hypothetical U.S defeat at the hands of Iran and Russia...

[The balkens]

Actually literally this. The rest of the world can't be trusted to not lose its shit, so America has to nudge them back into line from time to time.

Thank god. Maybe we can stop pussyfooting around and get this neocolonialism party started off right.

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

Something that Russia also seems to not know how to do.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Actually literally this. The rest of the world can't be trusted to not lose its shit, so America has to nudge them back into line from time to time.

Thank god. Maybe we can stop pussyfooting around and get this neocolonialism party started off right.

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

The US will always intervene. Regardless of what isolationist lipservice a candidate pays. The President is a man, not an island.

[The balkens]

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

The US will always intervene. Regardless of what isolationist lipservice a candidate pays. The President is a man, not an island.

Who has advisers and may HAVE to act.

[Shofercia]

Team America: World Force Police!

Oh, and you're not exceptional. The pro interventionist candidates are being utterly pounded in the Republican Primaries. America's a democracy, and the Age of Interventionism is over. The American People said so. Get over it.

heres the thing about Americans.

Our opinions can change at the drop of a fucking hat.

pearl harbor. 9/11.

Dare harm a large number of Americans, and you earn the wrath of a people who have a enemy in mind. Be it Japan, terrorists, or Russians.

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

[Vistulange]

And why should we have intervened? The Turkish State's job is not to save Kurds nor to establish a state for them.

Because ISIS is a terrible organization that threatens you directly.

And we can fight ISIS ourselves. Why should we help Kurdish militias which may cross the border and aid the PKK? We have no evidence that they will be our allies. Our current Kurdish ally is Barzani, not the YPG, not the PKK, not the PYD.

Proof of extermination, please.

Unless you think that the PKK is representative of the entire Kurdish people and that the PKK is not a terrorist organization and that they shit rainbows.

Yea extermination isn't the word for it. Repression.

For God's sake, that article, which is completely vague as to who wrote it and with what credentials, cites the fucking HADEP as "more recently". Go look up during which time period HADEP was active in. It was banned in 2003. Twelve years ago.

Twelve years is a lot of time in Turkish politics, despite what you may want to think in your delusion. Also, Leyla Zana? They make her sound like a cute little woman who was repressed for seeking her rights!

The woman shouted in Kurdish in the GNA chamber. She violated every regulation of the Chamber. You do not violate the regulations. Oh, but when you idealist, liberal, Western lot like it, it's all nice and democratic, right? Forgot that.

Proof of extermination, please.

Unless you think that the PKK is representative of the entire Kurdish people and that the PKK is not a terrorist organization and that they shit rainbows.

It looks like you think the PKK is representative of the Kurdish population. You just said that it's okay to not bat an eye while ISIS massacres them.

Would you like to continue putting words in my mouth, Geilinor, or shall I continue to respect you as the NSG'er I know you are?

The YPG, PYD and the PKK are not the same thing, but have connections with each other. We'll bomb the PKK back into the Stone Age, of course, because they are a terrorist group which have harmed Turkey and its citizens. The question is, why are we expected to help the YPG? "BECUZ CIVILIANS IN KOBANI BOO HOO"? Well, sorry, but we aren't going to help the YPG. The United States can. We'll just bomb them when they cross the border and help the PKK attack Turkey, because that's what they do. ISIS, YPG, PKK, PYD; they are no different from one another. All are potentially enemies of Turkish interest.

[United Dependencies]

Team America: World Force Police!

*police force*

or just "police"

or if you're really cool: the force

[Shofercia]

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

The US will always intervene. Regardless of what isolationist lipservice a candidate pays. The President is a man, not an island.

Really? Because I remember how quickly Obama backpedaled on Syria, right after the US public opinion turned against that intervention. Congress too.

[Vistulange]

You are woefully misinformed if you believe that Mustafa Kemal's CHP was anything like the modern CHP.

As for the second sentence, why should they be mutually exclusive? The Middle-East being fucked up is not necessarily against the United States' benefit. The United States did what it believed to be in its interests and fucked up the Middle-East as a result, if we have to go by that example, which, mind you, I do not believe in.

That's okay. The United States does not have a task of ensuring that the Middle-East is okay. Its task is to look after its citizens. Same with us.

Both are/were secular and center-left.

Any party that calls itself "centre-left" is leftist to you, eh?

Yes, almost every party in Turkey is secular. Clearly, that makes the CHP, HDP and MHP the same. Fuck their views on nationalism, because they're all secular, yeah?

[The balkens]

heres the thing about Americans.

Our opinions can change at the drop of a fucking hat.

pearl harbor. 9/11.

Dare harm a large number of Americans, and you earn the wrath of a people who have a enemy in mind. Be it Japan, terrorists, or Russians.

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

Not quite. i want a world where russia is left unable to act. never said war.

[Shofercia]

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

Something that Russia also seems to not know how to do.

Russian raised Putin is doing a much better job than Western backed Yeltsin did. Democracy takes time to develop. The US didn't even start working on that until the end of the Civil War. Although, if you'd like, we can count your posts for 3/5ths of opinions.

The US will always intervene. Regardless of what isolationist lipservice a candidate pays. The President is a man, not an island.

Who has advisers and may HAVE to act.

So where's Obama's punishment for not intervening in Syria? Is Congress going to impeach him? Oh no, wait, they'll go after Obamacare for the zillionth time. Oh wait, I got this, some lobbyist will pay some journalist to write mean words about Obama. Yeah, I can totally see Obama crying... /sarcasm

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

Not quite. i want a world where russia is left unable to act. never said war.

I recommend that you start RPing, cause that ain't happening in reality.

[The balkens]

Its will become reality Shof, youre just to scared to see that it happened before.
The 90s, what wondrous years when Russia knew its place. isolated, weak and lucky that the west didnt twist the knife further.

Looks like that was a mistake.

[Vistulange]

Its will become reality Shof, youre just to scared to see that it happened before.

What are you, five years old?

"Its going to happen lol u just cant accept it lol"

Really?

[Chossudovsky]

Actually literally this. The rest of the world can't be trusted to not lose its shit, so America has to nudge them back into line from time to time.

Thank god. Maybe we can stop pussyfooting around and get this neocolonialism party started off right.

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

lol, you really think that the US corporatocracy cares about what the public thinks when it comes to foreign wars? In 2000, George W Bush was a non interventionist candidate and look how that turned out. Just because candidates are saying that they won't intervene abroad during the campaign doesn't mean that they will go against the wishes of their corporate masters when in office.

[Geilinor]

heres the thing about Americans.

Our opinions can change at the drop of a fucking hat.

pearl harbor. 9/11.

Dare harm a large number of Americans, and you earn the wrath of a people who have a enemy in mind. Be it Japan, terrorists, or Russians.

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

You're more aggressively nationalist than Putin. Who knew.

[Shofercia]

Its will become reality Shof, youre just to scared to see that it happened before.
The 90s, what wondrous years when Russia knew its place. isolated, weak and lucky that the west didnt twist the knife further.

Looks like that was a mistake.

Wow, I've never seen such hatred for the Russian People from anyone before. But it's good that you admit that you genuinely thought that the West had a knife in Russia. Ahh yes, the wondrous 90s, when we almost had a nuclear war over Kosovo. Eh, fuck it, Earth's too old anyways, amirite Balk?

[Shofercia]

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

You're more aggressively nationalist than Putin. Who knew.

On the issue of Ukraine. I would've also been making a greater push for Civil Rights in Russia.

[The balkens]

Its will become reality Shof, youre just to scared to see that it happened before.
The 90s, what wondrous years when Russia knew its place. isolated, weak and lucky that the west didnt twist the knife further.

Looks like that was a mistake.

Wow, I've never seen such hatred for the Russian People from anyone before. But it's good that you admit that you genuinely thought that the West had a knife in Russia. Ahh yes, the wondrous 90s, when we almost had a nuclear war over Kosovo. Eh, fuck it, Earth's too old anyways, amirite Balk?

Never said i hated the Russian people.

All my life, ive grown from hating the soviets to hating the Russians to hating the Russian government and those that bend over backwards to defend it like their life depended it. You say i want war?

Pah, i want revenge, Shof; for something that people on your bandwagon will say was "justified."

[New Frenco Empire]

No wonder you're desperate for Russia to attack the US. You want a war. And yet, Putin hasn't even annexed Ukraine. I would've annexed Ukraine by now in his place, except maybe the Western part. And I wouldn't attack a NATO member. You want a war. Waaa! Crimea River. You ain't getting it.

Not quite. i want a world where russia is left unable to act. never said war.

Oh come now. No need for that. I say we should throw some of those "Western infiltrator puppets" they're always going on about in their borders. You know, tame the Russian beast just like how we tamed ISIS and turn it into a *gasp* liberal democracy!

[Shofercia]

Its will become reality Shof, youre just to scared to see that it happened before.

What are you, five years old?

"Its going to happen lol u just cant accept it lol"

Really?

Look at the grammar: its will become reality... classic! Reminds of "Tenny tenny much DeNiro in su trucky-trailer"

Perhaps you misread that. The candidates that want to waste money intervening abroad aren't doing well in the polls. The US is a Democracy, and while the US sucks at exporting Democracy, the US is amazing at running a Democracy in the US. So if the pro-interventionists are losing... then the US won't be as likely to intervene. Unless it's an ally.

lol, you really think that the US corporatocracy cares about what the public thinks when it comes to foreign wars? In 2000, George W Bush was a non interventionist candidate and look how that turned out. Just because candidates are saying that they won't intervene abroad during the campaign doesn't mean that they will go against the wishes of their corporate masters when in office.

Yes, it does. You should've seen the massive PR push against the public during run up to the Iraq War. You don't think the WMD claim was made solely for the UN, right?

[The balkens]

You're more aggressively nationalist than Putin. Who knew.

On the issue of Ukraine. I would've also been making a greater push for Civil Rights in Russia.

Fine job there, sir! LGBT people are no longer being hunted down and beaten by Neo-nazis!

Owait. Homophobia is rampant.

[Vistulange]

On the issue of Ukraine. I would've also been making a greater push for Civil Rights in Russia.

Fine job there, sir! LGBT people are no longer being hunted down and beaten by Neo-nazis!

Owait. Homophobia is rampant.

I'm sorry, since when did human rights in Russia become the focus of this thread?

[Shofercia]

Wow, I've never seen such hatred for the Russian People from anyone before. But it's good that you admit that you genuinely thought that the West had a knife in Russia. Ahh yes, the wondrous 90s, when we almost had a nuclear war over Kosovo. Eh, fuck it, Earth's too old anyways, amirite Balk?

Never said i hated the Russian people.

All my life, ive grown from hating the soviets to hating the Russians to hating the Russian government and those that bend over backwards to defend it like their life depended it. You say i want war?

Pah, i want revenge, Shof; for something that people on your bandwagon will say was "justified."

You called the 1990s, the worse time for the Russian People since Hitler invaded the USSR, "wondrous" and are practically begging for "extension" of said time frame. And since countries undergo population changes, revenge against countries isn't really justified.