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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:40 pm

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Equalsun Empire wrote:Julius Caesar. Just think, if they hadn't defeated the Gauls and seized the title of Emperor, Rome wouldn't have grown powerful! And if Rome hadn't grown powerful, they would have never fallen, giving rise to the Byzantines. And if the Byzantines hadn't fallen to the Ottomans, the Ottoman Empire couldn't have formed. And if the Ottoman Empire hadn't fallen then the Serbs wouldn't have formed a nation. And if the Serbs hadn't formed a nation, the Black Hand would never have formed and Russia wouldn't have pledged to protect Serbia. And if neither of those had happened, Austria wouldn't have gone to war with Serbia which would cause Russia to go to war with Austria which would cause Germany to go to war with Russia and France which would cause France to prepare to defend themselves which would call for the Schlieffen Plan which would cause Britain to declare war on Germany which would force Germany to use unrestricted submarine warfare which would cause the United States to declare war against Germany.

So, it's no wonder the Senate assassinated Caesar, he started World War 1!

Actually, I'd blame Paris of Troy. Think about it. If he didn't start banging Helen, the Trojan War never would have started. Without that, the Trojans would have never sailed with Aeneus to Italy. And without them, Romulus never would've even built Rome in the first place.


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Postby Mirakai » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:41 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Equalsun Empire wrote:Julius Caesar. Just think, if they hadn't defeated the Gauls and seized the title of Emperor, Rome wouldn't have grown powerful! And if Rome hadn't grown powerful, they would have never fallen, giving rise to the Byzantines. And if the Byzantines hadn't fallen to the Ottomans, the Ottoman Empire couldn't have formed. And if the Ottoman Empire hadn't fallen then the Serbs wouldn't have formed a nation. And if the Serbs hadn't formed a nation, the Black Hand would never have formed and Russia wouldn't have pledged to protect Serbia. And if neither of those had happened, Austria wouldn't have gone to war with Serbia which would cause Russia to go to war with Austria which would cause Germany to go to war with Russia and France which would cause France to prepare to defend themselves which would call for the Schlieffen Plan which would cause Britain to declare war on Germany which would force Germany to use unrestricted submarine warfare which would cause the United States to declare war against Germany.

So, it's no wonder the Senate assassinated Caesar, he started World War 1!

Actually, I'd blame Paris of Troy. Think about it. If he didn't start banging Helen, the Trojan War never would have started. Without that, the Trojans would have never sailed with Aeneus to Italy. And without them, Romulus never would've even built Rome in the first place.

Nonono

Blame Themistocles. If he hadn't orchestrated the defense at Thermopylae, Western Civilisation as we know it wouldn't have ever risen in the first place
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:41 pm

No one nation is to blame for the war, but Austria-Hungary started off by being far too aggressive towards Serbia.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:42 pm

Mirakai wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Actually, I'd blame Paris of Troy. Think about it. If he didn't start banging Helen, the Trojan War never would have started. Without that, the Trojans would have never sailed with Aeneus to Italy. And without them, Romulus never would've even built Rome in the first place.

Nonono

Blame Themistocles. If he hadn't orchestrated the defense at Thermopylae, Western Civilisation as we know it wouldn't have ever risen in the first place

No we're using mythology here damnit. In all seriousness, wern't we talking about ww1?
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Mirakai wrote:Nonono

Blame Themistocles. If he hadn't orchestrated the defense at Thermopylae, Western Civilisation as we know it wouldn't have ever risen in the first place

No we're using mythology here damnit. In all seriousness, wern't we talking about ww1?

Of course! We're simply trying to get the most accurate result as to why the war started.
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:50 pm

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Let's just say if the Big Bang didn't bloody happen everything would be simpler OK xD

see, now that's just a cheap point to grab. that can be used in every "who's responsible for X" thread.


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Postby Cetacea » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:04 pm

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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:11 pm

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Galloism wrote:Archduke Franz Ferdinand's driver. If he had kept up with the itinerary, no World War 1.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:21 pm

I seem to recall this one Austrian chap who was convinced it was the Jews. Strange fellow.

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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:I seem to recall this one Austrian chap who was convinced it was the Jews. Strange fellow.

Look at a map of pre-WWI Europe. Austria-Hungary borders Russia, which borders Ottoman Empire. Israel is in former Ottoman territory. Coincidence?
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You should put "My opinion" in the title. You're stating an (unpopular) opinion as fact.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:04 pm

Serbia, through covert support of the chap who assassinated Franz Ferdinand and their incessant need to remove different ethnic foods from glorious Serbian motherland.
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Postby The Wolven League » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:05 pm

Yuketobaniac unions wrote:That dude who shot the duke.

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Postby The Wolven League » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:08 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I seem to recall this one Austrian chap who was convinced it was the Jews. Strange fellow.

Look at a map of pre-WWI Europe. Austria-Hungary borders Russia, which borders Ottoman Empire. Israel is in former Ottoman territory. Coincidence?

Didn't A-H have a direct border with the Ottomans?
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Postby Tafhan » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:10 pm

The Serbians and other Austria Hungarian sepratist rabble rousers. But Bismarcks ambition and Indeed, the apparent ambition of the German Empire, (and the similar ambition of Britain) contributed greatly.
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Postby The Socialist Siverian State » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:12 pm

Personally, I think Austria-Hungary and Russia are the most to blame.

Russia's mobilization led to other nations mobilizing. Russia's alliance with France basically forced them support Russia,which led to Germany making the Schiefflen Plan, and invading Belgium. The two front war Germany was afraid of made them do this, but makes them equally responsible for the war. Russia also wanted some territory in the Balkans, which gave them a prefix to go to war with Austria.

Austria-Hungary made the worst decision by issuing that ultimatum, and of course Serbia didn't accept. With that, Austria had a reason to invade. With Germany supporting Austria-Hungary, the stage was already set for war.
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Postby The Wolven League » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:12 pm

Tafhan wrote:The Serbians and other Austria Hungarian sepratist rabble rousers. But Bismarcks ambition and Indeed, the apparent ambition of the German Empire, (and the similar ambition of Britain) contributed greatly.

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Postby Severin Topia » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:13 pm

[quote="The Conez Imperium";p="26156181"]I've never seen this thread before, in my time on Nationstates and since it's the 100th year anniversary lets do this then, who is to blame for the start of WW1?

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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:14 pm

I would say Germany mainly, although it is not entirely for us to blame just Germany. Germany and Britain went into an armaments race, which triggered tension between the two nations. Germany also brought in the U.S. into the war, when they sent a telegram to Mexico to attack the U.S.
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Postby Mirakai » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:15 pm

Severin Topia wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:I've never seen this thread before, in my time on Nationstates and since it's the 100th year anniversary lets do this then, who is to blame for the start of WW1?


Were the Serbia
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Knowing what would happen if they had accepted there fate and leave Russia out of it

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:15 pm

Galloism wrote:Archduke Franz Ferdinand's driver. If he had kept up with the itinerary, no World War 1.

In his defense, the first assassination attempt already sent the itinerary all to hell.

On the other hand, if Gavrilo Princip had eaten a larger breakfast that morning, he wouldn't have felt the need to go get a sandwich...
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:16 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Galloism wrote:Archduke Franz Ferdinand's driver. If he had kept up with the itinerary, no World War 1.

In his defense, the first assassination attempt already sent the itinerary all to hell.

On the other hand, if Gavrilo Princip had eaten a larger breakfast that morning, he wouldn't have felt the need to go get a sandwich...


However, Germany is the one that assassinated. Had that assassination not occurred, then we might not have the war.
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