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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:40 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... hael-chant

In a small, nondescript room, two pristine photos have been ceremoniously hung up on a red-draped screen: one, of the eternal president Kim Il-sung, the other of the dear leader Kim Jong-il.

But this is not Pyongyang. It’s a monthly London meet-up of British groups who support the North Korean regime, and speaking this week is the DPRK ambassador to Britain, and the secretary of Friends of Korea, Michael Chant.

A long time communist and composer of music, Chant holds the post of general secretary for the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist). Like all of his cohorts, the 70-year-old has no Korean family connections, but found an affinity with the politics and ideals of the regime in the late 1970s.

Speaking on Skype a few months after the meeting, Chant explains that the purpose of the network is to counter the “slanderous propaganda” depicting the DPRK as a “dictatorship”.

The network – which includes the Juche Idea Study Group of England, the UK Korean Friendship Association, and several communist parties – meets regularly to read revolutionary speeches, watch North Korean films and send messages of solidarity to the North Korean government.

The most popular country for friendship groups is currently China – followed by Russia, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. But members say the groups are becoming increasingly popular in the USA and Europe, too, with most run on Wordpress blogs or websites posting supportive teachings of the Juche ideology.

Friends of Korea is part of a loose global network of pro-North Korean friendship groups, which includes the (similarly named) Korean Friendship Association, run by Alejandro de Cao Benos, a self-styled Spanish spokesperson who claims to be working as a “special delegate” for the DPRK government.

Pyongyang Over Whitehall

Speaking on Skype, Chant says he broadly agrees with the criticism of the protestors who sporadically appear outside the South Korean embassy in London, and who denounce it as a “fascist puppet regime”.

“I’m not opposed to calling the South Korean regime a puppet”, says Chant who hasn’t joined the protests in person. “The South Korean people don’t have the opportunity to make political decisions and the government does the bidding of the USA.”

Chant also makes a damming comparison between his own government and the DPRK: “In Britain, there’s an antagonism between the government and the people,” he says, accusing Whitehall of being made up of people doing “nasty things”.

Unlike in the DPRK, he argues, where “the government is at one with the people, and the people are involved in decision-making through local party assemblies.”

Chant also believes that western criticism of Kim Jong-un, who came to power after the death of his father Kim Jong-il in 2011, overlooks the country’s power dynamics. “Kim Jong-un embodies the aspirations of the people,” he says. “They have great respect for Kim Jong-un because he represents their will.”

When quizzed about allegations of grave human rights abuses, including prison camps and torture at the hands of Kim’s government, Chant is evasive: “The Koreans have their reasons for doing things,” but says in their defence that they don’t shy from discussion: “You ask the comrades at the embassy a question and they will answer it.”

The 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights, which accused the regime of committing systematic and appalling human rights abuses against its own citizens, is a bone of contention amongst the Friends of Korea: “They make out there are terrible human rights violations, but what you actually find is that the US is behind these reports,” says Chant.

“The report is based on a conception of human rights that emphasises private property and multi-party democracy. When the DPRK doesn’t uphold these values, it’s said to be a human rights violation,” he claims, blaming the US for its for “aggressive” behaviour against North Korea.

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Chant much prefers to talk about a passion closer to his heart – classical music. For the composer, it’s North Korea’s love of playing music socially which drew him to develop such a strong connection to their culture.

A church organist during his teenage years, he became a follower of the experimental musician Cornelius Cardew and grew more involved in politics as Cardew became more left-wing. He recalls that developed an interest in communism during the 1970s, inspired by Mao’s Cultural Revolution.

Chant enthusiastically describes his visit to a kindergarten in Pyongyang on his most recent trip in 2013 where he saw “tiny tots stand up and sing in public without embarrassment or trepidation”.

That’s a big difference between the UK and the DPRK, he argues: “the arts are being marginalised here, but factories in the DPRK have their own orchestras. Music is played in the morning on the streets. More than anything, you see young people learning.”


DPR(U)K?

Does he think the west can learn anything from the DPRK? “Yes,” Chant replies, “the west can learn how to be civilised and cultured. Everywhere you go in the DPRK, everyone is so friendly – it’s the ethos of the country.”

Despite being an avid supporter of the DPRK, Chant will no go as far as suggesting the UK adopts the same system. “We should have a system whereby the English, Welsh, and Scottish people have the power to make decisions,” he says, before adding “socialism is everyone’s future – it’s the way the world develops.”

Nor does he want to become a North Korean resident. “I want to carry on fighting the struggle here”.
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I'm a proud KFA Member. DPRK and CEC 4 life noobs!

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Postby Esgonia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:43 pm

“The west can learn how to be civilised and cultured. Everywhere you go in the DPRK, everyone is so friendly – it’s the ethos of the country.”

Lost it right there.
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:43 pm

I would have never imagined a pro-North Korea organization existing in a civilized and constitutional nation like Britain.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:43 pm

What is your opinion?

Also, as someone who pretended to be Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un for a while, I am not surprised. There will always be supporters of anything, even if it is the DPRK or people who love the smell of durians. Given that we have 7 billion people and that we are getting interconnected, it's likely that if we grouped every person by everything they liked, there will be nobody who'd be alone if we made them say what they truly like.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:43 pm

Gim wrote:I would have never imagined a pro-North Korea organization existing in a civilized and constitutional nation like Britain.

It exists in Canada and the USA as well as in many other countries.

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Postby The Salvatagard Republic » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:46 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Gim wrote:I would have never imagined a pro-North Korea organization existing in a civilized and constitutional nation like Britain.

It exists in Canada and the USA as well as in many other countries.

Obviously the U.S. Because ISIS is planning on bombing a/several major mall/s in America
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:47 pm

Esgonia wrote:“The west can learn how to be civilised and cultured. Everywhere you go in the DPRK, everyone is so friendly – it’s the ethos of the country.”

Lost it right there.


I guess tyrannical = friendly.
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Postby Alayrgoths » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Perhaps they're just really articulate trolls, in one for the long-haul.

“The west can learn how to be civilised and cultured. Everywhere you go in the DPRK, everyone is so friendly – it’s the ethos of the country.”

That's just... what. That can't actually be a serious statement from this guy. It sounds almost trollish. Like they're trying to parody N. Korea. But apparently they're not. It boggles the mind.

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Postby Alyakia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:48 pm

we asked them for flags they didn't respond

their UK embassy is literally just some guys house turned embassy

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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:50 pm

Alayrgoths wrote:Perhaps they're just really articulate trolls, in one for the long-haul.

“The west can learn how to be civilised and cultured. Everywhere you go in the DPRK, everyone is so friendly – it’s the ethos of the country.”

That's just... what. That can't actually be a serious statement from this guy. It sounds almost trollish. Like they're trying to parody N. Korea. But apparently they're not. It boggles the mind.


Well, the guy did visit Pyongyang in around 2013. All foreigners see in the forbidden city are facades. Harmonious and cheerful children singing, tour guides praising the dictator, and so forth.

Someone basing the merit of a nation solely by sheer propaganda is extremely, I mean, extremely ignorant.
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Postby The Salvatagard Republic » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:51 pm

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Empire of Narnia wrote:It exists in Canada and the USA as well as in many other countries.

Obviously the U.S. Because ISIS is planning on bombing a/several major mall/s in America

Why was I thinking about ISIS? Oh, ya. I thought I was on the "Problem solved with ISIS." forum. Oops.
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Postby Mefpan » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:59 pm

Isn't this basically based on paranoid imagination that their own government must be lying to them all the fucking time about everything so anything called bad because it is bad must be good per default?

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:29 pm

Why is this shocking? Labour just elected a member of the hard left as it's leader.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:30 pm

Mefpan wrote:Isn't this basically based on paranoid imagination that their own government must be lying to them all the fucking time about everything so anything called bad because it is bad must be good per default?

Bloody hell.

Maybe we actually approve of the DPRK's system of government and want it implemented across the world.

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Postby Rusozak » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:31 pm

My question is why. North Korea isn't exactly the go to for communist/socialist sympathizers. They're more of the "fuck everything" nation.
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:40 pm

Rusozak wrote:My question is why. North Korea isn't exactly the go to for communist/socialist sympathizers. They're more of the "fuck everything" nation.


Kimmism is basically "We Survive, You Guys Die" form of ideology. You're right. Of course, the main targets are USA and South Korea.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:42 pm

I very nearly signed up to something like this myself. My friend did it. Don't do ideologies, kids. It fucks with your head.
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Costa Fierro wrote:I very nearly signed up to something like this myself. My friend did it. Don't do ideologies, kids. It fucks with your head.


Obviously, those who support such a violent and corrupt ideology has not lived under one.
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Postby Esgonia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:44 pm

Rusozak wrote:My question is why. North Korea isn't exactly the go to for communist/socialist sympathizers. They're more of the "fuck everything" nation.

Because of the "Hate the West" thing.
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:45 pm

Esgonia wrote:
Rusozak wrote:My question is why. North Korea isn't exactly the go to for communist/socialist sympathizers. They're more of the "fuck everything" nation.

Because of the "Hate the West" thing.


"Hate South Korea" really. They'd do anything to surpass its southern counterpart, if not appear as if they do.
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Costa Fierro wrote:I very nearly signed up to something like this myself. My friend did it. Don't do ideologies, kids. It fucks with your head.

I do ideologies. It made me a G.

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Postby Peoples Anarcho Communist Communities » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:47 pm

Gim wrote:I would have never imagined a pro-North Korea organization existing in a civilized and constitutional nation like Britain.

Well I don't dissagree with them after all compared to South Korea and america North Korea is the good guy
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Empire of Narnia wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:I very nearly signed up to something like this myself. My friend did it. Don't do ideologies, kids. It fucks with your head.

I do ideologies. It made me a G.

Your in game nation likes North Korea
So your saying a theocracy likes a
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