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Postby United States of White America » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:44 am

Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:48 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


I'm surprised a Christian doesn't know how to use the phrase 'god-fearing' properly. Never been to church?
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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:49 am

Not much of a god if he dies for such a shitty reason.

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Postby Days of Rodeo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:50 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

Can't God resurrect and avenge himself? I'm kinda busy all week.

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:51 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

I think "God" is neither dead nor alive.
Also, I highly doubt that Nietzsche feared "God"...
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:51 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

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We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!
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Postby Christainville » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:52 am

Iwassoclose wrote:Not much of a god if he dies for such a shitty reason.

You are correct, but I think dead isn't as relevant as it seems.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:52 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

I'll camp at his spawn point, hehehe.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:52 am

Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

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We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Humanity, Fuck YEAH!
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Postby Christainville » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:54 am

United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

I think the point is, what or who is God? Is it a moral, is it a being, is it a war lord? What is your definition of God. Honestly, anyone can "kill a God", you can deny him, or go against a teaching, in theory that kills that beings power over you since you don't follow it. Yet, it doesn't kill the God since others can believe in it. Yet, you come to the point of does the God even need your compliance to do as he pleases? That opens up another viewpoint. So, honestly this can be viewed many ways.

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Postby Kamcha » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:54 am

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Humanity, Fuck YEAH!


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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:55 am

Genivaria wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

I'll camp at his spawn point, hehehe.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:55 am

Nietzsche wanted god to be dead so he could his assume his place as god of the edgy youth and psychos.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:56 am

This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...
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Postby Highfort » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:56 am

Christainville wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.

I think the point is, what or who is God? Is it a moral, is it a being, is it a war lord? What is your definition of God. Honestly, anyone can "kill a God", you can deny him, or go against a teaching, in theory that kills that beings power over you since you don't follow it. Yet, it doesn't kill the God since others can believe in it. Yet, you come to the point of does the God even need your compliance to do as he pleases? That opens up another viewpoint. So, honestly this can be viewed many ways.


Nietzsche was referring specifically to the power of Christianity, which he felt was being rapidly outpaced by developments in the naturalistic sciences. Essentially, for him, the death of God means humanity has to step up to the plate and fill that void with new meaning or risk being consumed by nihilism - which he detested, and which he felt was rapidly sweeping Europe.
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Postby Sollis » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:57 am

Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

I second this motion.

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Postby Highfort » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:58 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...


You mean it can't be the Christian God. Immortality is not a prerequisite to being a god, since a god is merely "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes". Nowhere in there does the concept of immortality become necessary.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...


You clearly understood the statement perfectly and without any error whatsoever. Good job.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:59 am

Highfort wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...


You mean it can't be the Christian God. Immortality is not a prerequisite to being a god, since a god is merely "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes". Nowhere in there does the concept of immortality become necessary.


I'm assuming he was a Westerner, and typically when Westerners talk about ''God'' they mean the Judeo-Christian God and we all know the Judeo-Christian God, according to the narrative, cannot be killed

he's just stating a contradiction and trying to masquerade it as wisdom
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Postby Ardavia » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:00 am

Mefpan wrote:I am a human and I don't bow to any lowly god-creature! All hail the Man-Emperor of Mankind!


All hail!
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:00 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...


You clearly understood the statement perfectly and without any error whatsoever. Good job.


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Postby The Wolven League » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:00 am

Nietzsche killed God so he could usurp the throne and be patron god of edginess.
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Postby Apollinis » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is ridiculous...

God definitionaly can't be dead; if he exists, then he definitionaly can't die

You have to keep things consistent. Either God exists and he is alive... or God doesn't exist. There is no such thing as God exists and he is dead now (let alone any further consideration of whether or not he should be resurrected and avenged).

We should pay no attention to this Mr. N whoever he was because his statement simply isn't consistent. If something dies, then that something definitionally can't be ''God''; Mr. N thought he was being witty but in fact he's just saying contradictory and impossible things. Quite a typical move for self-styled academic philosopher elites I suppose...

Nietzsche's point was not that God both literally existed and is now literally dead. His point was a more poetic way, I'd argue, of articulating the observation that Western secularism meant the decline of a reliance on Abrahamic morality in the West.

Taking it literally would be an incredibly stupid way of dismissing Nietzsche.
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Postby Highfort » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm assuming he was a Westerner, and typically when Westerners talk about ''God'' they mean the Judeo-Christian God and we all know the Judeo-Christian God, according to the narrative, cannot be killed

he's just stating a contradiction and trying to masquerade it as wisdom


Except of course that it isn't a contradiction since Nietzsche did not mean it in the biological sense of death. Nietzsche indicated that the pervading influence of Christianity and Christian morals was waning in Europe and that the "death" of God would mean that a new set of values would have to fill the void lest humanity risk slipping into nihilism.
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