San Lumen wrote:Then why don't you run yourself or do a write in ballot?
Good idea. Big Jim P for POTUS!
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by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:49 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:54 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:57 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:58 pm
San Lumen wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm not sure how that follows logically
Its quite simple if you don't vote you and refuse to participate in the democratic process you don't get a say in whose in office and what polices they enact. What's so hard to get? Since you hate taxes so much but refuse to vote get the rest of your apathetic friends and refuse to pay taxes to the system you hate so much.
by Big Jim P » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:00 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Yes, and then you, as an adult, have not renounced your citizenship.
the government's powers to make laws that control you is not dependant on whether or not you are a citizen or have citizenship, it simply depends on whether or not you are in the range of its powers or not
and it unconditionally affects you so long as you are in range, period
by Maqo » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:10 pm
BK117B2 wrote:That's not actually what fee simple means.
As for state ownership, as I have already pointed out: much of the private land in the US was privately owned before the US government ever existed and passed down without any period of ownership by the people as a whole. For that land, government has never even had the opportunity to retain certain powers when transfering it as it has never had the opportunity to transfer it at all.
by BK117B2 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:27 pm
Maqo wrote:BK117B2 wrote:That's not actually what fee simple means.
For the purposes of this discussion, its sufficiently accurate. The legal agreement I have with the government of the ownership of my land is non-allodial ownership.As for state ownership, as I have already pointed out: much of the private land in the US was privately owned before the US government ever existed and passed down without any period of ownership by the people as a whole. For that land, government has never even had the opportunity to retain certain powers when transfering it as it has never had the opportunity to transfer it at all.
There MAY be instances of land that the government doesn't own. I think that is unlikely (they tend to pass laws that mean you cant inherit or sell allodial title to citizen).
The point is that the general statement (based on propert rights, all taxation is theft) is too strong, demonstrated by the fact of government ownership of (most) land giving them jurisdiction over the people on that land. It means that if you want to claim taxation is theft, you must show that the land you own or reside on is not owned by the state, on a case by case basis.
Can you give an example of land you think is not owned by your State? You've said before that your property is not: can you prove that?
by San Lumen » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:33 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:San Lumen wrote:
Its quite simple if you don't vote you and refuse to participate in the democratic process you don't get a say in whose in office and what polices they enact. What's so hard to get? Since you hate taxes so much but refuse to vote get the rest of your apathetic friends and refuse to pay taxes to the system you hate so much.
so tell me, which political party supports the abolition of taxes?
None? Then don't try to trick me into voting to promote the status quo with some incrementalist argument
by Coeverden » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:36 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:12 pm
San Lumen wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
so tell me, which political party supports the abolition of taxes?
None? Then don't try to trick me into voting to promote the status quo with some incrementalist argument
So then get all your apathetic friends to refuse to pay taxes since you hate the system so much and think voting is trivial and a waste of time. I'm sorry the education system has failed you so. Why don;t you go move to the Western Sahara where there is no formal government and no taxes to pay?
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:13 pm
Coeverden wrote:I once reported an acquaintance for not paying taxes. No idea how he got away with it for so long, but it stopped.
So, that tells you my opinion on the subject. If you don't pay taxes, go to jail or have assets seized.
by Maqo » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:26 pm
by BK117B2 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:17 am
Maqo wrote:The state hardly ever exercises its full rights. But the fact that it does have those rights is the opening needed for it to be the state.
Maqo wrote:Essentially, property that is wholly privately owned is not part of the state. If the state completely sold all rights (or never owned the rights) that is tantamount to surrendering territory to a foreign state.
by Wolfmanne2 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:18 am
Dyakovo wrote:Calimera II wrote:
You studied law. You know there are states. You know that states exercise full sovereignty over a territory. Full sovereignty, the state is legally capable of taxing people, things, institutions and corporations. By working and living in a particular state you accept the rules of that state. If you don't want to pay taxes, go live in a state where you don't have to pay taxes.
Unreasonable assumption.
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.
by Daburuetchi » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:33 am
by Ifreann » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:36 am
Coeverden wrote:I can't tell if the OP is serious or not.
by Mavorpen » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:50 am
by Sociobiology » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:20 am
its not contractual, it simply unconditionally operates on anyone who is within range
when you are 18, you more realistically can escape its powers
of course it does, your the one who mistakenly thinks the only form of consent is writing your name on a piece of paper.consent plays no role in any of this
by Sociobiology » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:27 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:San Lumen wrote:
Its quite simple if you don't vote you and refuse to participate in the democratic process you don't get a say in whose in office and what polices they enact. What's so hard to get? Since you hate taxes so much but refuse to vote get the rest of your apathetic friends and refuse to pay taxes to the system you hate so much.
so tell me, which political party supports the abolition of taxes?
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