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Should Prisoners Have The Right To Vote?

Yes, they are human beings.
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No, prisoners should pay for what they have done.
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Should Prisoners Be Given the Right to Vote?

Postby Pot4toes » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:25 pm

So, I guess the concept is very simple: should prisoners be able to vote in elections? If you are commenting, please, and I mean PLEASE state why you think so. If you have any questions or comments, send a TG!
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:28 pm

You do realize that is what this entire forum is for, right?
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Postby Babylatia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:29 pm

I think in order to answer this question we need more information.
Do you mean felons? Of which I think no.
Do you mean those arrested for less-major crimes? Then I am not sure.
Or those who are being held for misdemeanors? In which yes.

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Postby Pot4toes » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:30 pm

Threlizdun wrote:You do realize that is what this entire forum is for, right?

I do not know how I should respond to that.
Babylatia wrote:I think in order to answer this question we need more information.
Babylatia wrote:I think in order to answer this question we need more information.
Do you mean felons? Of which I think no.
Do you mean those arrested for less-major crimes? Then I am not sure.
Or those who are being held for misdemeanors? In which yes.

I just mean in overall. Good question.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:31 pm

Pot4toes wrote:So, I guess the concept is very simple: this is a place for debating about several different topics at ranging degrees of importance,

How about a whole subforum...maybe we can call it General...
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Postby Yedmnrutika Gavr » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:32 pm

Threlizdun wrote:You do realize that is what this entire forum is for, right?


kind of agree with this one

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:33 pm

Once the felon has served their time? Let them vote. But no voting behind bars.
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Postby New Werpland » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:35 pm

Iye:
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Nay: this one
Reasons: they don't deserve it

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:37 pm

I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.
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Postby Mysterious Stranger 2 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:44 pm

Games go in F7, all of general is debate.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.

There are no winners or losers in NSG debates, only survivors.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:53 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.

There are no winners or losers in NSG debates, only survivors.

Who, studies show, envy the dead 68% of the time.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.

Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

EDIT: In regards to the topic, I lean towards 'yes', but only because the ECHR has deemed it as a human right. Personally I think punishment and incapacitation should take primacy over rehabiliation. Whilst the introduction has reduced reoffending rates, the fact is that the reoffending rate is still quite high. Rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and lock up the rest.
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Postby Luna Amore » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:58 pm

1. The whole forum of General is for debates so having a dedicated thread for debates is unnecessary.
2. The topic starter is expected to give their opinion and something to discuss. Your OP needs a bit more or this will be locked.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:There are no winners or losers in NSG debates, only survivors.

Who, studies show, envy the dead 68% of the time.

Except between June 1st and September 1st, when they envy the dead 329% of the time.
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:01 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.

Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

*snarky comment including the word edge*
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Postby Bering » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:04 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

*snarky comment including the word edge*

*snarky comment affirming previous snarky comment*
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:06 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who, studies show, envy the dead 68% of the time.

Except between June 1st and September 1st, when they envy the dead 329% of the time.

And in election seasons there are no survivors.


Since we have a topic, though perhaps only temporarily since the OP doesn't seem to grok NSG, I'll say that I'm very much in support of prisoners retaining their right to vote.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:11 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think your problem is that you're under the impression that debates here are a game that one side wins or loses. That's not really how we do things.

Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

EDIT: In regards to the topic, I lean towards 'yes', but only because the ECHR has deemed it as a human right. Personally I think punishment and incapacitation should take primacy over rehabiliation. Whilst the introduction has reduced reoffending rates, the fact is that the reoffending rate is still quite high. Rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and lock up the rest.

The ECHR is right on labor... but don't let them vote behind bars. They'll just vote for who offers most leniency to criminals. That I know will happen. Anyways, where's my Maserati that goes 185?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:13 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

EDIT: In regards to the topic, I lean towards 'yes', but only because the ECHR has deemed it as a human right. Personally I think punishment and incapacitation should take primacy over rehabiliation. Whilst the introduction has reduced reoffending rates, the fact is that the reoffending rate is still quite high. Rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and lock up the rest.

The ECHR is right on labor... but don't let them vote behind bars. They'll just vote for who offers most leniency to criminals. That I know will happen. Anyways, where's my Maserati that goes 185?

Interesting notion, that people shouldn't be allowed to vote if it is believed that they might vote for something you have a problem with.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:16 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Aye. See, in NationStates General, debate is nonexistant. Generally something is posted, the majority view is formulated and than witty(?) one-liners are thrown at those who dissent. It's an interesting case study of what mob rule would be like in real life and I am thankful that actual governments do not use NationStates as an inspiration on how to govern countries.

inb4 one-liners are thrown at me.

EDIT: In regards to the topic, I lean towards 'yes', but only because the ECHR has deemed it as a human right. Personally I think punishment and incapacitation should take primacy over rehabiliation. Whilst the introduction has reduced reoffending rates, the fact is that the reoffending rate is still quite high. Rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and lock up the rest.

The ECHR is right on labor... but don't let them vote behind bars. They'll just vote for who offers most leniency to criminals. That I know will happen. Anyways, where's my Maserati that goes 185?

Well because maybe in the U.S we kind of have too many non-violent "criminals" behind bars in the first place?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:20 pm

They should get to vote if they are serving a short time for a non violent offence, the time could be from six months to four years, as they should only vote if they're released during the governments reign.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:24 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:They should get to vote if they are serving a short time for a non violent offence, the time could be from six months to four years, as they should only vote if they're released during the governments reign.

I'm guessing the idea behind this is that they shouldn't get to vote if they'll be in prison for the entire life of that government, yes?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:They should get to vote if they are serving a short time for a non violent offence, the time could be from six months to four years, as they should only vote if they're released during the governments reign.

I'm guessing the idea behind this is that they shouldn't get to vote if they'll be in prison for the entire life of that government, yes?


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:29 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm guessing the idea behind this is that they shouldn't get to vote if they'll be in prison for the entire life of that government, yes?


Pretty much.

See, that doesn't make sense to me. Prisons are just buildings people live in that they can't leave. They're not the Phantom Zone. The people in there are still part of society. They're still subject to the government's authority. They have as much an interest in the government's policies as anyone else, possibly even more. Why shouldn't they therefore be allowed to vote?
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