UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

[Krumbia]

Ha ha ha. The Tories had to take their 'attack' video off YouTube because of a copyright claim.

[The Ridings of Yorkshire]

Ha ha ha. The Tories had to take their 'attack' video off YouTube because of a copyright claim.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ha ha ha. The Tories had to take their 'attack' video off YouTube because of a copyright claim.

Ahaha

[Stormaen]

Maybe it's the liberal in me or maybe it's the apathy of back-and-forget politics but...

(Whilst I know it's an impossibility) I do wonder what a Lib Dem majority government might be like. Full-EU mode aside, I do genuinely think it would be better than anything the Conservatives or Labour could come up with.

[Val Halla]

Seeing as Corbyn is a threat to national security, the MI5 should interview him for our safety.

[The Matthew Islands]

Today's winner of "WTF newspapers" is the Sun. I mean, holy shit, how is it profitable?

1 - The brickies of the UK
2 - Rupert Murdoch

So if we could topple the Murdoch empire then we might be getting somewhere.

Bullshit is it just bricklayers.

[Mollary]

First post Corbyn voting intention poll:

Tories 38% - Labour 32%, therefore no indication of immediate change after the Corbyn changes, but it is early days and he could make more of an impact on the polls in coming weeks. =

[Wolfmanne2]

First post Corbyn voting intention poll:

Tories 38% - Labour 32%, therefore no indication of immediate change after the Corbyn changes, but it is early days and he could make more of an impact on the polls in coming weeks. =

At my school Debating Society we're debating on whether Corbyn can win the General Election. Might debate in favour of #JezWeCan, just can't find any facts and figures in favour of him. Is there ANY reason why he can win? This isn't reassuring for me .

Sunshine.

[The Huskar Social Union]

First post Corbyn voting intention poll:

Tories 38% - Labour 32%, therefore no indication of immediate change after the Corbyn changes, but it is early days and he could make more of an impact on the polls in coming weeks. =

At my school Debating Society we're debating on whether Corbyn can win the General Election. Might debate in favour of #JezWeCan, just can't find any facts and figures in favour of him. Is there ANY reason why he can win? This isn't reassuring for me .

Sunshine.

Hah the Sun, never ceases to crack me up with some of the shite they come off with.

[Wolfmanne2]

At my school Debating Society we're debating on whether Corbyn can win the General Election. Might debate in favour of #JezWeCan, just can't find any facts and figures in favour of him. Is there ANY reason why he can win? This isn't reassuring for me .

Sunshine.

Hah the Sun, never ceases to crack me up with some of the shite they come off with.

I actually like reading The Sun. It's a good laugh. Their reporters are certainly creative.

[Greater-London]

At my school Debating Society we're debating on whether Corbyn can win the General Election. Might debate in favour of #JezWeCan, just can't find any facts and figures in favour of him. Is there ANY reason why he can win? This isn't reassuring for me .

Sunshine.

It's to early for there to be any polls to suggest otherwise. Perhaps go of the popular support some of the thought bubbles hes put out there - renationalize railways and energy? anti intervention in Syria? Probably the best you can do.

In terms of him winning, oppositions don't usually win elections but governments loose them. If theres one thing that the British public aren't keen on (besides the radical left of the Labour party) its smug, overly comfortable, incompetent Tory governments.

In my mind Corbyn will either swoop in in a landslide OR crash and burn before the election.

[Val Halla]

Corbyn could make politics.... Fun

[Greater-London]

Corbyn could make politics.... Fun

He's certainly making it more interesting. I have a hope (although I know its EXTREMELY unlikely) he will save the union and campaign for us to leave the EU. More likely that his election as Labour leader will be the biggest political earthquake he causes.

[Val Halla]

Corbyn could make politics.... Fun

He's certainly making it more interesting. I have a hope (although I know its EXTREMELY unlikely) he will save the union and campaign for us to leave the EU. More likely that his election as Labour leader will be the biggest political earthquake he causes.

IDK, I know a lot of people stopped voting Labour because they were tired of it's direction. Don't know if this one is, but hey, we'll find out soon enough

[Greater-London]

IDK, I know a lot of people stopped voting Labour because they were tired of it's direction. Don't know if this one is, but hey, we'll find out soon enough

Sure but then some people who voted for Dave in 2010, voted for Ed in 2015. Do you think they will vote for Jez in 2020? The problem with the argument 'the left have abandoned the Labour party and will now return' is that even if ALL those people came back (which they wont) you will simultaneously scare of floating voters; who lets be clear are the people who decide elections. So you end up back where you started numbers wise.

It's also not just the lurch to the left that may put people of. Jeremy doesn't have a great deal of experience in terms of leading or governing his skill set starts to dwindle after well meaning opposition. I know its not just going to be him dictating everything but I don't see any evidence to suggest he will be a 'good' leader even if his policy decisions where always on the mark.

Also lets not get started on the foreign policy mine field....

[The Matthew Islands]

This is it.

This is just.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COupfIsWwAAxloP.jpg

[Yeldarid]

I'm predicting a hung parliament in 2020. The Conservatives will lose a few seats, so they won't have a majority, but Labour won't be able to to enough seats from England+Wales to be in the majority either, as I expect Scotland to remain mostly SNP unless they screw it up massively.

[Val Halla]

I expect nobody to win. There will be a lot of negotiations, because it'll be so tight. I reckon it'd be a Labour coalition with somebody.

[Wolfmanne2]

It's too early to predict. No prediction from me.

[Angleter]

First post Corbyn voting intention poll:

Tories 38% - Labour 32%, therefore no indication of immediate change after the Corbyn changes, but it is early days and he could make more of an impact on the polls in coming weeks. =

At my school Debating Society we're debating on whether Corbyn can win the General Election. Might debate in favour of #JezWeCan, just can't find any facts and figures in favour of him. Is there ANY reason why he can win? This isn't reassuring for me .

Sunshine.

I think the main thing would be that Corbyn wouldn't need to get a majority. He'd just need to get to around 275 seats (in England and Wales) and then govern with the support of the SNP (any votes or seats gained from the SNP will be worth nothing). Then he'd be able to close the gap slightly just by the fact that over the next five years, many (predominantly Tory) older voters will die off, and a similar number of (predominantly Labour and Green) younger voters will replace them. With that and by squeezing the Greens he could probably draw level with the Tories (ignoring the following factors). Then he'll have to hope that turnout among younger and poorer voters increases enough to keep him afloat in marginal seats (the problem with the non-voters that Corbynites generally hope will sweep them to victory is that they already tend to be concentrated in Labour safe seats) against the tide of voters going from Labour to the Tories, LibDems, and UKIP.

[Angleter]

This is it.

This is just.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COupfIsWwAAxloP.jpg

I thought the Sunday Sport went (appropriately enough) bust?

[Wolfmanne2]

This is it.

This is just.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COupfIsWwAAxloP.jpg

I thought the Sunday Sport went (appropriately enough) bust?

As did I. I was so happy last week to discover they still exist.

[Val Halla]

It looks like pasta to me.

[Great Nepal]

I think 2020 could go few different ways. Let me start by saying Corbyn won't win, he may attract some voters from the left and some disenfranchised voters but this will be countered by comparatively right wing supporters of Labour defecting to liberal democrats and given his questionable foreign and defence policy he'll get destroyed in the debates. That doesn't mean its time to bury Labour yet, Corbyn has reinvigorated young and left-far left voters and unless he does something really silly they aren't going away so debate will shift to the left (not as far as Labour might want but far enough to make conservative uncomfortable). With more moderate leader who has backing of Corbyn, Labour could possibly take it away although whoever takes over will need to go back on their promise wrt SNP (they aren't going to get enough seats in England without isolating themselves against SNP but they can't form majority without SNP). If conservative goes into election with comparatively left candidate, they could exploit the shift by Corbyn to get the majority (they aren't particularly reliant on Scotland for SNP to bother them).
Now if neither of these happen (ie. Labour go in with Corbyn/ Corbyn-lite or Conservatives go with right wing candidates/ don't move back to the centre), landscape will be prime to be exploited by liberal democrats. If they market themselves as centre-left candidate, they might be able to get back into the game although since they probably won't get enough seats with Labour (again SNP taking the Scotland and Labour + SNP not needing Liberals) and will probably avoid allying with Conservatives for a generation, I can't see them going into government. Maybe giving opposition a serious threat though.

[Geilinor]

Corbyn could make politics.... Fun

He's certainly making it more interesting. I have a hope (although I know its EXTREMELY unlikely) he will save the union and campaign for us to leave the EU. More likely that his election as Labour leader will be the biggest political earthquake he causes.

Most of the party doesn't want to leave the EU, Corbyn wouldn't risk it.