UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

[Lordieth]

People support UKIP because they're anti immigration and/or want out of the EU, Corbyn is pro EU (although perhaps not as pro as other labour members) and definitely pro immigration. I just can't see it happening, people seem to forget how hugely divisive an issue immigration is, it really is a deal breaker for many.

Actually a lot of people supported UKIP because they were drawn in by the popularism. They want it as a real alternative to two shades of blue. No coincidence that UKIP's colouring is Purple.

UKIP offered hard-line immigration policies that neither labour or the conservatives would dare touch, and they also cashed in on the growing apathy over the EU. Beyond that I don't really know what UKIP's core message is.

[Alyakia]

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well, people that went from labour to UKIP. it's not unimaginable he could win some of them back.

UKIP hit Labour in the North though, which Labour already have.

oh. then maybe people will realize that the tories are actually not that good with the economy and that many of their ministers are eh at best and look at the general failures that have been half of their flagship policies and decide to vote for someone that has vowed to at least try and reverse some of their mistakes.

hey, it could happen.

[The Archregimancy]

Mildly entertaining collision of Corbyn and Trump:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... emy-corbyn


Trump was tricked "into tweeting a picture of Labour’s new leader, believing it was the father of a fan".

It's wholly inconsequential, but worth a 2-second laugh.

For full reaction, you can go here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw

[St Wilhelm]

Good for Corbyn.

How does he win people who voted Tory and UKIP in the South/Midlands?

The south is meaningless if you can claim the North, Wales and Scotland, along with the inner city London constituencies. You know, the majority of the population and seats.

Labour already have all of those, minus Scotland, and they aren't in government.

Labour needed someone who could win the Midlands and a splattering of southern towns and cities, instead they've given them to the Conservatives - with a nice red ribbon.

[Hydesland]

I actually think Corbyn could win, I just hope his policies are moderated by then.

[Alyakia]

Mildly entertaining collision of Corbyn and Trump:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... emy-corbyn


Trump was tricked "into tweeting a picture of Labour’s new leader, believing it was the father of a fan".

It's wholly inconsequential, but worth a 2-second laugh.

For full reaction, you can go here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw

honestly this just annoys me. haha guy (well, his staff, probably) does nice thing for fans oh turns out it was a trick lol what the fuck does this accomplish except a 2-second laugh and discouraging people doing nice things?

[Olivaero]

Don't underestimate his charisma. I don't agree some of his views, but even I'm impressed by how well he carries himself. It's how he says it, not just what he says, and I think that's what will win back voters. Tony Blair was a charismatic party leader, after all, and I'm not exactly his biggest fan.

See, Corbyn definitely is unique to many voters, but I don't see a lot of charisma so to speak. I've discussed this before, but his speaking style seems rather...drab. I don't know, maybe I'm just biased.

He's straight talking or that's what it looks like to me. He's not Farage level bombastic but he's not some dry academic either he tells it how he sees it or at least appears to do so.

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't underestimate his charisma. I don't agree some of his views, but even I'm impressed by how well he carries himself. It's how he says it, not just what he says, and I think that's what will win back voters. Tony Blair was a charismatic party leader, after all, and I'm not exactly his biggest fan.

See, Corbyn definitely is unique to many voters, but I don't see a lot of charisma so to speak. I've discussed this before, but his speaking style seems rather...drab. I don't know, maybe I'm just biased.

I'm not seeing drab.

We've discussed this before. His charisma is "I am real talk".

[Alyakia]

See, Corbyn definitely is unique to many voters, but I don't see a lot of charisma so to speak. I've discussed this before, but his speaking style seems rather...drab. I don't know, maybe I'm just biased.

I'm not seeing drab.

We've discussed this before. His charisma is "I am real talk".

hmm. a straight talking politician with a few actually popular policies. can't see how that would speak to disaffected voters or non-voters.

[Lordieth]

See, Corbyn definitely is unique to many voters, but I don't see a lot of charisma so to speak. I've discussed this before, but his speaking style seems rather...drab. I don't know, maybe I'm just biased.

He's straight talking or that's what it looks like to me. He's not Farage level bombastic but he's not some dry academic either he tells it how he sees it or at least appears to do so.

Yeah, he doesn't really worry about trying to mince his words, or be diplomatic with his language. Because of that you get to the core of what he believes in, and that's what people find appealing. He seems open-minded and willing to listen to new ideas without sacrificing his principles, where other politicians will go with whichever way the wind is blowing.

[The Archregimancy]

Mildly entertaining collision of Corbyn and Trump:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... emy-corbyn


Trump was tricked "into tweeting a picture of Labour’s new leader, believing it was the father of a fan".

It's wholly inconsequential, but worth a 2-second laugh.

For full reaction, you can go here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw

honestly this just annoys me. haha guy (well, his staff, probably) does nice thing for fans oh turns out it was a trick lol what the fuck does this accomplish except a 2-second laugh and discouraging people doing nice things?

I agree that it likely says nothing about Trump or Corbyn personally.

But it does tend to suggest that Trump's team haven't bothered to follow the political situation in one of the closest allies of the United States, and therefore don't recognise the new Leader of the Opposition in that ally. Corbyn's election is one of the top stories of the home page of the Washington Post's site, so at least some Americans have noticed.

So while it's largely inconsequential, it does raise a minor eyebrow given that Trump keeps telling us about how he can be relied on to hire 'smart people'.

[Imperializt Russia]

I actually think Corbyn could win, I just hope his policies are moderated by then.

Still haven't had an email back concerning his stance on nuclear power.

[St Wilhelm]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

[Lordieth]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Can't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs.

[Imperializt Russia]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Miliband (David, I assume?) and Kendall I sort of understand, but why would Cooper and Harman move to the back bench?

[Apollinis]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Miliband (David, I assume?) and Kendall I sort of understand, but why would Cooper and Harman move to the back bench?

David Miliband resigned as an MP two years ago, so St. Wilhelm is referring to Ed, I believe.

Cooper, if I'm remembering correctly, did the opposite of Burnham and pretty much ruled out working with Corbyn during her leadership campaign, so I can see how she might see it as a loss of face/generally wrong to stay on.

[Imperializt Russia]

I thought Ed stood down as an MP when he resigned as Leader.
I don't concern myself with individual MPs, far too many.

[Wolfmanne2]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Miliband (David, I assume?) and Kendall I sort of understand, but why would Cooper and Harman move to the back bench?

Shit, I forgot about Harperson resigning. At least there was some good news from Labour.

[Apollinis]

I thought Ed stood down as an MP when he resigned as Leader.

Nah, he stayed on - I think he spoke in Parliament not long after it reconvened.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Why does the SNP keep electing leaders whose surnames remind us of fish?

I'd imagine so. Then they shall lead us Scots, as we begin a new life away from the harshness of terrestrial life in either the Atlantic or North Sea. *nods*

Is the Green Party deciduous?

Yes, they bud in early spring and appear beautiful through the summer. However by Autumn they are exhausted and defoliate, where they spend the long winter shivering and naked.

[Pesda]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Wasn't Harman going to go anyway? As for Leslie, this is good news.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, they bud in early spring and appear beautiful through the summer. However by Autumn they are exhausted and defoliate, where they spend the long winter shivering and naked.

This probably exists somewhere on the internet.

[Pesda]

David lloyd George

Oh.

Bevan (Don't ask me to spell his first name) has the weirdest name?

Aneurin Bevan is a perfectly normal name. Certainly if you compare it to names like "Yvette Cooper" or "Ed Miliband." Seriously who calls their daughter Yvette.

[Hydesland]

Chris Leslie, the Shadow Chancellor, has become the fifth(?) frontbencher to resign - alongside Kendall, Miliband, Cooper and Harman all returning to the backbenches.

Front bench resignations so far: Chris Leslie, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, Chuka Umunna, Tristam Hunt, Emma Reynolds, Jamie Reed

Telegraph is actually reporting up to 12 have resigned.

[Alyakia]

Why does the SNP keep electing leaders whose surnames remind us of fish?

I'd imagine so. Then they shall lead us Scots, as we begin a new life away from the harshness of terrestrial life in either the Atlantic or North Sea. *nods*

post your face when pretty much every scenario except corbyn winning maybe guarantees an even stronger SNP and much more fodder for a second referendum with higher chances, especially if we leave the EU

now post the face of the people happy that corbyn won because it means labour will lose when they realize this