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Help choose a title for thread Mk. III

UK Politics Thread III: Disraeli Gears
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UK Politics Thread III: The Garden of Eden
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UK Politics Thread III: Lord Palmerston or Pitt the Elder?
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UK Politics Thread III: Pleidiol Wyf I'm Gwlad
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UK Politics Thread III: Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface
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Other
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Total votes : 91


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Shamhnan Insir
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Shamhnan Insir » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:40 am

The Archregimancy wrote:New poll!

Great job on the options Arch. :)
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Dooom35796821595
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Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:09 am



Looks like Mr Osbourne has been taking lessons from the American house of cards. At least we know who to blame if 'someone' throws a brick through his window.
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Imperializt Russia
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Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:45 am

The Archregimancy wrote:New poll!

I trust that the final decision on the name will be made by an impartial committee and the popularity of options is merely a suggestion to them?
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Napkiraly
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Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:54 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:New poll!

I trust that the final decision on the name will be made by an impartial committee and the popularity of options is merely a suggestion to them?

It's the British way.

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The Archregimancy
Game Moderator
 
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Founded: Aug 01, 2005
Democratic Socialists

Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:03 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:New poll!

I trust that the final decision on the name will be made by an impartial committee and the popularity of options is merely a suggestion to them?


The new thread will be launching into a debate forum where we address global challenges that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people, including global warming, the EU referendum, and the future constitutional status of the United Kingdom.

That’s why the moderation team want a name that lasts longer than a social media news cycle and reflects the serious nature of the discussion taking place. There are many excellent suggestions among options in the thread poll, and we’ll make a decision as to which one should be put forward for the official title when we’ve had a chance to review them all.

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:04 am

Change "Garden of Eden" to "Garden of Eton" and it's got my vote.

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The Archregimancy
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:29 am

Merizoc wrote:Change "Garden of Eden" to "Garden of Eton" and it's got my vote.


I was aiming for former Prime Ministers, not public schools.

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Pachenstein
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Founded: Jun 28, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Pachenstein » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:36 am

Pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad!
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MERIZoC
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:39 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Change "Garden of Eden" to "Garden of Eton" and it's got my vote.


I was aiming for former Prime Ministers, not public schools.

It'd be so appropriate tho. :(

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Dooom35796821595
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Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:02 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Change "Garden of Eden" to "Garden of Eton" and it's got my vote.


I was aiming for former Prime Ministers, not public schools.


Well, a lot of past PMs graduated from Eton.
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Imperializt Russia
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Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:43 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I trust that the final decision on the name will be made by an impartial committee and the popularity of options is merely a suggestion to them?


The new thread will be launching into a debate forum where we address global challenges that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people, including global warming, the EU referendum, and the future constitutional status of the United Kingdom.

Do you believe we will make significant inroads into the implementation of an open and inclusive policy for the ethnocentrically homogeneous objectives of this thread?
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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The Liberated Territories
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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:55 pm

My experiences with British...pronunciation is that Garden of Eden will be invariably pronounced similar to Garden of Eatin

Pachenstein wrote:Pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad!


u wot m8
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Anywhere Else But Here
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Ex-Nation

Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:06 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:My experiences with British...pronunciation is that Garden of Eden will be invariably pronounced similar to Garden of Eatin

What kind of Brits have you been talking to?

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Napkiraly
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Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:08 pm


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Dooom35796821595
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Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:22 pm



Of course the important question that must be asked is.....does Sadiq Khan share her view? :p
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

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Major-Tom
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Founded: Mar 09, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:45 pm

Oh fuck, not Welsh...

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The Liberated Territories
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:48 pm

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:My experiences with British...pronunciation is that Garden of Eden will be invariably pronounced similar to Garden of Eatin

What kind of Brits have you been talking to?


Ea'in'

cu' ran'omly dro'in cosno'ants is a bri'ish fing (or at least some dialects in England and occassionally Scotland)
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Hydesland
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Founded: Nov 28, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby Hydesland » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:15 pm

Image

Useful chart helpful to understand the details over the pay disputes.

source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23e47c2c-09fe ... z46yb5ZgyG

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Dooom35796821595
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Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:24 pm

Hydesland wrote:(Image)

Useful chart helpful to understand the details over the pay disputes.

source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23e47c2c-09fe ... z46yb5ZgyG


I think the BMA proposal is quite reasonable, although I don't think they should get such a pay hike just for working on a Saturday unless it's part of a six day week.

Also I think there should be some sort of requirement to work In the NHS until they repay the cost of their medical training.
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

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Tamsien
Chargé d'Affaires
 
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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Tamsien » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:20 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Oh fuck, not Welsh...

Yes please Welsh c:
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Imperializt Russia
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Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:25 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Hydesland wrote:(Image)

Useful chart helpful to understand the details over the pay disputes.

source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23e47c2c-09fe ... z46yb5ZgyG


I think the BMA proposal is quite reasonable, although I don't think they should get such a pay hike just for working on a Saturday unless it's part of a six day week.

Most of them probably do. The pay hike is because Saturday is "unsociable hours". I would assume this is why the current rate has a range between 1.2x pay and 2x pay on a Saturday and Sunday.

This is one of the fundamental areas of the dispute - most, almost all doctors, work Saturdays. At least one per month. Some Sundays as well.
But working on a Saturday is working an unsociable day.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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Val Halla
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Ex-Nation

Postby Val Halla » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:16 pm

I noticed the Daily Express actually calls itself the world's greatest newspaper on the front. Wow.
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Valaran
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Ex-Nation

Postby Valaran » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:22 pm

Val Halla wrote:I noticed the Daily Express actually calls itself the world's greatest newspaper on the front. Wow.


"Hello, my name is Valaran, and I hold the dubious awesome honour to be NSG's greatest poster"

:P
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Dooom35796821595
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:45 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I think the BMA proposal is quite reasonable, although I don't think they should get such a pay hike just for working on a Saturday unless it's part of a six day week.

Most of them probably do. The pay hike is because Saturday is "unsociable hours". I would assume this is why the current rate has a range between 1.2x pay and 2x pay on a Saturday and Sunday.

This is one of the fundamental areas of the dispute - most, almost all doctors, work Saturdays. At least one per month. Some Sundays as well.
But working on a Saturday is working an unsociable day.


It is unsociable hours, but a lot of people work on a Saturday. And getting 2x pay just because it's Saturday is an excessive extention of an already large pay check. It's also the problem of ensuring A&E remain open 24/7.
It would be intresting to compare doctors with other essential 24 hour services like police and fire fighters. One disadvantage for police is they can't go on strike.

I'm not against the doctors, but I can't approve of disrupting essential services.
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

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