UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

[Valaran]

Way to backtrack there Farage.

Ok, what the fuck.

Just days ago, he had condemned Boris' similar statement.

I mean, is he flip-flopping, or...?

I makes no sense at all

(I did check around to see if HuffPo misreported it, but no apparently he did say that on BBC Radio 4).

[Val Halla]

Way to backtrack there Farage.

Ok, what the fuck.

Just days ago, he had condemned Boris' similar statement.

It's Farage, so he will be Farage.

[The Nihilistic view]

Way to backtrack there Farage.

Ok, what the fuck.

Just days ago, he had condemned Boris' similar statement.

No I think you got the wrong end of the stick. He did not say he disagreed from what I have seen he said was that attacking Obama personally was a mistake at that time not saying the Kenyan stuff in the first place. What he is condeming him for is something different.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm not sure as arguments go;

"Don't listen to him, he's just butthurt we tortured his family back when nobody was able to stop us doing whatever we wanted. Quit the EU and ECHR!" is an argument that'll go down well with the public.
Or maybe it will.

[Souseiseki]

I'm not sure as arguments go;

"Don't listen to him, he's just butthurt we tortured his family back when nobody was able to stop us doing whatever we wanted. Quit the EU and ECHR!" is an argument that'll go down well with the public.
Or maybe it will.

it kinda will

ragfhfgdf terrorist criminals rsgdfgd!!!

[The Archregimancy]

Ok, what the fuck.

Just days ago, he had condemned Boris' similar statement.

No I think you got the wrong end of the stick. He did not say he disagreed from what I have seen he said was that attacking Obama personally was a mistake at that time not saying the Kenyan stuff in the first place. What he is condeming him for is something different.

That was my reading too.

My recollection is that Farage very quickly jumped on the 'Kenya' bandwagon once Johnson started it rolling, and indeed took it slightly further; he was more blunt about it (I almost wrote 'less subtle'; but there was nothing particularly subtle about Johnson's remarks anyway).

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/25/uk-must-leave-european-convention-on-human-rights-theresa-may-eu-referendum

Jesus Christ.

I haven't read the Guardian piece, though a politically-active friend posted it in exasperation. I read the BBC piece, which quoted her as saying that the ECHR adds nothing to our prosperity.

In terms of terrifying political soundbites, that's fucking up there with "for too long we have been a passively tolerant society".

Thing is. She is pushing for this whilst in the EU. I don't think it matters to the EU vote. She won't change her mind if we leave or stay.

To me it entirly depends what a British bill would have in it. But I don't think it any more or less likely to happen in or out the EU.

This is probably as close as we're going to get to an admission that our ECHR status is nothing to do with the EU.

[Vassenor]

So apparently treating Doctors fairly will cause the government to collapse.

[Imperializt Russia]

So apparently treating Doctors fairly will cause the government to collapse.

I reposted that on Facebook.

But, weirdly, Facebook preview changed the title. It merely said "doctor strike will put patients at risk, says Hunt".
I was not pleased since I had to edit the post to explain why I suggested that "some people in government must be throwing out terrorism rhetoric and seeing if it sticks".

[The Huskar Social Union]

So apparently treating Doctors fairly will cause the government to collapse.

Well clearly Junior doctors are just the latest weapon of the Soviet Muslim Socialist Nazi Communist "I was not in the IRA" Gerry Adams IRA campaign to bash Britain!

Or something.

Hang them for Treason!!!!

[Imperializt Russia]

So apparently treating Doctors fairly will cause the government to collapse.

Well clearly Junior doctors are just the latest weapon of the Soviet Muslim Socialist Nazi Communist "I was not in the IRA" Gerry Adams IRA campaign to bash Britain!

Or something.

Hang them for Treason!!!!

Junior doctors are like, most doctors tho :<

Can't we just give them hard labour? Mandatory Friday night A&E duty until 2019 should keep them in line.

[MERIZoC]

Thing is. She is pushing for this whilst in the EU. I don't think it matters to the EU vote. She won't change her mind if we leave or stay.

To me it entirly depends what a British bill would have in it. But I don't think it any more or less likely to happen in or out the EU.

Oh sure. I was more pointing out the fact that terrible human beings are helping in running the country, and the EU vote won't change that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well clearly Junior doctors are just the latest weapon of the Soviet Muslim Socialist Nazi Communist "I was not in the IRA" Gerry Adams IRA campaign to bash Britain!

Or something.

Hang them for Treason!!!!

Junior doctors are like, most doctors tho :<

Can't we just give them hard labour? Mandatory Friday night A&E duty until 2019 should keep them in line.

*Mad Britishness intensifies*

HANNNNNNNNNNNNG THEM I SAYYYYY!

[Salandriagado]

Rather interestingly, I developed a 10-year plan using a mixture of unrestrained of free market economics & calulated government spending which, I believe, would make this country far, far more progressive & efficient than it has been for a long time.
Naturally, there are faults, but I believe that it would work- in theory, anyhow.

Go on then. Give me it. Since you think it'll work in theory, you've presumably run plenty of simulations, and solved (at least computationally), a whole bunch of differential equations, right?

No? Then you don't even understand the question, let alone have a solution for it.

So we're resorting to whataboutism then?

And this is before we get to the government redefining legal poverty to make it look like they reduced the number of people below the line.

'A child is defined as being in poverty when living in a household with an income below 60% of the UK's average.'

This does not necessarily mean that the child lives in 'poverty'.
It means the parents earn a small wage. There is quite a difference.

I spend a significant amount of time helping the children of those families. I can say, with great confidence, that a large proportion of them are missing meals on a regular basis.

[The Nihilistic view]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/25/uk-must-leave-european-convention-on-human-rights-theresa-may-eu-referendum

Jesus Christ.

I haven't read the Guardian piece, though a politically-active friend posted it in exasperation. I read the BBC piece, which quoted her as saying that the ECHR adds nothing to our prosperity.

In terms of terrifying political soundbites, that's fucking up there with "for too long we have been a passively tolerant society".

Thing is. She is pushing for this whilst in the EU. I don't think it matters to the EU vote. She won't change her mind if we leave or stay.

To me it entirly depends what a British bill would have in it. But I don't think it any more or less likely to happen in or out the EU.

This is probably as close as we're going to get to an admission that our ECHR status is nothing to do with the EU.

I don't know, not for the reasons usually said. The EU is party to it now, so can a country actually be in the EU and not be a member of the ECHR. Or is it just cases involving EU laws that could be sent from a country to the ECHR if they left. Or can no cases be sent ever? My guess is the second one at least, anything to do with EU law can still end up in the ECHR. Also would the EU even let a country leave the ECHR? Is it not a condition for joining? Or maybe all members have to be members? I have not looked into it.

There is a difference between the EU and the ECHR not being linked institutionally and one being party to the other and thus affecting it. How it would affect it we need a resident legal mind to enlighten us well at least me about how the UK being in the EU but leaving the ECHR would work in practice.

[Ifreann]

So apparently treating Doctors fairly will cause the government to collapse.

Unions are a threat to national security.

[Imperializt Russia]

The ECHR is not a body of the European Union, as I understand it, it's just that the EU, for obvious reasons, kind of likes the ECHR. Both had, amongst other sentiments, the goal of uniting Europe in the long run to try and heal the wounds of WWII (that is, the Council of Europe which set up the ECHR did).

Good luck trying to explain why the two organisations exist separately though, I gave up reading the wiki.

[Kainesia]

The ECHR is not a body of the European Union, as I understand it, it's just that the EU, for obvious reasons, kind of likes the ECHR. Both had, amongst other sentiments, the goal of uniting Europe in the long run to try and heal the wounds of WWII (that is, the Council of Europe which set up the ECHR did).

Good luck trying to explain why the two organisations exist separately though, I gave up reading the wiki.

The UK signed up to the ECHR and the E.U separately, yes. And while leaving the E.U does not mean we withdraw from the ECHR, I cannot see our membership of that lasting much longer. Hell, it's the power of the European judiciary that enrages conservatives more than the E.U as a legislature half the time.

[Val Halla]

Why are people honking at the people on strike? It's ridiculous. Not their fault they take so much shit

[Frank Zipper]

Why are people honking at the people on strike? It's ridiculous. Not their fault they take so much shit

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but honking is usually a sign that the motorist supports the strikers.

[Val Halla]

Why are people honking at the people on strike? It's ridiculous. Not their fault they take so much shit

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but honking is usually a sign that the motorist supports the strikers.

I don't think the middle fingers some were sticking up supports them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but honking is usually a sign that the motorist supports the strikers.

I don't think the middle fingers some were sticking up supports them.

No, that's true.

But, honking is typically a sign of support.

[Vassenor]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but honking is usually a sign that the motorist supports the strikers.

I don't think the middle fingers some were sticking up supports them.

To be fair, they've only heard the "JDs are evil and want to topple the government" line.

[Val Halla]

I don't think the middle fingers some were sticking up supports them.

To be fair, they've only heard the "JDs are evil and want to topple the government" line.

Also people from this town are kinda twats soooo

[Vassenor]

Besides, it's looking like the Government wants this to be their Miner's Strike.