UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

[Vassenor]

You mean aside from the gear needed to actually hook the plane to the catapult?

Yes, which is a hook below the aircraft. CATOBAR can launch heavier aircraft than CTOL but both can launch much larger aircraft than STOVL. And both are possible (or will shortly be possible).

More a complete replacement of the aircraft's nose gear.

[Questers]

We probably should have rented some harriers of america to operate of HMS Ocean until the new carriers and the f-35s are ready for service.

or maybe just not scrapped all the FA.2s lol

[Questers]

Yes, which is a hook below the aircraft. CATOBAR can launch heavier aircraft than CTOL but both can launch much larger aircraft than STOVL. And both are possible (or will shortly be possible).

More a complete replacement of the aircraft's nose gear.

Shock horror, ordinary aircraft have to replace their nose gear from time to time anyway.

This is actually a major problem for the RAF, since they haven't enough spares quite a lot of airframes have been cannibalised.

[Valaran]

well the whole thing's a mess lol. the navy isn't in a great position and it won't be any time soon imo. the least we could do is produce more astutes and type 45s though. I mean the numbers were slashed pretty heavily...

I think it won't be possible to build type 45 anymore, however, since the assembly lines have all closed down. but astutes are still running I think...

So much this.

[Rufford]

More a complete replacement of the aircraft's nose gear.

Shock horror, ordinary aircraft have to replace their nose gear from time to time anyway.

This is actually a major problem for the RAF, since they haven't enough spares quite a lot of airframes have been cannibalised.

Most of these problems are because of the 2010 strategic defence review.

[Questers]

yep

[Rufford]

Shock horror, ordinary aircraft have to replace their nose gear from time to time anyway.

This is actually a major problem for the RAF, since they haven't enough spares quite a lot of airframes have been cannibalised.

Most of these problems are because of the 2010 strategic defence review.

Thats sort of how politics works in britain now though, one party performs well for a while, ruins the economy and military and the other party comes in to clean up, maybe the EU and carriers will be the collapse of the torys.

[Salandriagado]

Why the fuck would private enterprise fund it? Where's the profit in it?



So you want to avoid undermining growth, while simultaneously massively reducing spending in the areas that most support growth, massively increasing spending in areas (the military) that don't, and implementing one of the most growth-retarding tax policies ever conceived of?

I call it enterprise- that is how I view big charities (really, it was a slip-up on my part!)
And I would help sustain growth by fuelling an unregulated city with as few taxes as possible, helping generate more investment. It is a proven economic tactic.

Where are the charities going to get several orders of magnitude more funding?

[Rufford]

I call it enterprise- that is how I view big charities (really, it was a slip-up on my part!)
And I would help sustain growth by fuelling an unregulated city with as few taxes as possible, helping generate more investment. It is a proven economic tactic.

I can only understand increasing the military massively and cutting growth areas in major wars.

[Salandriagado]

I can only understand increasing the military massively and cutting growth areas in major wars.

I repeat: how are charities going to get orders of magnitude more funding?

[Rufford]

I can only understand increasing the military massively and cutting growth areas in major wars.

I repeat: how are charities going to get orders of magnitude more funding?

No idea.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

This is probably the only time I'll neither challenge you, nor roll my eyes at you over the use of "SJW". You've finally found a target it's valid against.

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

Because she felt it demonised all Muslims. She supported a revised draft.

[Napkiraly]

To be fair though the original version didn't come close to demonising Muslims. I honestly don't see how she could have thought that.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

This is probably the only time I'll neither challenge you, nor roll my eyes at you over the use of "SJW". You've finally found a target it's valid against.

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

Because she felt it demonised all Muslims. She supported a revised draft.

So you think this one is valid, but don't think the other ones were?
I suppose she just materialized out of nowhere and was elected by a bunch of non-SJWs, right?

This particular anti-white, anti-male, anti-western sentiment is rife right now among a certain section of the left wing and they are making inroads. Regressive works just as well to describe them, but the phenomena exists. Would you be likewise dismissive of "tea party" being used as a term?

The difference is purely one of strategy, and i'd argue the regressive strategy is more nefarious.
The tea party demanded a "return" to principles and said the establishment had abandoned them.
The regressives conflate their racist and sexist principles as a continuation of egalitarian principles in order to appropriate the accomplishments of egalitarianism, this is why they don't label themselves as something different. But it's a recognizable ideology.

How would you label these people?

[Valaran]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

I've railed against her enough on here, so I'm in compete agreement.

Kings College London

Represent!

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

I've railed against her enough on here, so I'm in compete agreement.

Kings College London

Represent!

Do you think they'll form their own union, or go unionless?

[Valaran]

Do you think they'll form their own union, or go unionless?

Honestly not sure, and tbf, this is just threats right now (and somewhat spontaneous ones at that). But at the very least, this is bringing the issue to the forefront and showing a decently sized amount of displeasure at the election.

[Napkiraly]

I'd prefer a new union with new rules. I'd say a university going full blown independent would not be wise or safe for that uni.

I'm not surprised UCL sticking in though. Considering the err, controversies surrounding the last election and kerfuffles about BDS here.

[Questers]

This is probably the only time I'll neither challenge you, nor roll my eyes at you over the use of "SJW". You've finally found a target it's valid against.

She likewise refused to support a motion

teh fifth column doesnt exist!!!!!!!!

[Wolfmanne2]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04 ... mmemorati/

Fucking NUS.

[Olivaero]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

Wasn't there some pretty worrying things in the governments counter extremism strategy? Other than that, yeah she seems pretty off the deep end. I'm quite glad I never got into Uni politics tbh.

[Vassenor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

Wasn't there some pretty worrying things in the governments counter extremism strategy? Other than that, yeah she seems pretty off the deep end. I'm quite glad I never got into Uni politics tbh.

You mean the whole "owning more than one mobile phone or questioning government policy makes someone an extremist" stuff?

[Kainesia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36109164

Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Birmingham, York, Exeter, Aberystwyth, and Kings College London
are threatening to split the student union and secede over the election of Ms Bouattia.

Ms Bouattia, to put it bluntly, is an SJW.

She campaigned on the ticket of: "Why Is My Curriculum White?" and she has opposed the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy. She claims Birmingham is a Zionist outpost, and has frequently been accused of anti-semitism.

In a 2014 video from a Gaza and Palestinian Revolution event, she questioned the value of the Middle East peace talks and warned of the influence of "mainstream Zionist-led media outlets".
(That wonderful overlap between "Stormfront or SJW" strikes again.)

She likewise refused to support a motion condemning the Islamic state.

I think that this, in isolation, would not be about to provoke secession from the universities mentioned. It is the latest in a long line of concerning actions by NUS and its descent into SJW politics. I support the secession by these universities.

Wasn't there some pretty worrying things in the governments counter extremism strategy? Other than that, yeah she seems pretty off the deep end. I'm quite glad I never got into Uni politics tbh.

I'm hoping to go to uni next year. (just got to get the grades).

I need to get involved with this and sort this shit out. Bring a bit of common sense to the table.

[Napkiraly]

Wasn't there some pretty worrying things in the governments counter extremism strategy? Other than that, yeah she seems pretty off the deep end. I'm quite glad I never got into Uni politics tbh.

I'm hoping to go to uni next year. (just got to get the grades).

I need to get involved with this and sort this shit out. Bring a bit of common sense to the table.

Speaking from someone who was sort of involved but not really and good friends with people who are

Don't unless you feel like being stressed to hell and back

Fun fact: Friend tried getting UCLU to reduce its debts but they kept on wanting to host shit for stuff that didn't concern students

Got them to agree to keep spending as is so that UCLU doesn't go further into debt but they aren't paying it off either. Most of the services are running at a loss.