UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

[Atlanticatia]

Shit, not pleased.

I really do hope that labour climbs in the polls with corbyn as leader, but I fear that that won't be the case.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I suspect Labour will surge over the next few weeks.

I suspect you're a bad political detective.

Seriously though, because Corbyn won the leadership election, I don't imagine he'll attract Conservatives or UKIPers. A slight surge for Labour may admittedly arise, but I can't see this harming the Tories too much.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Shit, not pleased.

I really do hope that labour climbs in the polls with corbyn as leader, but I fear that that won't be the case.

He won with 59% of the vote. I simply did not see that coming. I expected Corbyn to win a plurality, but holy fuck.

[Val Halla]

I suspect Labour will surge over the next few weeks.

I suspect you're a bad political detective.

Seriously though, because Corbyn won the leadership election, I don't imagine he'll attract Conservatives or UKIPers. A slight surge for Labour may admittedly arise, but I can't see this harming the Tories too much.

I think they need to at least try something different.

[Alyakia]

it's possible. a lot of UKIP voters responded that a labour party with a radical socialist agenda could win an election and be good for the country. it's not entirely out of the question that people might return from what. let's be honest, despite all their protestations is at best a two-issue party.

i hope half of england declares independence so we can just be over with this shit

[Lordieth]

Whatever your views on Jeremy Corbyn, at least the Labour party is going to be interesting again. Ed was as dull as dishwater, and Labour really was just Conservative Lite while he was leader. Corbyn's also no idiot, and it's refreshing to see someone who does their research, and also appears to pragmatic. Something severely lacking in modern politics. Tom Watson as deputy is also a great choice. Smart guy, and very principled. They'll make a good team.

Corbyn is too left-wing for my tastes, but at least Labour will be a clearer opposition under his leadership.

[Alyakia]

I suspect you're a bad political detective.

Seriously though, because Corbyn won the leadership election, I don't imagine he'll attract Conservatives or UKIPers. A slight surge for Labour may admittedly arise, but I can't see this harming the Tories too much.

I think they need to at least try something different.

wait you mean that slowly trying to be more and more like the tories isn't actually working

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I suspect you're a bad political detective.

Seriously though, because Corbyn won the leadership election, I don't imagine he'll attract Conservatives or UKIPers. A slight surge for Labour may admittedly arise, but I can't see this harming the Tories too much.

I think they need to at least try something different.

Labour? Of course. Now, what 'different' path they should've taken is definitely up for debate.

[Dyrrachium]

I think they need to at least try something different.

wait you mean that slowly trying to be more and more like the tories isn't actually working

Their slow slide to the right hasn't done shit but split their voter base.

[Alyakia]

that said corbyn has apparently said he is coming to scotland which should be... interesting

[Hydesland]

it's possible. a lot of UKIP voters responded that a labour party with a radical socialist agenda could win an election and be good for the country.

Source?

[Dyrrachium]

it's possible. a lot of UKIP voters responded that a labour party with a radical socialist agenda could win an election and be good for the country.

Source?

Literally every vox po of ukip voters in the north.

[Wolfmanne2]

Source?

Literally every vox po of ukip voters in the north.

Good for Corbyn.

How does he win people who voted Tory and UKIP in the South/Midlands?

[Val Halla]

I think they need to at least try something different.

wait you mean that slowly trying to be more and more like the tories isn't actually working

Well considering that the election basically Tories vs other Tories...

I think they need to at least try something different.

Labour? Of course. Now, what 'different' path they should've taken is definitely up for debate.

Yeah, but what do you expect? They keep doing the same thing? They aren't that silly.

[Alyakia]

it's possible. a lot of UKIP voters responded that a labour party with a radical socialist agenda could win an election and be good for the country.

Source?

well, people that went from labour to UKIP. it's not unimaginable he could win some of them back.

[Dyrrachium]

Literally every vox po of ukip voters in the north.

Good for Corbyn.

How does he win people who voted Tory and UKIP in the South/Midlands?

The south is meaningless if you can claim the North, Wales and Scotland, along with the inner city London constituencies. You know, the majority of the population and seats.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

wait you mean that slowly trying to be more and more like the tories isn't actually working

Well considering that the election basically Tories vs other Tories...

Labour? Of course. Now, what 'different' path they should've taken is definitely up for debate.

Yeah, but what do you expect? They keep doing the same thing? They aren't that silly.

Labour voters, at least 60% of them, clearly want a more progressive path. I myself may be biased, since I'm staunchly against Corbyn, but I don't believe that Corbyn will attract many voters outside of those who voted for him in the leadership election, along with some random Greens, LibDems, and maybe one or two SNP supporters.

[Alyakia]

Literally every vox po of ukip voters in the north.

Good for Corbyn.

How does he win people who voted Tory and UKIP in the South/Midlands?

he probably won't win most of them but as you probably already know it's possible to win an election even if 65% of the voters at best and 75% of the country at worst doesn't vote for you

[Hydesland]

Source?

well, people that went from labour to UKIP. it's not unimaginable he could win some of them back.

People support UKIP because they're anti immigration and/or want out of the EU, Corbyn is pro EU (although perhaps not as pro as other labour members) and definitely pro immigration. I just can't see it happening, people seem to forget how hugely divisive an issue immigration is, it really is a deal breaker for many.

[St Wilhelm]

Source?

well, people that went from labour to UKIP. it's not unimaginable he could win some of them back.

UKIP hit Labour in the North though, which Labour already have.

[Lordieth]

Well considering that the election basically Tories vs other Tories...


Yeah, but what do you expect? They keep doing the same thing? They aren't that silly.

Labour voters, at least 60% of them, clearly want a more progressive path. I myself may be biased, since I'm staunchly against Corbyn, but I don't believe that Corbyn will attract many voters outside of those who voted for him in the leadership election, along with some random Greens, LibDems, and maybe one or two SNP supporters.

Don't underestimate his charisma. I don't agree some of his views, but even I'm impressed by how well he carries himself. It's how he says it, not just what he says, and I think that's what will win back voters. Tony Blair was a charismatic party leader, after all, and I'm not exactly his biggest fan.

[Dyrrachium]

well, people that went from labour to UKIP. it's not unimaginable he could win some of them back.

People support UKIP because they're anti immigration and/or want out of the EU, Corbyn is pro EU (although perhaps not as pro as other labour members) and definitely pro immigration. I just can't see it happening, people seem to forget how hugely divisive an issue immigration is, it really is a deal breaker for many.

Actually a lot of people supported UKIP because they were drawn in by the popularism. They want it as a real alternative to two shades of blue. No coincidence that UKIP's colouring is Purple.

[Wolfmanne2]

Good for Corbyn.

How does he win people who voted Tory and UKIP in the South/Midlands?

The south is meaningless if you can claim the North, Wales and Scotland, along with the inner city London constituencies. You know, the majority of the population and seats.

Why would anyone switch from a very united and strong SNP to a weak and dysfunctional Labour Party?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Labour voters, at least 60% of them, clearly want a more progressive path. I myself may be biased, since I'm staunchly against Corbyn, but I don't believe that Corbyn will attract many voters outside of those who voted for him in the leadership election, along with some random Greens, LibDems, and maybe one or two SNP supporters.

Don't underestimate his charisma. I don't agree some of his views, but even I'm impressed by how well he carries himself. It's how he says it, not just what he says, and I think that's what will win back voters. Tony Blair was a charismatic party leader, after all, and I'm not exactly his biggest fan.

See, Corbyn definitely is unique to many voters, but I don't see a lot of charisma so to speak. I've discussed this before, but his speaking style seems rather...drab. I don't know, maybe I'm just biased.

[Val Halla]

If Corbyn becomes PM, I wanna see him in chestwaders...