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by Idzequitch » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:37 pm

by Idzequitch » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:38 pm

by Super-Llamaland » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:25 pm

by Gim » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:48 pm

by Idzequitch » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:55 pm
Gim wrote:Super-Llamaland wrote:
Uh
1. His WAR is 0.3 after six games. Obviously that's going to go up. Look at a season in which he's batted more than twenty times
2. WAR includes defense...?
Exactly. WAR only takes into account the offensive merits of a MLB player. It completely ignores his defensive merits. Although Daniel Murphy may be average in terms of offense, he nevertheless lacks defensive technique, thus making him less worth than the contract value, although given his lackluster defense, he should be paid even less.

by Gim » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:01 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Gim wrote:
Exactly. WAR only takes into account the offensive merits of a MLB player. It completely ignores his defensive merits. Although Daniel Murphy may be average in terms of offense, he nevertheless lacks defensive technique, thus making him less worth than the contract value, although given his lackluster defense, he should be paid even less.
Defense is important, I'll admit, but I'd rather have a good offensive player who struggles on defense than a good defensive player who struggles on offense. For example, I used to get frustrated to no end with the Cardinal insistence in putting Pete Kozma into the lineup. The guy was a great defensive shortstop, but his batting average was consistently about .200 or lower. He made some defensive plays, but he could put an end to the Cardinals' scoring chances almost as fast as a pitcher.

by Idzequitch » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:08 pm
Gim wrote:Idzequitch wrote:Defense is important, I'll admit, but I'd rather have a good offensive player who struggles on defense than a good defensive player who struggles on offense. For example, I used to get frustrated to no end with the Cardinal insistence in putting Pete Kozma into the lineup. The guy was a great defensive shortstop, but his batting average was consistently about .200 or lower. He made some defensive plays, but he could put an end to the Cardinals' scoring chances almost as fast as a pitcher.
Offense is important; however, nowadays in MLB, you see many well-rounded players, or players who are adept at both offense and defense. You see Yoenis Cespedes of the Mets hitting single and doubles often as well as making long-throw outs from the outfield. In fact, Jake Arrieta can hit home runs, while pitching like a Cy Young winner. Murphy could have been known as a highly offensive, thus a skillful player about thirty or forty years ago, but, nowadays, there are just so many well-rounded players that players like him should be excluded, not to mention be given a much cheaper contract.

by Gim » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:18 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Gim wrote:
Offense is important; however, nowadays in MLB, you see many well-rounded players, or players who are adept at both offense and defense. You see Yoenis Cespedes of the Mets hitting single and doubles often as well as making long-throw outs from the outfield. In fact, Jake Arrieta can hit home runs, while pitching like a Cy Young winner. Murphy could have been known as a highly offensive, thus a skillful player about thirty or forty years ago, but, nowadays, there are just so many well-rounded players that players like him should be excluded, not to mention be given a much cheaper contract.
You've made your position clear. I'm not saying he deserves the contract he got. (Honestly I haven't looked at it, so I have no opinion.) Even though it's a long game, runs can sometimes be hard to come by, especially if your team doesn't hit a lot of homers. I'd rather have the guy who can potentially keep an inning going than the guy who can potentially end it with solid defense. That's just my view.

by Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:51 am
Gim wrote:Idzequitch wrote:You've made your position clear. I'm not saying he deserves the contract he got. (Honestly I haven't looked at it, so I have no opinion.) Even though it's a long game, runs can sometimes be hard to come by, especially if your team doesn't hit a lot of homers. I'd rather have the guy who can potentially keep an inning going than the guy who can potentially end it with solid defense. That's just my view.
I respect the fact that, if you were to choose between a highly offensive player and a highly defensive player, you would choose the highly offensive player. Although, as much as I like offense, I would not like to see a player produce a few points and then have his opponents make a comeback, just because he makes crucial, defensive errors.

by Gim » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:10 am
Outer Sparta wrote:Gim wrote:
I respect the fact that, if you were to choose between a highly offensive player and a highly defensive player, you would choose the highly offensive player. Although, as much as I like offense, I would not like to see a player produce a few points and then have his opponents make a comeback, just because he makes crucial, defensive errors.
I'd prefer a balance in both offensive and defensive skills, a player like Dee Gordon.

by Pope Joan » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:41 am

by Gim » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:49 am
Pope Joan wrote:Is anybody else sick and tired of hearing salary gossip? I don't care about that.
Tell about achievement, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
I don't crave gossip.

by Idzequitch » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:03 pm

by Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:12 pm

by Idzequitch » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:13 pm

by Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:16 pm

by Idzequitch » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:17 pm
Pope Joan wrote:Is anybody else sick and tired of hearing salary gossip? I don't care about that.
Tell about achievement, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
I don't crave gossip.

by Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:19 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:He gets paid $16 million. That is even less than Tanaka's, and Sanchez is the No. 3 starter.Pope Joan wrote:Is anybody else sick and tired of hearing salary gossip? I don't care about that.
Tell about achievement, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
I don't crave gossip.

by Idzequitch » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:22 pm
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