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Postby Billugslovakc » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:33 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:"Black land"

Source.

A minute on Google yields the following:

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/ses ... ent-egypt/


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Arcturus Novus wrote:This OP is making me want to die. Not following the (actually very shaky) idea of afrocentricism does not make one racist. And why the hell would Mary and Jesus be black if they were from Judea? They were ethnically Jewish.


An old name for Egypt was Kem'et (km.t). It literally means "black". Though that can also be interpreted to mean fertile, "black" soil, corresponding with the ancient Egyptian Black Land/Red Land. It's possible that ancient Egyptians were black pre-Arabian invasions and pre-Ptolemy but we have no real way of knowing this.


How about their own paintings?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... se_002.jpg


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Postby Equatorial Empire » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:33 pm

Arana wrote:
Equatorial Empire wrote:A minute on Google yields the following:

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/ses ... ent-egypt/

Another on wikipedia yields a much better answer:

The ancient Egyptian name of the country was (Couldn't register the symbols), which means black ground or black soil, referring to the fertile black soils of the Nile flood plains, distinct from the deshret (⟨dšṛt⟩), or "red land" of the desert.[20] This name is commonly vocalised as Kemet, but was probably pronounced [kuːmat] in ancient Egyptian.[21] The name is realised as kēme and kēmə in the Coptic stage of the Egyptian language, and appeared in early Greek as Χημία (Khēmía).[22] Another name was ⟨tꜣ-mry⟩ "land of the riverbank".[23] The names of Upper and Lower Egypt were Ta-Sheme'aw (⟨tꜣ-šmꜥw⟩) "sedgeland" and Ta-Mehew (⟨tꜣ mḥw⟩) "northland", respectively.

Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...

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Postby NeuPolska » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Nordonovik wrote:Hold your suspense, it gets even better with such fantastical claims in history as:

* That black Egyptians (Nubians) constructed all of the pyramids through telekinesis, had the power to fly and and harnessed electricity
* Claiming the ancient Kenyans had calculated the speed of light
* That Africans traveled to the Aztec Empire and enlightened them
* That the Romans and Greeks were taught everything they knew by Sub-Saharan Africans

The bolded gave me a good laugh with the way it was worded :lol2:

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:35 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
Arana wrote:Another on wikipedia yields a much better answer:


Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...


Lots of what history? No-ones claims that Egyptians were white, nor Jesus, nor Ockham, whoever the fuck that is. You're claim is that, because these figures are important, that they must be black.
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Postby Arana » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:35 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
Arana wrote:Another on wikipedia yields a much better answer:


Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...

...are you an idiot? By ockham's razor, Greenland is full of fertile, lush plains and meadows.
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Postby Rock Lobsters » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
Arana wrote:Another on wikipedia yields a much better answer:


Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...

..What?
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Postby Billugslovakc » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

This is more entertaining that some of the Tumblr flame threads and 4chan green text threads i have red in my day. :clap: :rofl:

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Arana wrote:
Equatorial Empire wrote:Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...

...are you an idiot? By ockham's razor, Greenland is full of fertile, lush plains and meadows.


And has a large population.

And global relevance.
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Postby Free Wexford » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

The only sources I can find to support your claims are from poorly made sites solely devoted to decrying everything a white lie. You are literally as insane as a tankie.
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Postby The Hoplitian People » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Equatorial Empire wrote:Lots of history has been whitewashed. Wikipedia isn't always the most fair and reliable source. T says that Egypt was called that because of its soil but where is the proof? If someone calls themselves black nation then by ockhams razor it is reasonable to say it's because of their rwce. Especially with other evidence of Egyptian's blackness like the wide African noses on their statues that were often cut off and sometimes even replaced with whit looking noses by museums...


Lots of what history? No-ones claims that Egyptians were white, nor Jesus, nor Ockham, whoever the fuck that is. You're claim is that, because these figures are important, that they must be black.

Ockham was white.
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Postby Equatorial Empire » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Billugslovakc wrote:
Equatorial Empire wrote:A minute on Google yields the following:

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/ses ... ent-egypt/


MRWImage

Salus Maior wrote:
How about their own paintings?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... se_002.jpg


Image A massive win in the fight against ignorance

So in those pictures they have dark skin and "African" hair? Looks black to me.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:This OP is making me want to die. Not following the (actually very shaky) idea of afrocentricism does not make one racist. And why the hell would Mary and Jesus be black if they were from Judea? They were ethnically Jewish.


An old name for Egypt was Kem'et (km.t). It literally means "black". Though that can also be interpreted to mean fertile, "black" soil, corresponding with the ancient Egyptian Black Land/Red Land. It's possible that ancient Egyptians were black pre-Arabian invasions and pre-Ptolemy but we have no real way of knowing this.


How about their own paintings?

Image


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... se_002.jpg

In which I forget about ancient Egyptian art being a thing.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Ahh...a blog. How do I laugh at thee? Let me count the ways:
Equatorial Empire wrote:So it turns out that the "normal" way of seeing history is full of racist propaganda.

[citation needed]
Many people from the ancient world, such as ancient Egyptians, ancient Greek philosophers, the virgin Mary, Jesus Christ, the people who brought Europe out of the dark ages and taught them how to wash hands and not be dirty, and many others were black or used the intellectual work of black people. By not teaching this reality, schools are perpetuating racism and white supremacy.

If people don't know that Egypt is in Africa, I doubt there is any hope for them to appreciate the contributions of ancient and medieval Africans. Also, Palestine/Israel isn't African.
People need to be taught that what we today associate with "white civilization" is in fact the work of black people.

So...the whites of ancient Greece and Rome had nothing to do with the development of the European West? Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Hippocrates?
Every day whites who stole the ideas of blacks, such as Elvis Presley, are glorified.

Every day, people laugh at Elvis Presley impersonators.
We put slave-owners on our money.

So...ignore all the contributions of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?
Our discourse about the past is owned by the white man, but is built on the stolen labor and land of people of color.

Umm...what?
However if we could change our discourse it could lead to black people finally getting the recognition they deserve, and stop the whites from stealing everything and taking all the credit.

I agree. Africans and African-Americans have been underappreciated and deserve recognition for their significant contributions.
So are you Afro-centric or racist?

So...there isn't an option to not be racist? You do realize glorifying African culture and shutting ourselves out from study of all others is just as racist as glorifying white culture and shutting ourselves out from African culture, right?

Voted "racist", since that is what you consider treating all races equally.
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Postby Rock Lobsters » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
Billugslovakc wrote:
MRW(Image)



(Image) A massive win in the fight against ignorance

So in those pictures they have dark skin and "African" hair? Looks black to me.

Now your just trolling me
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Postby Cybraxia » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:38 pm

I'm honestly surprised this thread has lived this long. In my opinion, OP is either a troll or so deluded that they don't know what an unbiased source is.

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:38 pm

The Hoplitian People wrote:
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Lots of what history? No-ones claims that Egyptians were white, nor Jesus, nor Ockham, whoever the fuck that is. You're claim is that, because these figures are important, that they must be black.

Ockham was white.


'Twas a joke.

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Salus Maior wrote:
How about their own paintings?

Image


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... se_002.jpg

In which I forget about ancient Egyptian art being a thing.


By OP's estimation, all Egyptians walk sideways, since That's what the fucking art shows.
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Postby Equatorial Empire » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:39 pm

The Hoplitian People wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Lots of what history? No-ones claims that Egyptians were white, nor Jesus, nor Ockham, whoever the fuck that is. You're claim is that, because these figures are important, that they must be black.

Ockham was white.

But philosophy is a black invention.

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Postby Turkiistan » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:39 pm

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Turkiistan wrote:Actually you need Female gentials to be a Female. That's why your called Female. Thanks for calling me a bigot out of the blue.

Go back to stormfront!

I am sorry to say I'm not apart of Stormfront. Where are you getting these remarks from?

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Postby Billugslovakc » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:39 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
Billugslovakc wrote:
MRW(Image)



(Image) A massive win in the fight against ignorance

So in those pictures they have dark skin and "African" hair? Looks black to me.


Image Okay, i think we have a troll on our hands, good job buddy.
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Postby Free Wexford » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:39 pm

How is this even a person?
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:40 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
The Hoplitian People wrote:Ockham was white.

But philosophy is a black invention.


As is the Internet, meaning that Al Gore was almost the first black POTUS.
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Postby Turkiistan » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:40 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
The Hoplitian People wrote:Ockham was white.

But philosophy is a black invention.

How does one invent philosophy?

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:40 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
The Hoplitian People wrote:Ockham was white.

But philosophy is a black invention.

Check this out.
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Postby Arana » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:41 pm

Turkiistan wrote:
Equatorial Empire wrote:But philosophy is a black invention.

How does one invent philosophy?

Is that, in and of itself, a philosophical question?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:41 pm

Equatorial Empire wrote:
The Hoplitian People wrote:Ockham was white.

But philosophy is a black invention.

Source? Also, how the fuck do you invent philosophy?
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