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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:06 pm

Al-Orthodoxia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I doubt Abraham was real too.

Plot twist

Abraham is Ibrahim.


He prefers to be called Abe.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:54 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:Noah is a myth but Ibraham is real?

Why wouldn't he be real? The only really arguable things about his life is if he truly was a prophet of God. Him not existing would really create doubts as to the validity of all Abrahamic religions, as well as who founded Judaism.


Moses founded Judaism. Abraham was kinda the precursor to Judaism.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:23 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Why wouldn't he be real? The only really arguable things about his life is if he truly was a prophet of God. Him not existing would really create doubts as to the validity of all Abrahamic religions, as well as who founded Judaism.


Moses founded Judaism. Abraham was kinda the precursor to Judaism.


Neither of whom can be definitively said to have actually existed.

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:35 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Why wouldn't he be real? The only really arguable things about his life is if he truly was a prophet of God. Him not existing would really create doubts as to the validity of all Abrahamic religions, as well as who founded Judaism.


Moses founded Judaism. Abraham was kinda the precursor to Judaism.

Founder to Yahwism, and Precursor of Yahwism actually.

The captivity of Judah allowed the foundation of Judaism.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:36 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Moses founded Judaism. Abraham was kinda the precursor to Judaism.


Neither of whom can be definitively said to have actually existed.

Neither of whom could have the definitive outcome the destruction of the First Temple, and Yahwism's transcendence to an international faith under Judaism more so than the Neo-Babylonian empire did.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:14 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Neither of whom can be definitively said to have actually existed.

Neither of whom could have the definitive outcome the destruction of the First Temple, and Yahwism's transcendence to an international faith under Judaism more so than the Neo-Babylonian empire did.

I've read this over several times, and I'm not convinced that this is actually a coherent thought.
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Postby Gim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:23 pm

McArthur's over-advancement into Amrok River during Korean War.
Had he rested and settled boundaries just below the river, South Korea would have received a much larger territory, thus more resources.
Thanks to him, North Korea exists with considerable territory and is currently a threat around the globe.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:58 pm

Gim wrote:McArthur's over-advancement into Amrok River during Korean War.
Had he rested and settled boundaries just below the river, South Korea would have received a much larger territory, thus more resources.
Thanks to him, North Korea exists with considerable territory and is currently a threat around the globe.

I find it baffling that, of all the things you could do that could conceivably alter the course of that war in South Korea's favor, you pick this.

I mean, you realize you could stop the Chinese from intervening here, right? End the war with the North's certain crushing defeat. Ah, but I suppose that option doesn't allow you to be an armchair general, does it?
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:40 am

Gim wrote:McArthur's over-advancement into Amrok River during Korean War.
Had he rested and settled boundaries just below the river, South Korea would have received a much larger territory, thus more resources.
Thanks to him, North Korea exists with considerable territory and is currently a threat around the globe.

How is North Korea a global threat?
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Postby Apollinis » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:48 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Neither of whom could have the definitive outcome the destruction of the First Temple, and Yahwism's transcendence to an international faith under Judaism more so than the Neo-Babylonian empire did.

I've read this over several times, and I'm not convinced that this is actually a coherent thought.

It's an entirely coherent thought, whether or not you actually agree with it. It is, in slightly less convoluted syntax, "The Neo-Bablyonian Empire's destruction of the First Temple [if the First Temple existed] and deportation of the Jews to Babylon was a more definitive and important event/outcome, having as its consequence the emergence of Judaism from Yahwism, than the impact of two men who might well not have actually existed".
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Postby Walang » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:52 am

That there wasn't any effective anti-propaganda against the concept of wealth during the neolithic and chalcolithic.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:27 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Neither of whom could have the definitive outcome the destruction of the First Temple, and Yahwism's transcendence to an international faith under Judaism more so than the Neo-Babylonian empire did.

I've read this over several times, and I'm not convinced that this is actually a coherent thought.

How exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:31 am

Gim wrote:McArthur's over-advancement into Amrok River during Korean War.
Had he rested and settled boundaries just below the river, South Korea would have received a much larger territory, thus more resources.
Thanks to him, North Korea exists with considerable territory and is currently a threat around the globe.

> You could have just overlooked the pro-Korean language and call it "Yalu" so everyone can understand without Google.
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Postby The Hoplitian People » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:25 pm

The Protestant movement; I would protest The Catholic Church, but not break away.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:04 pm

The Hoplitian People wrote:The Protestant movement; I would protest The Catholic Church, but not break away.


Then Western Europe can be united in its religious hatred of those pesky Orthodox in the East, those menacing Mahometan Moors, Turks, and Saracens in the South and South East, the Cathars, and whatever other heresy props up that needs a good lickin'.

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Postby Renewed Dissonance » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:24 pm

I'd go all the way back and re-bury that damned monolith before it was too late.
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:30 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
The Hoplitian People wrote:The Protestant movement; I would protest The Catholic Church, but not break away.


Then Western Europe can be united in its religious hatred of those pesky Orthodox in the East, those menacing Mahometan Moors, Turks, and Saracens in the South and South East, the Cathars, and whatever other heresy props up that needs a good lickin'.


If you wanna go back further, you could stop the Great Schism.

Or you could kill Paul of Tarsus, hehehehe...
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:32 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Then Western Europe can be united in its religious hatred of those pesky Orthodox in the East, those menacing Mahometan Moors, Turks, and Saracens in the South and South East, the Cathars, and whatever other heresy props up that needs a good lickin'.


If you wanna go back further, you could stop the Great Schism.

Or you could kill Paul of Tarsus, hehehehe...

Better yet just prevent the formation of Rome, and Constantinople as two opposing patriarchs in order to preserve the unity of Chalcedonian Christianity.

*It worked for me on Crusader Kings 2 (Ck2plus).
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:18 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
If you wanna go back further, you could stop the Great Schism.

Or you could kill Paul of Tarsus, hehehehe...

Better yet just prevent the formation of Rome, and Constantinople as two opposing patriarchs in order to preserve the unity of Chalcedonian Christianity.

*It worked for me on Crusader Kings 2 (Ck2plus).


b-but then Christianity still becomes an imperialist religion under Paul and later assimilated Romans :-/
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:35 pm

Meryuma wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Better yet just prevent the formation of Rome, and Constantinople as two opposing patriarchs in order to preserve the unity of Chalcedonian Christianity.

*It worked for me on Crusader Kings 2 (Ck2plus).


b-but then Christianity still becomes an imperialist religion under Paul and later assimilated Romans :-/

You could always make the heresies much more successful since many of them had legitimate complaints.

The Waldensians, and Fraticelli being prime examples.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:39 pm

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:44 pm

Meryuma wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Better yet just prevent the formation of Rome, and Constantinople as two opposing patriarchs in order to preserve the unity of Chalcedonian Christianity.

*It worked for me on Crusader Kings 2 (Ck2plus).


b-but then Christianity still becomes an imperialist religion under Paul and later assimilated Romans :-/


Lol, "imperialist religion"....How is Christianity peacefully becoming popular in Rome imperialist? (accepting that Christianity would later have violent clashes with polytheists in Theodosius's rule, but then again, the polytheists also unfairly persecuted Christians as well before it was protected by Constantine) And frankly, Christianity improved Roman culture. Banned blood sports, stated the inherent equality of slaves and non-slaves.... Christianity actually did a lot of good, surprisingly enough.
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I'd make it so that the Nationstates Feminist Thread wasn't ever created.
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Postby Gim » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:03 pm

The Hoplitian People wrote:The Protestant movement; I would protest The Catholic Church, but not break away.


I think if you somehow eliminate Martin Luther, your wish would come to fruition. :)
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:01 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I'd make it so that the Nationstates Feminist Thread wasn't ever created.

Can you prove the Feminist Thread historically even existed first?
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