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Newne Carriebean7
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:26 pm

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Newne Carriebean7 wrote:I'd make the British empire grow and colonize all of africa, most of asia, south america ( in an alternate war with Spain in 1740.) and have canada be an american puppet.

Any reason why?

I don't want Spain to become a world power ( though they already were one)
I want English to be the most spoken language, ( might've already been, not too sure..)
and I just admire the British and I would have the french try to take over Holland in a war like the Spanish succession, and have the British make Holland a puppet until they rise up in 1840 ( or earlier thanks to napoleon)
I just really want the british empire to stay a global power. or maybe James I of Scotland could invade and take over Norway from Sweden, and form the Scottish Norwegian union.
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Ex-Nation

Postby KirbyFluffle » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:25 pm

I wouldn't change much. Perhaps eliminate certain religions.
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Postby MC United » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:30 pm

5th century AD: The Roman Empire conquers and Christianizes Arabia. No Islam. No Dark Ages. No ISIS. Better world.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:30 pm

I'd alter the evolution of the English language until it resembled High Imperial.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:39 pm

The only real change I would want to do would probably be to prevent the rise of Christian fundamentalism in the US.

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Postby Redsection » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:44 pm

Arm bothsides of the war between the states with ww2 style weapons,just for one hell of a show,i would also gift rommel to the confederates,and degaule to the union.
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:00 am

MC United wrote:5th century AD: The Roman Empire conquers and Christianizes Arabia. No Islam. No Dark Ages. No ISIS. Better world.

"No Dark Ages"?

That is an incredibly foolish thing to say. It was the European Christians that suffered the Dark Ages while Islam experienced a scientific and cultural golden age.

And eliminating Islam would not make the world "better".
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Incredible Bums » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:12 am

I´d prevent Flavius Valerius Constantinus (Constantin I.) from making Christianity the official and compulsory religion in the Roman empire.

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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:16 am

Incredible Bums wrote:I´d prevent Flavius Valerius Constantinus (Constantin I.) from making Christianity the official and compulsory religion in the Roman empire.

He didn't make it comulsory. State religion does not automatically equal a required conversion.
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Postby Tequillistador » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:29 am

Have Cicero accept Caeser's invitation to join the Triumvarite and convince them to restore the Republic causing a tidal wave of reform such that his son, along with other reformers like Cato bring about political and economic change for the Senate and People of Rome/ Humans make it to the moon by 2000 AUC (1247 AD) for the Bimillenial celebration. Romantic hogwash, but it would make a great science fiction story. :p
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Postby Artzstotska II » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:31 am

Count Thurisaz wrote:The Christianization of the Earth. I'd make it never happen.

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:57 am

The Wolven League wrote:
MC United wrote:5th century AD: The Roman Empire conquers and Christianizes Arabia. No Islam. No Dark Ages. No ISIS. Better world.

"No Dark Ages"?

That is an incredibly foolish thing to say. It was the European Christians that suffered the Dark Ages while Islam experienced a scientific and cultural golden age.

And eliminating Islam would not make the world "better".

Historians will tell you that the Dark Ages are a myth that came out of the enlightenment.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:22 am

Count Thurisaz wrote:The Christianization of the Earth. I'd make it never happen.


Considering a good portion of the Earth is not Christian, then your wish has come true.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Incredible Bums » Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:26 am

The Wolven League wrote:
Incredible Bums wrote:I´d prevent Flavius Valerius Constantinus (Constantin I.) from making Christianity the official and compulsory religion in the Roman empire.

He didn't make it comulsory. State religion does not automatically equal a required conversion.

...would be enough to prevent a major part of the world from the dominance and tyranny of the catholic church over twothousand years; maybe would have prevented from "islam" too, because it maybe wouldn´t have developed when there were no "monotheistic majority" to copy from...

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Postby Al-Orthodoxia » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:12 am

To change history is throwing mankind in the abyss. No matter how gruesome one thing may be in history, by changing it you can throw it into something even more gruesome.
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Postby Apollinis » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:13 am

Incredible Bums wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:He didn't make it comulsory. State religion does not automatically equal a required conversion.

...would be enough to prevent a major part of the world from the dominance and tyranny of the catholic church over twothousand years;

Oh spare me. The Dan Brown thread's over there, mate.

maybe would have prevented from "islam" too, because it maybe wouldn´t have developed when there were no "monotheistic majority" to copy from...

Non-Christian monotheism in various forms (chiefly Judaism and Zoroastrianism) was already established in the Middle East at the time of Islam. You might end up with a slightly different flavour of it, but (AFAIK) it owes considerably more to Judaism than to Christianity.
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Postby The United Nations of New Mali » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:24 am

I'd help the Mali Empire discover the Americas.

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Postby Aelex » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:57 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:"No Dark Ages"?

That is an incredibly foolish thing to say. It was the European Christians that suffered the Dark Ages while Islam experienced a scientific and cultural golden age.

And eliminating Islam would not make the world "better".

Historians will tell you that the Dark Ages are a myth that came out of the enlightenment.

Well, we need to separate this in two point. Culture and economy.

Culturally speaking, yes and no in the same time. While European culture as a whole suffered a lot, it wasn't so much because of the Islam than of the fall of the western roman empire and the increased regionalism/localism which ensued. I would add that the barbarians, even if willing to "civilize" and adapt to the roman culture, were for most part the responsible of it, even before the actual fall of the Empire.
Now, given that Europe experienced two "proto-Renaissance" in the 8th and 12th century, it would also be stupid than to say that it was an age of regression.
So, the bilan is quite mitigated but could be summed up to the fact that while the Middle Age was quite "static" it also experienced some burst culturally and technologically talking even if they were punctual.

Now economically speaking, Europe indeed faced a Crisis and had to withdraw in itself because of the Muslims Invasions which fucked up completely the whole trade in the Mediterranea, transforming what was nothing more than a peaceful lake into a total war-zone.
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Postby Myown » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:59 am

Keep Alexander the Great alive so that by the time he is an aged octogenerian he could stand on the shores of Japan and weep that there were no more worlds to conquer. The Mediterranean, Levant, and Asian continent unified by one language with the platonic and aristotlean seeds of science, and technology sown in numerous cultures and peoples adding to their distinctiveness. Trade and markets flourishing without merchant caravaner middlemen hiding the knowledge between the east and west for their own profit.
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Postby Obexer » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:56 pm

Myown wrote:Keep Alexander the Great alive so that by the time he is an aged octogenerian he could stand on the shores of Japan and weep that there were no more worlds to conquer. The Mediterranean, Levant, and Asian continent unified by one language with the platonic and aristotlean seeds of science, and technology sown in numerous cultures and peoples adding to their distinctiveness. Trade and markets flourishing without merchant caravaner middlemen hiding the knowledge between the east and west for their own profit.

Oh yes. Ignore North America, South America, Africa, and the many islands scattered across the Pacific. And the fact that it would fall apart at the seams even if he were still alive.
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:23 pm

MC United wrote:5th century AD: The Roman Empire conquers and Christianizes Arabia. No Islam. No Dark Ages. No ISIS. Better world.

The Dark Ages weren't caused by Islam or the Arabs. In-fact, the Islamic Golden Age helped end the Dark Ages in Europe when the work of the Golden Age Muslims was translated and disseminated through Europe. (It's due to this that we use "Arabic" numerals instead of Roman numerals.)
The Dark Ages were the result of the collapse of Western Rome.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:26 pm

Myown wrote:Keep Alexander the Great alive so that by the time he is an aged octogenerian he could stand on the shores of Japan and weep that there were no more worlds to conquer. The Mediterranean, Levant, and Asian continent unified by one language with the platonic and aristotlean seeds of science, and technology sown in numerous cultures and peoples adding to their distinctiveness. Trade and markets flourishing without merchant caravaner middlemen hiding the knowledge between the east and west for their own profit.

A Hellenised Far East would be weird.

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Postby Yankee Commonwealth » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:39 pm

>In 1958, cold fusion is perfected and is possible on the microlevel
>Lyndon Johnson, Ted Kennedy, and the Beatles all die in mysterious, unrelated accidents
>No Vietnam War, no immigration, no hippie crap, no counterculture, more toned-down civil rights
>John F. Kennedy leads America to the Moon on a nuclear rocket in 1965
>The 1960s prove to be one of the greatest, most prosperous and stable times in American history
>George Wallace serves one term from 1968-1972
>Reagan wins in '72
>America goes to Mars in '72
>The Soviet Union simply cannot compete with a fusion-powered America, is starting to crumble
>Starting in 1980, US Hockey goes to kick the ever-loving shit out everyone in the Olympics
>Canada is annexed by '85
>It's 1990, Republican Bill Clinton in charge
>All of Eastern Europe except for Russia is in NATO
>OJ Simpson is guilty as charged
>Pat Buchanan wins in '96, serves until '04
>Cold fusion is now applied to everything. Climate change is a thing of the past
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Fast-forward to 2015

Donald Trump is president, with his VP Arnold Schwarzenegger. America is still 90% white (because the 1965 immigration act never happened). America is colonizing Mars. All of Europe uses the dollar. America has zero pollution. China is a democracy.


Also cocaine gets legalized in 1986.
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:41 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Myown wrote:Keep Alexander the Great alive so that by the time he is an aged octogenerian he could stand on the shores of Japan and weep that there were no more worlds to conquer. The Mediterranean, Levant, and Asian continent unified by one language with the platonic and aristotlean seeds of science, and technology sown in numerous cultures and peoples adding to their distinctiveness. Trade and markets flourishing without merchant caravaner middlemen hiding the knowledge between the east and west for their own profit.

A Hellenised Far East would be weird.

Actually, Buddhism was heavily influenced by the Hellenistic Baktrians in India. That's where we get the iconic Buddha statue from- Greek Buddhists.
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Postby Jochistan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:45 pm

MC United wrote:5th century AD: The Roman Empire conquers and Christianizes Arabia. No Islam. No Dark Ages. No ISIS. Better world.

Lol.

That would end the Dark ages? Or anything like ISIS happening in the modern world?

You would still have ISIS-like groups. the only difference would be that they would be Christians.

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