What would you change about history?

[Conscentia]

Pax Romana and Pax Mongolica would appear to indicate otherwise.

Given how large Carthage was I have my doubts that Carthage wasn't interested in expansion.

Pax Romana only existed within the borders, and not even then at several points.
Pushing people out of their lands tends to make enemies.

And I didn't mean to imply that Carthage had zero interest in expansion, just that they didn't have the 'Expand or Die' mentality that the Romans have, especially after the Marius reforms started promised citizenship and land for service in the Legion, at that point the Romans HAD to keep expanding or everything would break down, which is exactly what happened in the end.

Their borders extended far enough to connect their internal trade to the silk road and Indian Ocean trade.
Pushing? It was my understanding that the Romans preferred to subsume the peoples they conquered.

The Roman Empire didn't do much expanding for the majority of it's history. Most of the expanding was done in it's first 80 years of existence.

[New Deutsch Europa]

I´d like to what happened if Native Americans found and colonized Europe first.

[Conscentia]

I´d like to what happened if Native Americans found and colonized Europe first.

You'd have to do some serious history re-engineering to make an essentially bronze age civilisation successfully initiate and maintain trans-Atlantic colonisation.

[Protestant England and Germany]

I'd prevent the Rwandan Genocide

[Genivaria]

Pax Romana only existed within the borders, and not even then at several points.
Pushing people out of their lands tends to make enemies.

And I didn't mean to imply that Carthage had zero interest in expansion, just that they didn't have the 'Expand or Die' mentality that the Romans have, especially after the Marius reforms started promised citizenship and land for service in the Legion, at that point the Romans HAD to keep expanding or everything would break down, which is exactly what happened in the end.

Their borders extended far enough to connect their internal trade to the silk road and Indian Ocean trade.
Pushing? It was my understanding that the Romans preferred to subsume the peoples they conquered.

The Roman Empire didn't do much expanding for the majority of it's history. Most of the expanding was done in it's first 80 years of existence.

And after it stopped expanding it started to slowly rot.
Eventually everyone was declared a citizen, combine that with no new land to give as a reward and there's really not as much incentive to enlist in the legion.
Thus they had to start relying on foreign mercenaries which opened up a whole host of other problems least of which is professional and experienced soldiers existing who were not necessarily loyal to Rome.

[The Krogan]

I'd change my own history so that the current outcome would be something more to my liking.

[Clydonia]

prevent the holocaust.

[Clydonia]

prevent the holocaust.

[Conscentia]

Their borders extended far enough to connect their internal trade to the silk road and Indian Ocean trade.
Pushing? It was my understanding that the Romans preferred to subsume the peoples they conquered.

The Roman Empire didn't do much expanding for the majority of it's history. Most of the expanding was done in it's first 80 years of existence.

And after it stopped expanding it started to slowly rot.
Eventually everyone was declared a citizen, combine that with no new land to give as a reward and there's really not as much incentive to enlist in the legion.
Thus they had to start relying on foreign mercenaries which opened up a whole host of other problems least of which is professional and experienced soldiers existing who were not necessarily loyal to Rome.

Slowly indeed. The Roman Empire was very long lived.
What makes you think the Carthaginian republic would've persisted even nearly as long? It's not like Carthage didn't have enemies besides Rome or like thalassocracies are super stable.

[Conscentia]

I'd prevent the Rwandan Genocide

I'm surprised that you are literally the first person to the say that.

[New Deutsch Europa]

In the Korean War, the US not only defeats North Korea, but General MacArthur invades Communist China, wins, executes Mao Zedong. American power and culture thrives in Asia, but since the Great Leap Forward in China never happens in China because Zedong is dead, China never becomes an industrial powerhouse. Instead, it becomes highly agricultural and the food supplier of the world. This allows homeland USA to become highly industrial. In 1958, the USSR attempted to seize China’s crops by invading. The highly industrial USA leads a NATO coalition against the USSR, the Soviets Surrender, making it highly unstable. Russia’s instability means Fidel Castro does not have enough power to hold on to Cuba. When the USSR tried to take China, one of their tactics against the highly industrialized USA was encouraging native peoples to revolt. This also worked on British Africa. This tactic backfired, however, when the native Siberian peoples revolted, finally crushing the Soviet Union. Russia becomes a NATO state. In 1959, a Soviet supporter assassinated Dwight D. Eisenhower, meaning that Richard Nixon becomes President. In the election of 1960, the Watergate scandal occurs, but is found out before the election, giving a landslide victory to JFK. Kennedy is never assassinated, and the 1960’s are a time of American prosterity. Johnson is elected president in 1968. In 1970, China uses its vast wealth to become independent. In search of an agricultural source, the USA removed Fulgencio Batista from power in Cuba and turned to a US province. The Cubans were ok with this because Batista was a hated Dictator by many. This gave way to a period of Latin American conquest by the USA. Eventually, the US had an empire in Central America. In 1980, the US interfered in the Middle East to stop the fighting between Israelis and Arabs. This results in a US Middle Eastern Colony that stretches from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. This territory is later handed over to the United Nations. Prosperity returns to America and continues to this day.

[The Krogan]

That's quite the fantasy ^

[Gim Dynasty]

In the Korean War, the US not only defeats North Korea, but General MacArthur invades Communist China, wins, executes Mao Zedong. American power and culture thrives in Asia, but since the Great Leap Forward in China never happens in China because Zedong is dead, China never becomes an industrial powerhouse. Instead, it becomes highly agricultural and the food supplier of the world. This allows homeland USA to become highly industrial. In 1958, the USSR attempted to seize China’s crops by invading. The highly industrial USA leads a NATO coalition against the USSR, the Soviets Surrender, making it highly unstable. Russia’s instability means Fidel Castro does not have enough power to hold on to Cuba. When the USSR tried to take China, one of their tactics against the highly industrialized USA was encouraging native peoples to revolt. This also worked on British Africa. This tactic backfired, however, when the native Siberian peoples revolted, finally crushing the Soviet Union. Russia becomes a NATO state. In 1959, a Soviet supporter assassinated Dwight D. Eisenhower, meaning that Richard Nixon becomes President. In the election of 1960, the Watergate scandal occurs, but is found out before the election, giving a landslide victory to JFK. Kennedy is never assassinated, and the 1960’s are a time of American prosterity. Johnson is elected president in 1968. In 1970, China uses its vast wealth to become independent. In search of an agricultural source, the USA removed Fulgencio Batista from power in Cuba and turned to a US province. The Cubans were ok with this because Batista was a hated Dictator by many. This gave way to a period of Latin American conquest by the USA. Eventually, the US had an empire in Central America. In 1980, the US interfered in the Middle East to stop the fighting between Israelis and Arabs. This results in a US Middle Eastern Colony that stretches from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. This territory is later handed over to the United Nations. Prosperity returns to America and continues to this day.

I agree with China never becoming a powerhouse, but the North Korean land belongs to Korea, and since there are many natural resources in North Korea, South Korea becomes a top 10, if not top 5, industrial powerhouse.

[Newne Carriebean7]

My scenario, and no, I wasn't on any drugs when I made this...
P.O.D
in the 1890's Russia never allies with France or the United Kingdom, ans stays isolationist, trying to solve the internal issues of the empire.

in the 1912 Elections, Woodrow Wilson wins a landslide election against Taft.

in 1914, Franz Ferdinand is killed and world war I starts.
on August 19th,1914 czar Nicholas announces Russian Neutrality in the war.
on July 28th,1914, The United States mobilizes it's forces
three days later, on Jul 31st, 1914, Germany Declares war on the USA,who is backwards and only sightly industrial.
on may 5th,1915 the Narven Offensive begins, 5 months later, it is called off, at over 3 million casualties ( 700,000 Americans, 600,000 french, 500,000 British along with 200,000 German dead)they allies gain 25 miles, and lose 4 of that in a German counteroffensive.

in December of 1915, the Champagne Offensive is launched and fails horribly, by early march of 1915 over 3 million casualties on all sides ( 500,000 Germans, 500,000 British,500,000 french, 500,000 american, 500,000 Italian, and 500,000 Austro Hungarian.)

on January 1st, 1916 the Italian empire experiences a democratic coup, withdrawing them from the war and freeing up Austro Hungarian forces that were on the boarder of AH and Italy.
in October of that year, the Lenchdorf Offensive is launched and fails 2 months later, leaving 2,250,000 casualties on both sides each. in the elections in the united States, President Woodrow Wilson is elected.

on January 16th, 1917 The Germans send a telegram to china saying if they enter the war against Russia and the allies, they would be rewarded with the Indian territories and Siberia, also Alaska. when the Russians find out about this, they are furious and on April 6th, the Russians declare war on Germany

within a month ,with severe defeats at the Tannenburg and Siberian Lakes ( with roughly 3 million dead per battle, or around 6 million ) forces Russia out and in the treaty of tannenburg, Russia and Germany negotiate peace. on May 15th the Czar is deposed of and a democratic Government, led by Alexander Kerensky, forms in it's place.

from July 1st to the 19th The MacArthur offensive , led by MacArthur, fails with 3 million american, 2.5 million allies, and 1.0 million central, or roughly 6.5 million total ( with 900,000 German and 100,000 Austro Hungarian) dying in the battle. on March 15th, President Wilson resigns, along with the entire staff and officials and Congress assumes a provisional government.

6 months later, in September, general Smetly baker tries to overthrow the government, but fails, less than two months later the October revolution begins and the fredosocialsits take over.
in 1918, Wilson and his family are shot by the fredosocialsits and world war I ends in German defeat,
on the 12th of October 1922 the 2nd American Civil war ends and the republican army is defeated by the red army, fleeing to Alaska.
in December of that year, The Union Of Socialist States of America ( USSA) is founded by Omar Bradley and the Treaty of Formation.

two years later, in January, Bradley dies, and George S. Patton Assumes command, beginning a great Purge in 1934. World War II begins on the same day as in our timeline, with Russia and the USSA declaring neutrality until mexico invades the USSA on June 22nd, 1941 and Japan attacks Russia on December 7th 1941 by September 3rd, 1945 the war is over and the cold war begins.

With Korea being divided with the communist supported South Korean Government led by Syngman ree, who, is a communist in this timeline and anti Communist Kim Jong Il leading the North. two years later the Korean war begins and an armistice is singed just as in our timeline and Japan is divided thanks to Fascist coup in Tokyo and USSA and Russian intervention.
a Swedish Baltic Missile crisis, which mirrors our own Cuban Missile Crisis. along with a Russian version of Vietnam in Brazil and south america, with them withdrawing in 1970. the USSA also invades in 1970, with a coalition stopping them and they fully withdraw by 1979, in 1985, Mclarck dies, leaving Halsey jr. to take over.

Halsey begins a backfired policy of opening and transparency which eventually lead to the collapse ofthe USSA in 1991 and the formation of the Theocracy of Deseret, the Republics of California, Texas and New York, along with the rest being part of The American federation now led by President George Bush, who took power after invading canda in 2001.

[Husseinarti]

My scenario, and no, I wasn't on any drugs when I made this...
P.O.D
in the 1890's Russia never allies with France or the United Kingdom, ans stays isolationist, trying to solve the internal issues of the empire.

in the 1912 Elections, Woodrow Wilson wins a landslide election against Taft.

in 1914, Franz Ferdinand is killed and world war I starts.
on August 19th,1914 czar Nicholas announces Russian Neutrality in the war.
on July 28th,1914, The United States mobilizes it's forces
three days later, on Jul 31st, 1914, Germany Declares war on the USA,who is backwards and only sightly industrial.
on may 5th,1915 the Narven Offensive begins, 5 months later, it is called off, at over 3 million casualties ( 700,000 Americans, 600,000 french, 500,000 British along with 200,000 German dead)they allies gain 25 miles, and lose 4 of that in a German counteroffensive.

in December of 1915, the Champagne Offensive is launched and fails horribly, by early march of 1915 over 3 million casualties on all sides ( 500,000 Germans, 500,000 British,500,000 french, 500,000 american, 500,000 Italian, and 500,000 Austro Hungarian.)

on January 1st, 1916 the Italian empire experiences a democratic coup, withdrawing them from the war and freeing up Austro Hungarian forces that were on the boarder of AH and Italy.
in October of that year, the Lenchdorf Offensive is launched and fails 2 months later, leaving 2,250,000 casualties on both sides each. in the elections in the united States, President Woodrow Wilson is elected.

on January 16th, 1917 The Germans send a telegram to china saying if they enter the war against Russia and the allies, they would be rewarded with the Indian territories and Siberia, also Alaska. when the Russians find out about this, they are furious and on April 6th, the Russians declare war on Germany

within a month ,with severe defeats at the Tannenburg and Siberian Lakes ( with roughly 3 million dead per battle, or around 6 million ) forces Russia out and in the treaty of tannenburg, Russia and Germany negotiate peace. on May 15th the Czar is deposed of and a democratic Government, led by Alexander Kerensky, forms in it's place.

from July 1st to the 19th The MacArthur offensive , led by MacArthur, fails with 3 million american, 2.5 million allies, and 1.0 million central, or roughly 6.5 million total ( with 900,000 German and 100,000 Austro Hungarian) dying in the battle. on March 15th, President Wilson resigns, along with the entire staff and officials and Congress assumes a provisional government.

6 months later, in September, general Smetly baker tries to overthrow the government, but fails, less than two months later the October revolution begins and the fredosocialsits take over.
in 1918, Wilson and his family are shot by the fredosocialsits and world war I ends in German defeat,
on the 12th of October 1922 the 2nd American Civil war ends and the republican army is defeated by the red army, fleeing to Alaska.
in December of that year, The Union Of Socialist States of America ( USSA) is founded by Omar Bradley and the Treaty of Formation.

two years later, in January, Bradley dies, and George S. Patton Assumes command, beginning a great Purge in 1934. World War II begins on the same day as in our timeline, with Russia and the USSA declaring neutrality until mexico invades the USSA on June 22nd, 1941 and Japan attacks Russia on December 7th 1941 by September 3rd, 1945 the war is over and the cold war begins.

With Korea being divided with the communist supported South Korean Government led by Syngman ree, who, is a communist in this timeline and anti Communist Kim Jong Il leading the North. two years later the Korean war begins and an armistice is singed just as in our timeline and Japan is divided thanks to Fascist coup in Tokyo and USSA and Russian intervention.
a Swedish Baltic Missile crisis, which mirrors our own Cuban Missile Crisis. along with a Russian version of Vietnam in Brazil and south america, with them withdrawing in 1970. the USSA also invades in 1970, with a coalition stopping them and they fully withdraw by 1979, in 1985, Mclarck dies, leaving Halsey jr. to take over.

Halsey begins a backfired policy of opening and transparency which eventually lead to the collapse ofthe USSA in 1991 and the formation of the Theocracy of Deseret, the Republics of California, Texas and New York, along with the rest being part of The American federation now led by President George Bush, who took power after invading canda in 2001.

You know, opening a post up with "And no, I wasn't on drugs when I made this" is defiantly NOT how you want to open it.

Why did the US intervene so quickly in WW1?

The US was staunchly anti-intervention, any attempt to pull the US into the war before 1917 would result in massive political issues. The US found itself really forced into the war towards the end because of a series of German provocations.

Also, everything in this is literally just you changing the date of real life events very slightly and changing the names of nations used. History isn't binary, you can't just say "Okay so now the US enters the war in Russias place LULZ!" It doesn't work like that.

Also, the massive losses incurred in these 'offensives' makes no sense. Over three million losses in just 18 days? Was MacArthur (Who was a division commander at this time mind you), just walking around calling artillery on his own units? Jesus.

[Confederation of Common Sense]

Modern Feminists are executed in the Holocaust instead of the Jews.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Modern Feminists are executed in the Holocaust instead of the Jews.

Seriously?

Thats kind of cruel because it assumes you have the right to extinguish the physical life of someone for ideological reasons. Besides they might actually survive, and come back to kill you for putting them back in the past.

[Confederation of Common Sense]

Modern Feminists are executed in the Holocaust instead of the Jews.

Seriously?

Thats kind of cruel because it assumes you have the right to extinguish the physical life of someone for ideological reasons. Besides they might actually survive, and come back to kill you for putting them back in the past.

They oppressed our right to have sex with women. That is an attack on civil rights.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Seriously?

Thats kind of cruel because it assumes you have the right to extinguish the physical life of someone for ideological reasons. Besides they might actually survive, and come back to kill you for putting them back in the past.

They oppressed our right to have sex with women. That is an attack on civil rights.

So....your solution is to send them back to the past to endure horror in death factories?

Just what makes this common sense at all?

[Soames]

Battle of Waterloo. That battle has always annoyed because the failure was mostly due to the tactical mistakes of Grouchy, Ney, and Soult during the campaign. The election of 2000 also irks me.

[Meryuma]

Judaism never develops, monotheism, Christianity and Islam, come from Roman religion, Zoroastrianism, Platonism, and possible Buddhist influence alone.

That's kind of the worst of both worlds.

Should've never given up the colonies.

Then literally everyone would be better off. Well, except for Belgian Congo but who would entrust the Belgians anything anyways?

How "anti-globalist" of you.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Judaism never develops, monotheism, Christianity and Islam, come from Roman religion, Zoroastrianism, Platonism, and possible Buddhist influence alone.

That's kind of the worst of both worlds.

Should've never given up the colonies.

Then literally everyone would be better off. Well, except for Belgian Congo but who would entrust the Belgians anything anyways?

How "anti-globalist" of you.

Well they never said what type of globalism now did they?

[Meryuma]

That's kind of the worst of both worlds.



How "anti-globalist" of you.

Well they never said what type of globalism now did they?

Colonialism is just globalism without the pretense of equality. You can't be "anti-globalist" and pro-colonial. They're probably just using it as a right-wing conspiracy buzzword.

[Newne Carriebean7]

I'd make the British empire grow and colonize all of africa, most of asia, south america ( in an alternate war with Spain in 1740.) and have canada be an american puppet.

[The Wolven League]

I'd make the British empire grow and colonize all of africa, most of asia, south america ( in an alternate war with Spain in 1740.) and have canada be an american puppet.

Any reason why?