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Postby Bhikkustan » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:57 pm

Make buddhism the world religion. Convert Jesus!
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:27 pm

Judaism never develops, monotheism, Christianity and Islam, come from Roman religion, Zoroastrianism, Platonism, and possible Buddhist influence alone.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:32 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:Judaism never develops, monotheism, Christianity and Islam, come from Roman religion, Zoroastrianism, Platonism, and possible Buddhist influence alone.

What a waste.

Yahwist monotheism still thrives in Judah, and Israel leading them being more or so stuck in the Deuteronomic phase of their faith. Christianity, and Islam possibly don't develop since both heavily borrow from portions of Judaism ( Islam even more so). Neoplatonism still develops in a Europe dominated potentially by a more henotheistic faith as the dominate empire experiences an infusion of Yahwism, and Zoroastrianism.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:45 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:Judaism never develops, monotheism, Christianity and Islam, come from Roman religion, Zoroastrianism, Platonism, and possible Buddhist influence alone.

What a waste.

Yahwist monotheism still thrives in Judah, and Israel leading them being more or so stuck in the Deuteronomic phase of their faith. Christianity, and Islam possibly don't develop since both heavily borrow from portions of Islam ( Islam even more so). Neoplatonism still develops in a Europe dominated potentially by a more henotheistic faith as the dominate empire experiences an infusion of Yahwism, and Zoroastrianism.


Or, simpler, go back in time and convince everyone to worship Prince Philip.

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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:59 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:What a waste.

Yahwist monotheism still thrives in Judah, and Israel leading them being more or so stuck in the Deuteronomic phase of their faith. Christianity, and Islam possibly don't develop since both heavily borrow from portions of Islam ( Islam even more so). Neoplatonism still develops in a Europe dominated potentially by a more henotheistic faith as the dominate empire experiences an infusion of Yahwism, and Zoroastrianism.


Or, simpler, go back in time and convince everyone to worship Prince Philip.

Oh god...
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:46 am

The Wolven League wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Or, simpler, go back in time and convince everyone to worship Prince Philip.

Oh god Phillip...

Ficks'd.

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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:46 am

Bhikkustan wrote:Make buddhism the world religion. Convert Jesus!


Nope. Take Tibet for example. Buddhism there flourished and monasteries were able to grab on to power. They became defacto rulers, arbitrarily creating taxes in their local region, making laws and raising up armies in times of need (which they failed spectacularly when China invaded).

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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:22 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Bhikkustan wrote:Make buddhism the world religion. Convert Jesus!


Nope. Take Tibet for example. Buddhism there flourished and monasteries were able to grab on to power. They became defacto rulers, arbitrarily creating taxes in their local region, making laws and raising up armies in times of need (which they failed spectacularly when China invaded).


An army force of 8,000 v 40,000. I hoped they'd lose.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Oh god Phillip...

Ficks'd.

Of course.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:27 am

Husseinarti wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
Nope. Take Tibet for example. Buddhism there flourished and monasteries were able to grab on to power. They became defacto rulers, arbitrarily creating taxes in their local region, making laws and raising up armies in times of need (which they failed spectacularly when China invaded).


An army force of 8,000 v 40,000. I hoped they'd lose.

My money is on the 8000.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:10 am

Husseinarti wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
Nope. Take Tibet for example. Buddhism there flourished and monasteries were able to grab on to power. They became defacto rulers, arbitrarily creating taxes in their local region, making laws and raising up armies in times of need (which they failed spectacularly when China invaded).


An army force of 8,000 v 40,000. I hoped they'd lose.


Nah, Chinese rule is no better esp. with how they went about with taking over Tibet and its later exploitation of its population and natural resources.

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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:20 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
An army force of 8,000 v 40,000. I hoped they'd lose.


Nah, Chinese rule is no better esp. with how they went about with taking over Tibet and its later exploitation of its population and natural resources.


I mean in terms of manpower.

They ' failed ' because they weren't able to cover the same amount of ground the Chinese could.
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Postby Braberland » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:31 pm

Should've never given up the colonies.

Then literally everyone would be better off. Well, except for Belgian Congo but who would entrust the Belgians anything anyways?
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Postby Mahdistan » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:37 pm

Hard to say. I guess kick Stalin out of the U.S.S.R. before he started screwing it over and put Trotsky in power.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:37 pm

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Genivaria wrote:Just to be a bit different I'd have the Republic of Carthage win the Punic Wars against Rome and become the sole power in the Mediterranean.

I wonder what the result would be if a trade-based naval power held dominance instead of an agrarian and conquest based land power.

I agree, it would be very interesting to see how different the world would be.

A definitely more peaceful region that is dominated by trade and prosperity that would also be more inclusive I think.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:I agree, it would be very interesting to see how different the world would be.

A definitely more peaceful region that is dominated by trade and prosperity that would also be more inclusive I think.

Why so?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:46 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:A definitely more peaceful region that is dominated by trade and prosperity that would also be more inclusive I think.

Why so?

The Carthaginians were more focused on simply trading with their neighbors instead of conquering them for ever more land.
Peaceful trade leads to better relations with other cultures instead of grudges and hostilities, which is what you get even when you conquer them.

While in today's world certain industries do profit from war the fact remains that war is generally bad for trade and the economy.
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Postby Ragnarheim » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:48 pm

Ensure the Vikings established a more permanent kingdom here in England.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Why so?

The Carthaginians were more focused on simply trading with their neighbors instead of conquering them for ever more land.
Peaceful trade leads to better relations with other cultures instead of grudges and hostilities, which is what you get even when you conquer them.

While in today's world certain industries do profit from war the fact remains that war is generally bad for trade and the economy.

Pax Romana and Pax Mongolica would appear to indicate otherwise.

Given how large Carthage was I have my doubts that Carthage wasn't interested in expansion.

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:18 pm

Ragnarheim wrote:Ensure the Vikings established a more permanent kingdom here in England.

If you had the Vikings win in 1066 and had them defeat the Normans too, the result could've been a Viking dynasty in England.


... I wonder if there is any sequence of events that could've preserved Cnut's North Sea empire.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Let's have Sadat survive the assassination attempt, and build a prosperous peaceful regime in Egypt.
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Postby The Tricolour » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:20 pm

French Revolution either never existed or was put down in the Bastille.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:21 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The Carthaginians were more focused on simply trading with their neighbors instead of conquering them for ever more land.
Peaceful trade leads to better relations with other cultures instead of grudges and hostilities, which is what you get even when you conquer them.

While in today's world certain industries do profit from war the fact remains that war is generally bad for trade and the economy.

Pax Romana and Pax Mongolica would appear to indicate otherwise.

Given how large Carthage was I have my doubts that Carthage wasn't interested in expansion.

Pax Romana only existed within the borders, and not even then at several points.
Pushing people out of their lands tends to make enemies.

And I didn't mean to imply that Carthage had zero interest in expansion, just that they didn't have the 'Expand or Die' mentality that the Romans have, especially after the Marius reforms started promised citizenship and land for service in the Legion, at that point the Romans HAD to keep expanding or everything would break down, which is exactly what happened in the end.
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Postby Gyllia » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:30 pm

Make the Spanish never invade the Aztecs
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