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Postby Italian-Australia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:19 am

The Wolven League wrote:Inspired by a thread locked for insignifcantness, which so many of my threads garner inspiration from.

you could, for example, say that you would make the Abrahamic faiths never exist just to see how different the world would be.
colonialism would have survived a lot longer.

Why did you make the example anti-religious? Tisk. That's half the problem with the world nowadays, people getting abused for daring to believe in something.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:23 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Nobody else is curious about what a Mongol victory at Ain Jalut, stabler succession laws, and a longer lived Mongke and Ogedei would have done to Europe and the Middle East, and by extent the world?

I'm curious. I'm also curious to see what would happen in Britain allied with Germany instead of France prior to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, and to see what would happen if Persia won the Graeco-Person wars, and to see what would happen if nuclear weapons hadn't been invented during WW2, and to see what would happen if Alexander the Great's empire had persisted. But these are things I'd rather ask a Futurama-style "What if?" machine, as opposed to actually making these changes to history.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:24 am

Italian-Australia wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Inspired by a thread locked for insignifcantness, which so many of my threads garner inspiration from.

you could, for example, say that you would make the Abrahamic faiths never exist just to see how different the world would be.
colonialism would have survived a lot longer.

Why did you make the example anti-religious? Tisk. That's half the problem with the world nowadays, people getting abused for daring to believe in something.

I'm pretty certain the opposite is a lot more common. There aren't exactly terror groups running around beheading people for becoming religious.
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Postby Italian-Australia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:25 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Italian-Australia wrote:Why did you make the example anti-religious? Tisk. That's half the problem with the world nowadays, people getting abused for daring to believe in something.

I'm pretty certain the opposite is a lot more common. There aren't exactly terror groups running around beheading people for becoming religious.

Well wouldn't it be nice if we all got along. How about we try that?

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:28 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Nobody else is curious about what a Mongol victory at Ain Jalut, stabler succession laws, and a longer lived Mongke and Ogedei would have done to Europe and the Middle East, and by extent the world?

I'm curious. I'm also curious to see what would happen in Britain allied with Germany instead of France prior to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, and to see what would happen if Persia won the Graeco-Person wars, and to see what would happen if nuclear weapons hadn't been invented during WW2, and to see what would happen if Alexander the Great's empire had persisted. But these are things I'd rather ask a Futurama-style "What if?" machine, as opposed to actually making these changes to history.

Well by the rules of the OP you have the powers of time travel and the ability to reshape world events as you see fit, I figure if you don't like the resulting changes you could fix it.

Besides, maybe by some stretch of the imagination a Eurasia dominated by a stable, strong Mongol Empire would somehow work out to the benefit of mankind?
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:32 am

Italian-Australia wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:I'm pretty certain the opposite is a lot more common. There aren't exactly terror groups running around beheading people for becoming religious.

Well wouldn't it be nice if we all got along. How about we try that?

I doubt ISIS would be willing to try.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:37 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'm curious. I'm also curious to see what would happen in Britain allied with Germany instead of France prior to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, and to see what would happen if Persia won the Graeco-Person wars, and to see what would happen if nuclear weapons hadn't been invented during WW2, and to see what would happen if Alexander the Great's empire had persisted. But these are things I'd rather ask a Futurama-style "What if?" machine, as opposed to actually making these changes to history.

Well by the rules of the OP you have the powers of time travel and the ability to reshape world events as you see fit, I figure if you don't like the resulting changes you could fix it.

Besides, maybe by some stretch of the imagination a Eurasia dominated by a stable, strong Mongol Empire would somehow work out to the benefit of mankind?

I supposed I could reverse the whole thing after seeing the highlights if I weren't interested in leaving it that way.

... but if one were to list every possibility that could be interesting or an improvement it'd probably take up a whole page.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:41 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Well by the rules of the OP you have the powers of time travel and the ability to reshape world events as you see fit, I figure if you don't like the resulting changes you could fix it.

Besides, maybe by some stretch of the imagination a Eurasia dominated by a stable, strong Mongol Empire would somehow work out to the benefit of mankind?

I supposed I could reverse the whole thing after seeing the highlights if I weren't interested in leaving it that way.

... but if one were to list every possibility that could be interesting or an improvement it'd probably take up a whole page.

That's why I started with the only good one: Mongol dominated earth.
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Postby Gharoukannia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:46 am

*I would change the outcome of the Chinese Civil War; making it so that the communists' Long March (1934-1935) was a massive nationalist success. The result would likely be a United Capitalist China quite autocratic but democratizing over time.

*Or I would make it so that the rise of socialism, national syndicalism and communism was replaced with the rise of libertarianism and the benevolent dictatorship

*Or I would make it so that Persia conquered Greece - thus hopefully solving the problem of slavery in the West and emancipating millions

*Or I would make it so that the Japanese Empire never rose

*Or I would make it so that the Tumu Crisis never occurred or that the Han Empire defeated the Mongols
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Postby The Greater German Federal Republic » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:48 am

Gharoukannia wrote:*I would change the outcome of the Chinese Civil War; making it so that the communists' Long March (1934-1935) was a massive nationalist success. The result would likely be a United Capitalist China quite autocratic but democratizing over time.

*Or I would make it so that the rise of socialism, national syndicalism and communism was replaced with the rise of libertarianism and the benevolent dictatorship

*Or I would make it so that Persia conquered Greece - thus hopefully solving the problem of slavery in the West and emancipating millions

*Or I would make it so that the Japanese Empire never rose

*Or I would make it so that Prussia won the Austro-Prussian War and united Germany

*Or I would make it so that the Tumu Crisis never occurred or that the Han Empire defeated the Mongols


Erm....Prussia won the Austro-Prussian war in 1866
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Postby Italian-Australia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:04 am

Simple, I would have it that Britain won the American revolution because quite frankly. None of this shit would have happened under British governance.

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Postby The Greater German Federal Republic » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:05 am

Italian-Australia wrote:Simple, I would have it that Britain won the American revolution because quite frankly. None of this shit would have happened under British governance.


That would also mean when the USA eventually would get independent, it would more than likely be a member of the Commonwealth of Nations
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Postby Italian-Australia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:07 am

The Greater German Federal Republic wrote:
Italian-Australia wrote:Simple, I would have it that Britain won the American revolution because quite frankly. None of this shit would have happened under British governance.


That would also mean when the USA eventually would get independent, it would more than likely be a member of the Commonwealth of Nations

And would that be a bad thing? Not all the Commonwealth nations swear fealty to the Queen so really... why not sign up. At the very least travel is easier.
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Postby The Greater German Federal Republic » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:08 am

Italian-Australia wrote:
The Greater German Federal Republic wrote:
That would also mean when the USA eventually would get independent, it would more than likely be a member of the Commonwealth of Nations

And would that be a bad thing? Not all the Commonwealth nations swear fealty to the Queen so really... why not sign up.


I never said that would be a bad thing
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Postby The Wolven League » Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:07 am

Italian-Australia wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Inspired by a thread locked for insignifcantness, which so many of my threads garner inspiration from.

you could, for example, say that you would make the Abrahamic faiths never exist just to see how different the world would be.
colonialism would have survived a lot longer.

Why did you make the example anti-religious? Tisk. That's half the problem with the world nowadays, people getting abused for daring to believe in something.

I'm religious myself, and adhere to an Abrahamic faith. I made that example just purely out of haste. I don't see anything wrong with it, really.
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Postby The Wolven League » Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:05 am

Gharoukannia wrote:*I would change the outcome of the Chinese Civil War; making it so that the communists' Long March (1934-1935) was a massive nationalist success. The result would likely be a United Capitalist China quite autocratic but democratizing over time.

*Or I would make it so that the rise of socialism, national syndicalism and communism was replaced with the rise of libertarianism and the benevolent dictatorship

*Or I would make it so that Persia conquered Greece - thus hopefully solving the problem of slavery in the West and emancipating millions

*Or I would make it so that the Japanese Empire never rose

*Or I would make it so that Prussia won the Austro-Prussian War and united Germany

*Or I would make it so that the Tumu Crisis never occurred or that the Han Empire defeated the Mongols

I agree with some, although I highly disagree with preventing the rise of socialism. Libertarianism... ugh.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:49 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I supposed I could reverse the whole thing after seeing the highlights if I weren't interested in leaving it that way.
... but if one were to list every possibility that could be interesting or an improvement it'd probably take up a whole page.

That's why I started with the only good one: Mongol dominated earth.

According to what?

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Postby Czechanada » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:06 pm

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Czechanada wrote:I'd prevent video game consoles from existing after 2010.

Are you a PC master race guy?


That would be an understatement.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:09 pm

Czechanada wrote:I'd prevent video game consoles from existing after 2010.


All the things you could change about history, all the atrocities you could end, all the wars.

And you choose to stop fucking video game consoles.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:15 pm

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Czechanada wrote:I'd prevent video game consoles from existing after 2010.


All the things you could change about history, all the atrocities you could end, all the wars.

And you choose to stop fucking video game consoles.

Why not?

At least it is unique, and besides atrocities have always been with us.

Video game consoles have not.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:18 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
All the things you could change about history, all the atrocities you could end, all the wars.

And you choose to stop fucking video game consoles.

Why not?

At least it is unique, and besides atrocities have always been with us.

Video game consoles have not.


Being unique isn't always a good thing.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:47 pm

No Sykes-Picot Agreement. No Balfour Declaration. I wonder what the Levant and Mesopotamia would have looked like without those disasters?
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Postby Musices » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:58 pm

Assuming I'm playing God, I would've made Emperor Constantine not susceptible to religion and instead to the idea of humanism. Then maybe Medieval Europe would've been more prone to accept things such as constitutions that preserve liberty instead of the unquestionable word of the Pope.

Of course, no one can predict how history would unfold, but I believe that if Western civilization had adopted the ideas of a secular democracy earlier, many tragedies of the middle ages could've been avoided, including the Crusades

Jerusalem would've probably been sacked by the Muslims and the Crusades (some of them) would've probably still happened, but who knows. Maybe secular humanism would've spread to the Middle East faster than in the West. Middle Eastern cultures, in an ironic twist of events, would've been the champions of civil rights, not the West.

Of course, this is all just speculation of what would occur if I could actually make Constantine a secular humanist.
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:46 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
Czechanada wrote:I'd prevent video game consoles from existing after 2010.


All the things you could change about history, all the atrocities you could end, all the wars.

And you choose to stop fucking video game consoles.


Problem is, is that stopping specific historical events may have untold repercussions that may harm or hinder humanity in ways we couldn't foresee. Our understanding of history is never fully reliable. I'd rather take my chances to fix something that I know that would undoubtedly have nothing but a net positive effect on humanity.
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Postby Kohr » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:02 pm

I actually will change my earlier post to make it that Robert Mugabe was never born. The Nigerians can have their oil.

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