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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:02 pm

Agapathapoo wrote:Kill Stalin
Kill Hitler
Kill Mao
Kill Theodore Roosevelt
Kill Abraham (biblic)
Kidnap baby Trump and have him adopted my Mexicans

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I love how half of the posts in this thread are basically hit lists :p
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:04 pm

Tell Max Barry circa 1999 that he will have a legion of devoted online followers soon. Just to see how he reacts mostly.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:25 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Agapathapoo wrote:Kill Stalin
Kill Hitler
Kill Mao
Kill Theodore Roosevelt
Kill Abraham (biblic)
Kidnap baby Trump and have him adopted my Mexicans

Edit early human DNA so we evolved into werewolves

I love how half of the posts in this thread are basically hit lists :p


I'd prefer other sort of hit lists.
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Postby Helensted » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:28 pm

Napoleon winning Waterloo!
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Postby The Collective Communist States » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:32 pm

I lead the cccp after stalin and it never collapses but instead becomes a communist utopia

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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:46 pm

I've have Germany win WW1.

The Collective Communist States wrote:I lead the cccp after stalin and it never collapses but instead becomes a communist utopia


So you'd happily repress your people and starve them?

have fun being killed by Stalin.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:27 pm

Husseinarti wrote:I've have Germany win WW1.

The Collective Communist States wrote:I lead the cccp after stalin and it never collapses but instead becomes a communist utopia


So you'd happily repress your people and starve them?

have fun being killed by Stalin.

how could Germany win the war,besides not going through Belgium, or the schleffin plan not existing because of inflexibility.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:36 pm

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:I've have Germany win WW1.



So you'd happily repress your people and starve them?

have fun being killed by Stalin.

how could Germany win the war,besides not going through Belgium, or the schleffin plan not existing because of inflexibility.


Out of both sides, the Germans were still filled with more fighting spirit than the Entente. It wasn't until the Americans showed up that really the Germans finally lost any hope of winning.

The Germans had a series of offensives planned before the Americans had involved themselves, and for some time had been gaining ground, compared to the British and French, who were down to fumes.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:42 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote: how could Germany win the war,besides not going through Belgium, or the schleffin plan not existing because of inflexibility.


Out of both sides, the Germans were still filled with more fighting spirit than the Entente. It wasn't until the Americans showed up that really the Germans finally lost any hope of winning.

The Germans had a series of offensives planned before the Americans had involved themselves, and for some time had been gaining ground, compared to the British and French, who were down to fumes.

so if america didn't join they would've won? that dose make sense, but if Russia didn't join ,say they ignored the conflict, never signed their alliance with France or serbia, and china joined o n the central powers, maybe they would've had a better chance, and if spain had joined, then Spain would be fighting Portugal and france, also, if they move fast enough to snag gibralter they wou d make it a lake for the central powers and have supplies cease to russia.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:04 pm

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
Out of both sides, the Germans were still filled with more fighting spirit than the Entente. It wasn't until the Americans showed up that really the Germans finally lost any hope of winning.

The Germans had a series of offensives planned before the Americans had involved themselves, and for some time had been gaining ground, compared to the British and French, who were down to fumes.

so if america didn't join they would've won? that dose make sense, but if Russia didn't join ,say they ignored the conflict, never signed their alliance with France or serbia, and china joined o n the central powers, maybe they would've had a better chance, and if spain had joined, then Spain would be fighting Portugal and france, also, if they move fast enough to snag gibralter they wou d make it a lake for the central powers and have supplies cease to russia.
and I swear your flag reminds me of that one mod.


In 1917, both the British and the French had massive, critical mutinies across the ranks. Over a dozen divisions along the French and many along the British side simply stopped fighting, some went as far as to kill their officers. Had the Germans launched their Spring Offensive of 1918 in 1917, the Germans would have been able to topple any meaningful French resistance and been in Paris within a short while.

This, combined with say, a legit French Socialist revolt at this time would also have been very good for the Germans.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:09 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote: so if america didn't join they would've won? that dose make sense, but if Russia didn't join ,say they ignored the conflict, never signed their alliance with France or serbia, and china joined o n the central powers, maybe they would've had a better chance, and if spain had joined, then Spain would be fighting Portugal and france, also, if they move fast enough to snag gibralter they wou d make it a lake for the central powers and have supplies cease to russia.
and I swear your flag reminds me of that one mod.


In 1917, both the British and the French had massive, critical mutinies across the ranks. Over a dozen divisions along the French and many along the British side simply stopped fighting, some went as far as to kill their officers. Had the Germans launched their Spring Offensive of 1918 in 1917, the Germans would have been able to topple any meaningful French resistance and been in Paris within a short while.

This, combined with say, a legit French Socialist revolt at this time would also have been very good for the Germans.

if the mutiny had lasted longer or had led to a march on Paris ,with france out of the war as an outcome, though I bet they would suppress it like the revolts after the french defeat in the franco german war in 1870. and if the mutines had happened earlier of a somme series event happens a year earlier in 1915, would France sue for peace?possibly, but we'll never know.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:10 pm

What would have probably happened was that the French sue for peace, the Germans acknowledge it and leave. They would take some land, but for the most part it would have been a peace-with-honor.
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Postby Democratic Socialist States of Africa » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:44 pm

Africa never being colonized, and it being more liberal and socialist.

I support Pan Africanism. For those who say Africa cannot change, you are wrong.

I am a Pan Africanist, Democratic Socialist person who supports socialism.

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Postby Myown » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:16 pm

Go back in time and:

Give the recipe of gun power and the mastery of metalurgy to Mark Antony;
Give the knowledge of steam engine and greek fire to Wang Mang of the Han dyasty;
Give the Inca, Aztecs, and Mayans of the same time frame all of the above;

to see what happens when all the civs meet a few centuries later.
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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:03 pm

Myown wrote:Go back in time and:

Give the recipe of gun power and the mastery of metalurgy to Mark Antony;
Give the knowledge of steam engine and greek fire to Wang Mang of the Han dyasty;
Give the Inca, Aztecs, and Mayans of the same time frame all of the above;

to see what happens when all the civs meet a few centuries later.

That would be rather disastrous.
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Postby Omega America II » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:15 pm

Prevent the assassination of Arch Duke Franz Fedinand
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Postby The Siverian Republic » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:17 pm

Omega America II wrote:Prevent the assassination of Arch Duke Franz Fedinand

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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:25 pm

The Siverian Republic wrote:
Omega America II wrote:Prevent the assassination of Arch Duke Franz Fedinand

All the technology lost because the World Wars didn't happen....


Don't worry, if you allow Germany to win WW1, WW2 becomes Socialist France and Britain vs the German and Russian Empires.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:30 pm

Husseinarti wrote:Out of both sides, the Germans were still filled with more fighting spirit than the Entente. It wasn't until the Americans showed up that really the Germans finally lost any hope of winning.

The Germans had a series of offensives planned before the Americans had involved themselves, and for some time had been gaining ground, compared to the British and French, who were down to fumes.

If Germany had won in 1918, that'd be a pretty terrible outcome. Ludendorff was basically a military dictator at that point, and he had many of the same racial and occultist inclinations as the Nazis later did. Something tells me the peace deal would not have been any better than Versailles was.

I think Germany winning at the Marne and ending the war in 1914 would be a much better alternative. Then the world might at least have continued in broadly the same way without complete social collapse anywhere.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:Out of both sides, the Germans were still filled with more fighting spirit than the Entente. It wasn't until the Americans showed up that really the Germans finally lost any hope of winning.

The Germans had a series of offensives planned before the Americans had involved themselves, and for some time had been gaining ground, compared to the British and French, who were down to fumes.

If Germany had won in 1918, that'd be a pretty terrible outcome. Ludendorff was basically a military dictator at that point, and he had many of the same racial and occultist inclinations as the Nazis later did. Something tells me the peace deal would not have been any better than Versailles was.

I think Germany winning at the Marne and ending the war in 1914 would be a much better alternative. Then the world might at least have continued in broadly the same way without complete social collapse anywhere.


I'm fairly certain that the German military wouldn't have totally condoned Ludendorff to just suddenly create his own military force, establish concentration camps, etc. Hitler had a very specific series of events that allowed him to do such a thing, namely the collapse of Germany and the near open civil war in the 1920s.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:06 pm

Husseinarti wrote:What would have probably happened was that the French sue for peace, the Germans acknowledge it and leave. They would take some land, but for the most part it would have been a peace-with-honor.

Or the Germans enact something worse than Versailles, like Brest-Litovsk.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:14 pm

Nobody else is curious about what a Mongol victory at Ain Jalut, stabler succession laws, and a longer lived Mongke and Ogedei would have done to Europe and the Middle East, and by extent the world?
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:32 pm

Husseinarti wrote:I'm fairly certain that the German military wouldn't have totally condoned Ludendorff to just suddenly create his own military force, establish concentration camps, etc. Hitler had a very specific series of events that allowed him to do such a thing, namely the collapse of Germany and the near open civil war in the 1920s.

I don't think one can really argue about alternative history very effectively, since nobody knows anything for sure. But what you'd have is a military dictatorship run by a fairly unhinged totalitarian ruler with a starving population and a lot of anger at the enemy. I have a hard time imagining that the peace Germany would have imposed on other countries would be any better than Versailles... to be honest it would probably have been worse (if Brest-Litowsk is anything to go by, as The Nuclear Fist pointed out).

I find it hard to see how that sort of setup wouldn't lead to something just as bad as WWII in reality... maybe worse. So that's why I think (if no war is not an option) an early end would be preferable, and only Germany was in a position to end the war early. That way civil societies on both sides could have remained intact. At least until some later war.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:23 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Manzikert.

You'd change some town in Turkey? ... I don't understand.


Have you been to Manzikert/Malazgirt recently?

It's a dreary little place badly in need of a sensitive programme of comprehensive urban renewal, starting with a comprehensive litter collection plan. Also, the paths in the local parks could be straighter. Change in Manzikert is therefore well overdue.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:15 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Conscentia wrote:You'd change some town in Turkey? ... I don't understand.

Have you been to Manzikert/Malazgirt recently?

It's a dreary little place badly in need of a sensitive programme of comprehensive urban renewal, starting with a comprehensive litter collection plan. Also, the paths in the local parks could be straighter. Change in Manzikert is therefore well overdue.

Lots of places could use urban renewal.

The other responses to your post don't make sense if you just want some urban renewal.

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