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[Librica (Ancient)]

Neither. Your clearly not understanding the difference between culture and race.

Okay, so then you didn't address the argument. Got it. Let me know when you want to actually debate.

Actually at this point I'm just ignoring you because you've done nothing to constructively add to this debate at all other than incorrectly call me a racist.

The Black Forrest wrote:



Librica wrote:
Neither. Your clearly not understanding the difference between culture and race.

Now you have my curiosity. What is the difference?

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[Librica (Ancient)]

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[Washington Resistance Army]

Okay, so then you didn't address the argument. Got it. Let me know when you want to actually debate.

Actually at this point I'm just ignoring you because you've done nothing to constructively add to this debate at all other than incorrectly call me a racist.

That's because you were the one drawing the comparisons with blacks and their "culture".

[Mavorpen]

Okay, so then you didn't address the argument. Got it. Let me know when you want to actually debate.

Actually at this point I'm just ignoring you because you've done nothing to constructively add to this debate at all other than incorrectly call me a racist.

Well no, you ignored me because I DID present something constructive you had no answer for.

You claim this "culture" causes the situation these black people find themselves in. What causes this "culture"? Either it's inherent in them, or it's caused by an outside factor. You've been presented an explanation: racism. You have yet to provide any evidence refuting this explanation and have completely dodged my request for a cause for this "culture." Could it be that you don't HAVE an answer that doesn't force you to own up to your racism?

[Librica (Ancient)]

Actually at this point I'm just ignoring you because you've done nothing to constructively add to this debate at all other than incorrectly call me a racist.

That's because you were the one drawing the comparisons with blacks and their "culture".

But that's the thing and why this debate about me never should have started. I never said it was "their" culture. I basically said a bunch of them are apart of it and that causes the racism against them.

[Librica (Ancient)]

Actually at this point I'm just ignoring you because you've done nothing to constructively add to this debate at all other than incorrectly call me a racist.

Well no, you ignored me because I DID present something constructive you had no answer for.

You claim this "culture" causes the situation these black people find themselves in. What causes this "culture"? Either it's inherent in them, or it's caused by an outside factor. You've been presented an explanation: racism. You have yet to provide any evidence refuting this explanation and have completely dodged my request for a cause for this "culture." Could it be that you don't HAVE an answer that doesn't force you to own up to your racism?

To be simple. You are making a claim, that racism caused the culture. The burden of proof is on the one making a claim as is said in the god debate and it applies here as well. Can you prove that racism has anything to do with this destructive and offensive culture?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Culture is a byword for "Race", while still trying to absolve oneself of racism- culture, in this view, can be changed, so you can make the claim "Not all black people..." while making the most racist comments on black people. For example, "I'm not a racist, I am against a culture that promotes buckteeth and slinty-eyed-ness, now not all Asians follow this culture, but I am against a culture that happens to be Asian".

Culture
1.the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively:

This has nothing to do with race. A white man could adopt this culture and he'd still be white.

And yet, the way it is being used still fits perfectly into my little paradigm.

[Mavorpen]

Well no, you ignored me because I DID present something constructive you had no answer for.

You claim this "culture" causes the situation these black people find themselves in. What causes this "culture"? Either it's inherent in them, or it's caused by an outside factor. You've been presented an explanation: racism. You have yet to provide any evidence refuting this explanation and have completely dodged my request for a cause for this "culture." Could it be that you don't HAVE an answer that doesn't force you to own up to your racism?

To be simple. You are making a claim, that racism caused the culture. The burden of proof is on the one making a claim as is said in the god debate and it applies here as well. Can you prove that racism has anything to do with this destructive and offensive culture?

Actually, I didn't make a claim. I stated that someone ELSE made this claim in an argument and that you dodged it. YOU made the positive claim first that racism didn't cause it. Learn how the burden of proof works, please.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Well no, you ignored me because I DID present something constructive you had no answer for.

You claim this "culture" causes the situation these black people find themselves in. What causes this "culture"? Either it's inherent in them, or it's caused by an outside factor. You've been presented an explanation: racism. You have yet to provide any evidence refuting this explanation and have completely dodged my request for a cause for this "culture." Could it be that you don't HAVE an answer that doesn't force you to own up to your racism?

To be simple. You are making a claim, that racism caused the culture. The burden of proof is on the one making a claim as is said in the god debate and it applies here as well. Can you prove that racism has anything to do with this destructive and offensive culture?

No, the racism is the one that claims that this culture (read: black people, but I'm too chickenshit to admit to my very obvious racism) is destructive and 'offensive', whatever that means, and that the fact that black people are economically disadvantaged is because they choose to adopt this 'destructive and offensive' culture, in other words, black people are economically disadvantaged because they choose to be.

[Librica (Ancient)]

Culture
1.the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively:

This has nothing to do with race. A white man could adopt this culture and he'd still be white.

And yet, the way it is being used still fits perfectly into my little paradigm.

I don't understand how. The culture is not "black". Culture is a non-racial affiliated term. It's generic, anyone of any race can be apart of it.

Technically, on a side note. Even if this culture did originate with blacks as a result of racism that does not make hatred of that culture racism. It just makes the culture itself racist.

[Eastern Equestria]

That's because you were the one drawing the comparisons with blacks and their "culture".

But that's the thing and why this debate about me never should have started. I never said it was "their" culture. I basically said a bunch of them are apart of it and that causes the racism against them.

Right, because racism against blacks didn't exist at all until the inception of ghetto culture as we know it today.

[Mavorpen]

But that's the thing and why this debate about me never should have started. I never said it was "their" culture. I basically said a bunch of them are apart of it and that causes the racism against them.

Right, because racism against blacks didn't exist at all until the inception of ghetto culture as we know it today.

Yeah, didn't you know that slavery was justified via blacks using drugs and listening to their hippity hop?

[Librica (Ancient)]

To be simple. You are making a claim, that racism caused the culture. The burden of proof is on the one making a claim as is said in the god debate and it applies here as well. Can you prove that racism has anything to do with this destructive and offensive culture?

No, the racism is the one that claims that this culture (read: black people, but I'm too chickenshit to admit to my very obvious racism) is destructive and 'offensive', whatever that means, and that the fact that black people are economically disadvantaged is because they choose to adopt this 'destructive and offensive' culture, in other words, black people are economically disadvantaged because they choose to be.

Uhm, I think you need to reread the post lol.

[Librica (Ancient)]

Right, because racism against blacks didn't exist at all until the inception of ghetto culture as we know it today.

Yeah, didn't you know that slavery was justified via blacks using drugs and listening to their hippity hop?

Very little actual racism exists. Not saying it doesn't. Don't go there. But most of the racism against blacks that we know today stems out of this cultures behavior. Because ALOT of people treat it like a race thing. When it factually isn't, they treat whites who behave this way equally as bad without even realizing it.

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, didn't you know that slavery was justified via blacks using drugs and listening to their hippity hop?

Very little actual racism exists. Not saying it doesn't. Don't go there. But most of the racism against blacks that we know today stems out of this cultures behavior. Because ALOT of people treat it like a race thing. When it factually isn't, they treat whites who behave this way equally as bad without even realizing it.

I like how you completely dodged my request for evidence that racism doesn't cause this "culture."

It's almost like you know you're full of crap and don't want to own up to it.

[Librica (Ancient)]

Very little actual racism exists. Not saying it doesn't. Don't go there. But most of the racism against blacks that we know today stems out of this cultures behavior. Because ALOT of people treat it like a race thing. When it factually isn't, they treat whites who behave this way equally as bad without even realizing it.

I like how you completely dodged my request for evidence that racism doesn't cause this "culture."

It's almost like you know you're full of crap and don't want to own up to it.

Like you dodged providing evidence for your claim that racism started the culture?

Even if it did. It's irrelevant and I already stated why. Since you didn't notice. I'm questioning your intentions in this debate.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

And yet, the way it is being used still fits perfectly into my little paradigm.

I don't understand how. The culture is not "black". Culture is a non-racial affiliated term. It's generic, anyone of any race can be apart of it.

Technically, on a side note. Even if this culture did originate with blacks as a result of racism that does not make hatred of that culture racism. It just makes the culture itself racist.

Only, you are using it to mean black, no matter how much you deny it. You want to use "culture" to mean something neutral, then you can make your racist generalization about that "culture" instead of what you actually mean, race. No matter how much you try to distance yourself from the fact that you mean race, it is still apperant, because the rhetoric you use does not change, only now, you apply it on a much safer, and less prone to giving you away, topic, culture.

Let's use an example, because I am Asian, and therefore feel easier working with stereotype with my particular ethnicity:

The statement, 'Asians are miserly, tightfisted, parochial, and soullessly pragmatic' would be racist.

Let's see how we disguise this using your method, 'There is a culture of parochialness, miserliness, tightfistedness, and soulless pragmatism that not all Asian follow, but happens to have lots of Asians as its adherent'.

They both spew the same racist nonsense, only the latter one is long winded, and tries so hard to pretend not to be racist when it is.

As to your sidenote: What part of this 'destructive and violent' culture racist, if all races can partake in it equally (this is just another attempt of white people to get a tu quoque out of the whole race issue)?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

No, the racism is the one that claims that this culture (read: black people, but I'm too chickenshit to admit to my very obvious racism) is destructive and 'offensive', whatever that means, and that the fact that black people are economically disadvantaged is because they choose to adopt this 'destructive and offensive' culture, in other words, black people are economically disadvantaged because they choose to be.

Uhm, I think you need to reread the post lol.

I think you need a little introspection into your dark and racist heart. LOL.

[Mavorpen]

Like you dodged providing evidence for your claim that racism started the culture?

Woah, deja vu.

Actually, I didn't make a claim. I stated that someone ELSE made this claim in an argument and that you dodged it. YOU made the positive claim first that racism didn't cause it. Learn how the burden of proof works, please.

Even if it did. It's irrelevant and I already stated why. Since you didn't notice. I'm questioning your intentions in this debate.

Ah, so you don't have an actual argument. Not that I really expected any different.

[Librica (Ancient)]

I don't understand how. The culture is not "black". Culture is a non-racial affiliated term. It's generic, anyone of any race can be apart of it.

Technically, on a side note. Even if this culture did originate with blacks as a result of racism that does not make hatred of that culture racism. It just makes the culture itself racist.

Only, you are using it to mean black, no matter how much you deny it. You want to use "culture" to mean something neutral, then you can make your racist generalization about that "culture" instead of what you actually mean, race. No matter how much you try to distance yourself from the fact that you mean race, it is still apperant, because the rhetoric you use does not change, only now, you apply it on a much safer, and less prone to giving you away, topic, culture.

Let's use an example, because I am Asian, and therefore feel easier working with stereotype with my particular ethnicity:

The statement, 'Asians are miserly, tightfisted, parochial, and soullessly pragmatic' would be racist.

Let's see how we disguise this using your method, 'There is a culture of parochialness, miserliness, tightfistedness, and soulless pragmatism that not all Asian follow, but happens to have lots of Asians as its adherent'.

They both spew the same racist nonsense, only the latter one is long winded, and tries so hard to pretend not to be racist when it is.

As to your sidenote: What part of this 'destructive and violent' culture racist, if all races can partake in it equally (this is just another attempt of white people to get a tu quoque out of the whole race issue)?

That just does not work by definition. Your still connecting race with culture. They are not tied together. Having a lot of people of a particular race apart of a particular culture does that inherently associate that culture to that race.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Then read it again.

No, you didn't. That's how I know you didn't read the thread.

It is actually hilarious that you think this would allow you to talk about living as a racial minority on equal standing with a member of a racial minority. In fact it's not hilarious, it's sad. You don't know what it feels like to receive hostile service because you're black. You don't know what it's like to have stereotypes applied to you because you're asian. You don't know what it's like to be suspected as an illegal immigrant because you don't speak english. You have comparatively no idea.

As long as by "discuss" you mean listen when it's your turn to do so. Which would be a lot of the time, by the sounds of it.

Is this irony? Don't be bring other groups into it. I may disagree with you but I at least thought you would know better. Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian. You being a minority doesn't mean you are representative of all minorities. I don't go around talking about the experiences of African Americans as if I know because I am also another minority.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what it's like to be asian lmao. Did you just assume that I was black because I got angry or something? Fucking shameful

Anyway, anybody who experiences racial discrimination is equally qualified to have an opinion on it. Any idea that blacks can't stand up for asians or that latinos can't stand up for native americans because they don't speak for another groups is pure bullshit. And yes, that includes when whites stand up for other races. The only catch is that you don't try and tell other people how they really feel.

[Librica (Ancient)]

Like you dodged providing evidence for your claim that racism started the culture?

Woah, deja vu.

Actually, I didn't make a claim. I stated that someone ELSE made this claim in an argument and that you dodged it. YOU made the positive claim first that racism didn't cause it. Learn how the burden of proof works, please.

Even if it did. It's irrelevant and I already stated why. Since you didn't notice. I'm questioning your intentions in this debate.

Ah, so you don't have an actual argument. Not that I really expected any different.

I don't see this claim. Where is it.

No I don't have an argument because the subject is irrelevant.

Edit: Since your all so obsessed with making this debate about me and accusing me of being a racist when I've clearly stated that I am not and that I personally know and believe that it is a cultural issue not tied to race...lets have a little history lesson.

I was raised by a racist family, to be a racist. I was a racist. I hated black people because they were black because I was raised under the assumption that all blacks were bad.

Then I joined the Navy. I got to know a lot of black people. And it hit me, it's not about their color. These here are blacks who are smart, hard working people who've never been subjected to that bad way of life. I was blown away. Now I realize that it's just a cultural thing, and I no longer see color. Just the way people act.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Yeah, didn't you know that slavery was justified via blacks using drugs and listening to their hippity hop?

Very little actual racism exists. Not saying it doesn't. Don't go there. But most of the racism against blacks that we know today stems out of this cultures behavior. Because ALOT of people treat it like a race thing. When it factually isn't, they treat whites who behave this way equally as bad without even realizing it.

I love it when people who have never experienced racism try and tell say that racism doesn't actually exist.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Only, you are using it to mean black, no matter how much you deny it. You want to use "culture" to mean something neutral, then you can make your racist generalization about that "culture" instead of what you actually mean, race. No matter how much you try to distance yourself from the fact that you mean race, it is still apperant, because the rhetoric you use does not change, only now, you apply it on a much safer, and less prone to giving you away, topic, culture.

Let's use an example, because I am Asian, and therefore feel easier working with stereotype with my particular ethnicity:

The statement, 'Asians are miserly, tightfisted, parochial, and soullessly pragmatic' would be racist.

Let's see how we disguise this using your method, 'There is a culture of parochialness, miserliness, tightfistedness, and soulless pragmatism that not all Asian follow, but happens to have lots of Asians as its adherent'.

They both spew the same racist nonsense, only the latter one is long winded, and tries so hard to pretend not to be racist when it is.

As to your sidenote: What part of this 'destructive and violent' culture racist, if all races can partake in it equally (this is just another attempt of white people to get a tu quoque out of the whole race issue)?

That just does not work by definition. Your still connecting race with culture. They are not tied together. Having a lot of people of a particular race apart of a particular culture does that inherently associate that culture to that race.

I'm pointing out that you are using "culture" to mean "race", and then use the dictionary definition of the world culture to weasel your way out of your obvious racism. That you merely choose to repeat your irrelevant point just shows your dishonesty along with your racism.

[Mavorpen]

I don't see this claim. Where is it.

Did you already forget that YOU brought up a black person presenting an argument about racism causing this "culture" and then denying it in that same post and presenting a red herring claiming that the "culture" causes the racism without providing an explanation for what causes the "culture"?

It hasn't even been an hour yet.

No I don't have an argument because the subject is irrelevant.

And yet, you brought it up.

But thanks for admitting your regurgitation of racist statements has no basis in actual fact.