Segregated Bathrooms: A Problem?

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

Appealing to tradition is fallacious.

Through logic. Sadly, people are irrational. Appeal to tradition has sway over many people, and can be percieved as "proper".

People being uncomfortable using a bathroom shared by people of other genders does not mean that those bathrooms lack privacy. It just means they're uncomfortable in that situation. Some people are uncomfortable using public bathrooms at all.

True. Given how subjective "privacy" is, it can still be applied in this sense.

Women aren't going to get pregnant from using a tampon in a bathroom in which a man masturbated. I'm a little surprised that anyone would think that could happen.

It's possible, as in it's not gonna happen all the time and frequently.

Anyway, furthering this conversation is pretty much redundant at this point. You don't need to reply anymore, as I won't.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

Appealing to tradition is fallacious.

Through logic. Sadly, people are irrational. Appeal to tradition has sway over many people, and can be percieved as "proper".

People being uncomfortable using a bathroom shared by people of other genders does not mean that those bathrooms lack privacy. It just means they're uncomfortable in that situation. Some people are uncomfortable using public bathrooms at all.

True. Given how subjective "privacy" is, it can still be applied in this sense.

Women aren't going to get pregnant from using a tampon in a bathroom in which a man masturbated. I'm a little surprised that anyone would think that could happen.

It's possible, as in it's not gonna happen all the time and frequently.

Anyway, furthering this conversation is pretty much redundant at this point. You don't need to reply anymore, as I won't.

Goodnight.

[Kassaran]

I don't usually post on NSG, but when I do, it is to something as meaningless as this.

Seriously, someone make this an NS Issue we get, this doesn't even seem like something to be taken entirely seriously.

Main complaint is that somehow 'unfairness' because men and women utilize separate facilities. Let me run you down on some basics here.

Your whole issue with wait time and how 'unfair' it is for women to have to wait longer? That's not a sexist issue, it's an anatomy issue. Suddenly you're offended because men literally can just walk-in and walk-out of their facilities and you can't? Suddenly because you're offended, you figure many others must be, or can be, and thus you must remove offense by inconveniencing both genders sexes now?

Your average wait time won't change for women (it might even rise) and the wait time for men will obviously rise. Tear out urinals you say? Do you have no idea why they're there?

You know those walk-in-walk-out speed times men have? Yeah, it's because of those things. In fact, we might even have less stalls then women because we can just spam those on any old wall and be fine.

Alright, so let's just skip past the inconveniences to men, because obviously this isn't what you care about. You've brought up this issue as a means of further inconveniencing them, lowering the quality of life for men instead of raising it for women (which is almost always the wrong way to go about equalizing two unequal demographics).

Women, they tend to be cleaner than men, they care about cleaning up after one another and don't find much humor in leaving behind a big Stanley-Steamer for the next victim of the porcelain throne to appreciate. Men will do that. Mark my words, you leave them the option to inconvenience women by doing shit (literally) like that, and they'll take it because its amusing. Not because they're oppressive, sexists who want for nothing else than the total enslavement of women. rather, they'll do it because they're men.

Oh, wait, you don't want them to do that? Let's bring about a completely unenforceable law or public ordnance requiring men to respect- god I can't even keep a straight face while typing this. You've not only brought about the potential for wasting public money on restructuring a building instead of optimizing it and then enacting enforcement protocols for ensuring society doesn't ruin it, that I think the taxpayers will think twice.

Okay, okay, back on track... let's say somehow you get this unisex facility to work, it's built, you've torn out all of the urinals (because screw the male populace and their inconveniently convenient toys, make 'em wait with the women), and now you've ended your first day of service. Two things immediately might stand out. Either women will refuse to use the restroom in general, meaning men will still receive lower wait times or men will refuse to use the terminal and women might as well have had their own place originally. Why is this? Well, let's just leave it at hygiene issues. I saw that issue brought up earlier, perhaps in the time it's taken me to write this all out it's been killed and beaten into a mush...

In short, with today's culture? With today's demographics? Most of all, with today's crime rates? Yeah, it's a nice dream, but that's all it can be. Let's be honest here, how many of us are on NS? How many of us are on Tumblr? How many of us (and note I'm saying us as in Humans) are willing to be open-minded? Out of 7 billion people on this planet, I'm going to say not enough. In fact, I'm going to say it'd be healthily under the needed 50, nay, 60% you'd need to make this idea feasible.

EDIT: Also, excellent, I got reply no. 777!

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

I don't see a problem with segregated bathrooms, women and men should have their own public bathrooms.

[Ifreann]

Appealing to tradition is fallacious.

Through logic. Sadly, people are irrational. Appeal to tradition has sway over many people, and can be percieved as "proper".

Which just makes those people wrong.

People being uncomfortable using a bathroom shared by people of other genders does not mean that those bathrooms lack privacy. It just means they're uncomfortable in that situation. Some people are uncomfortable using public bathrooms at all.

True. Given how subjective "privacy" is, it can still be applied in this sense.

I really don't see how.

Women aren't going to get pregnant from using a tampon in a bathroom in which a man masturbated. I'm a little surprised that anyone would think that could happen.

It's possible, as in it's not gonna happen all the time and frequently.

I really don't think it is possible.

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...Women, they tend to be cleaner than men, they care about cleaning up after one another and don't find much humor in leaving behind a big Stanley-Steamer for the next victim of the porcelain throne to appreciate. Men will do that. Mark my words, you leave them the option to inconvenience women by doing shit (literally) like that, and they'll take it because its amusing. Not because they're oppressive, sexists who want for nothing else than the total enslavement of women. rather, they'll do it because they're men.

As a man I find this generalisation insulting. If you don't care about cleaning up after yourself or if you find it amusing not to flush the toilet then please don't assume that this is true of all other men.

...In short, with today's culture? With today's demographics? Most of all, with today's crime rates?

Aren't crime rates lower than they have been in decades? And what about today's cultures and demographics?

Yeah, it's a nice dream, but that's all it can be. Let's be honest here, how many of us are on NS? How many of us are on Tumblr? How many of us (and note I'm saying us as in Humans) are willing to be open-minded? Out of 7 billion people on this planet, I'm going to say not enough. In fact, I'm going to say it'd be healthily under the needed 50, nay, 60% you'd need to make this idea feasible.

What on Earth are you basing this on?

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I don't see a problem with segregated bathrooms, women and men should have their own public bathrooms.

Why?

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

Through logic. Sadly, people are irrational. Appeal to tradition has sway over many people, and can be percieved as "proper".

Which just makes those people wrong.

People being uncomfortable using a bathroom shared by people of other genders does not mean that those bathrooms lack privacy. It just means they're uncomfortable in that situation. Some people are uncomfortable using public bathrooms at all.

True. Given how subjective "privacy" is, it can still be applied in this sense.

I really don't see how.

Women aren't going to get pregnant from using a tampon in a bathroom in which a man masturbated. I'm a little surprised that anyone would think that could happen.

It's possible, as in it's not gonna happen all the time and frequently.

I really don't think it is possible.

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...Women, they tend to be cleaner than men, they care about cleaning up after one another and don't find much humor in leaving behind a big Stanley-Steamer for the next victim of the porcelain throne to appreciate. Men will do that. Mark my words, you leave them the option to inconvenience women by doing shit (literally) like that, and they'll take it because its amusing. Not because they're oppressive, sexists who want for nothing else than the total enslavement of women. rather, they'll do it because they're men.

As a man I find this generalisation insulting. If you don't care about cleaning up after yourself or if you find it amusing not to flush the toilet then please don't assume that this is true of all other men.

...In short, with today's culture? With today's demographics? Most of all, with today's crime rates?

Aren't crime rates lower than they have been in decades? And what about today's cultures and demographics?

Yeah, it's a nice dream, but that's all it can be. Let's be honest here, how many of us are on NS? How many of us are on Tumblr? How many of us (and note I'm saying us as in Humans) are willing to be open-minded? Out of 7 billion people on this planet, I'm going to say not enough. In fact, I'm going to say it'd be healthily under the needed 50, nay, 60% you'd need to make this idea feasible.

What on Earth are you basing this on?

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I don't see a problem with segregated bathrooms, women and men should have their own public bathrooms.

Why?

Because, men should have complete privacy from the opposite gender in bathrooms, the same for women.

[Grave_n_idle]

As a man I find this generalisation insulting. If you don't care about cleaning up after yourself or if you find it amusing not to flush the toilet then please don't assume that this is true of all other men.

Indeed. I don't feel represented by the behaviours some people seem to be claiming are intrinsic in my gender.

Personally, I'm capable of using a bathroom in a civilised fashion.

[Ifreann]

Which just makes those people wrong.


I really don't see how.


I really don't think it is possible.

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As a man I find this generalisation insulting. If you don't care about cleaning up after yourself or if you find it amusing not to flush the toilet then please don't assume that this is true of all other men.


Aren't crime rates lower than they have been in decades? And what about today's cultures and demographics?

What on Earth are you basing this on?

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Why?

Because, men should have complete privacy from the opposite gender in bathrooms, the same for women.

Again, why?

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As a man I find this generalisation insulting. If you don't care about cleaning up after yourself or if you find it amusing not to flush the toilet then please don't assume that this is true of all other men.

Indeed. I don't feel represented by the behaviours some people seem to be claiming are intrinsic in my gender.

Personally, I'm capable of using a bathroom in a civilised fashion.

I'll admit to some vandalism in my youth, but that's on me, not on everyone who is like me in one particular way.

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

Because, men should have complete privacy from the opposite gender in bathrooms, the same for women.

Again, why?

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Indeed. I don't feel represented by the behaviours some people seem to be claiming are intrinsic in my gender.

Personally, I'm capable of using a bathroom in a civilised fashion.

I'll admit to some vandalism in my youth, but that's on me, not on everyone who is like me in one particular way.

Because women should do their bathroom business in their own bathroom, where the other gender can't disturb them, the same is for men.

[Ifreann]

Again, why?

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I'll admit to some vandalism in my youth, but that's on me, not on everyone who is like me in one particular way.

Because women should do their bathroom business in their own bathroom, where the other gender can't disturb them, the same is for men.

But why? Why can men and women not take a shit in different stalls in the same room? How would either of them be disturbed? How are either of them lacking privacy?

[Dyakovo]

Because, men should have complete privacy from the opposite gender in bathrooms, the same for women.

Unisex restrooms don't reduce privacy.

[Jamzmania]

Because, men should have complete privacy from the opposite gender in bathrooms, the same for women.

Unisex restrooms don't reduce privacy.

They reduce privacy from the other gender.

[Ifreann]

Unisex restrooms don't reduce privacy.

They reduce privacy from the other gender.

They don't, though.

[Grave_n_idle]

Because women should do their bathroom business in their own bathroom, where the other gender can't disturb them, the same is for men.

Why?

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, it's just a fairly recent phenomenon. Romans used communal toilets where men and women both shared the facilities in large rooms of up to a hundred people, with no dividers or cubicles... so it's not like it's an objective truth.

[Jamzmania]

They reduce privacy from the other gender.

They don't, though.

They certainly do. Where before there were two separate rooms, they now mingle in the same room.

[Redsection]

Is this as thorough a refutation as we can expect from you?

Perhaps you'd like to reiterate your oh-so-important reasons for tearing down the current, well-established system, a system accepted by the vast majority of people with few real problems that could be fixed by unisex bathrooms?

[Dyakovo]

Unisex restrooms don't reduce privacy.

They reduce privacy from the other gender.

No, they don't.

[Redsection]

Because women should do their bathroom business in their own bathroom, where the other gender can't disturb them, the same is for men.

Why?

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, it's just a fairly recent phenomenon. Romans used communal toilets where men and women both shared the facilities in large rooms of up to a hundred people, with no dividers or cubicles... so it's not like it's an objective truth.

We are not roman,times are different and their religion was one on being well let's say sultry.

[Dyakovo]

They don't, though.

They certainly do. Where before there were two separate rooms, they now mingle in the same room.

Are you afraid of having a woman see you wash your hands?

[Redsection]

They certainly do. Where before there were two separate rooms, they now mingle in the same room.

Are you afraid of having a woman see you wash your hands?

I'm gonna be frank,there are women who are sluts and men who are dogs.

[Dyakovo]

Why?

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, it's just a fairly recent phenomenon. Romans used communal toilets where men and women both shared the facilities in large rooms of up to a hundred people, with no dividers or cubicles... so it's not like it's an objective truth.

We are not roman,times are different and their religion was one on being well let's say sultry.

So we're inferior to the Romans?

[Dyakovo]

Are you afraid of having a woman see you wash your hands?

I'm gonna be frank,there are women who are sluts and men who are dogs.

Well, Frank, I don't see how that is relevant...

[Redsection]

We are not roman,times are different and their religion was one on being well let's say sultry.

So we're inferior to the Romans?

Well if you think so that's you.

[Redsection]

I'm gonna be frank,there are women who are sluts and men who are dogs.

Well, Frank, I don't see how that is relevant...

(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/frank)

[Grave_n_idle]

Why?

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, it's just a fairly recent phenomenon. Romans used communal toilets where men and women both shared the facilities in large rooms of up to a hundred people, with no dividers or cubicles... so it's not like it's an objective truth.

We are not roman,times are different and their religion was one on being well let's say sultry.

I didn't say we were Romans - I used them as an example that this 'should' idea of GGFR's is not an objective truth.

Regarding 'sultry' Romans - if you've read any Martial, the suggestion seems to be that people gathered together to use the facilities for some purely utilitarian reasons (centralised sanitation being easier, and made toilets more available) - but also for purely social reasons - they appear to have gathered together and socialised. Not sure that's 'sultry'.

And while times are different - if men and women COULD share facilities without incidence in Rome... why can't they now?