Segregated Bathrooms: A Problem?

[Redsection]

im just gonna say,we will never fuse the mens room with the womens room. We already have something called this btw.

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[United States of Conner]

No. Agender/trans toilets, as in a single bathroom behind a locked door, I'm all for adding that to the current system. But clowning around with some idea to "desegregate teh bafrooms" and "liberate the womens" from wait time is ridiculous, especially when 99% of the time it's a non-issue.

[Dyakovo]

Why?

The idea of it,when i go into the mens room i dont expect a woman to walk in behind me and sit in the stall near me because it is untraditional and bleh. Men belong in the mens room,women in the womens.

And both men and women belong in unisex restrooms...
Seriously, "it's traditional" is a lousy argument.

[Ifreann]

It's called lifting the seat. And somehow, pee manages to get on the seats in womens' restrooms, too, so I doubt these men would somehow lern 2 aim instead of just making a mess.

Anyhow, no urinals, no deal.

The complaints from women about how men should sit also rubs me the wrong way. If a similar complaint were made about women, I doubt we'd hear the end of it.

That's because the inverse would make no sense.

Men can sit to pee with no significant problem, but women can't realistically use urinals.

I've seen a woman using a urinal. It was highly undignified and I wouldn't expect people would do it barring pressing need and the influence of alcohol.

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Segregated toilets are not a problem. Never were and likely never will be. This is, of course, another fabricated issue. One enters into the room to use the toilet and then one leaves. They are separated for matters of sanitation...

...what?

[Dyakovo]

they are different in terms of the wait times and the equipment

Well men and women require different things. I've never heard a woman complain that she never gets to use a urinal.

Men don't require urinals.

[Dyakovo]

Wouldn't unisex bathrooms just make wait times longer for both genders...?

Also, it would make people uncomfortable to share facilities with people of the different gender.

They'd get over it.

[Ifreann]

Also, it would make people uncomfortable to share facilities with people of the different gender.

They'd get over it.

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

[Redsection]

The idea of it,when i go into the mens room i dont expect a woman to walk in behind me and sit in the stall near me because it is untraditional and bleh. Men belong in the mens room,women in the womens.

And both men and women belong in unisex restrooms...
Seriously, "it's traditional" is a lousy argument.

Invalid. You want a unisex bathroom go into the already designed unisex bathroom.

[Ifreann]

And both men and women belong in unisex restrooms...
Seriously, "it's traditional" is a lousy argument.

Invalid. You want a unisex bathroom go into the already designed unisex bathroom.

How is pointing out that appealing to tradition is a lousy argument invalid?

[Dyakovo]

They'd get over it.

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

Apparently...
Western society appears to be an extremely fragile thing... It seems like there's no llimit to the things that will cause it to collapse.

[Ifreann]

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

Apparently...
Western society appears to be an extremely fragile thing... It seems like there's no llimit to the things that will cause it to collapse.

It's held together with chewing gum and prayers.

[Kvatchdom]

They'd get over it.

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

How will unisex bathrooms fix any problems in the west though?

[Redsection]

Invalid. You want a unisex bathroom go into the already designed unisex bathroom.

How is pointing out that appealing to tradition is a lousy argument invalid?

So is pointing out wait times,and etc

[Neutraligon]

Also, it would make people uncomfortable to share facilities with people of the different gender.

They'd get over it.

Especially since as children we do tend to use the bathroom of different parents. I know I went into the mens room with my dad (and changed in the men's changing room) and there are plenty of male children who do the same with their mom. No one seems to have a problem with little boys in the woman's room (or running around naked in the changing room), nor do men seem to have much of an issue with little girls in the men's room (or with little girls running around naked in the changing room).

[Redsection]

They'd get over it.

Especially since as children we do tend to use the bathroom of different parents. I know I went into the mens room with my dad (and changed in the men's changing room) and there are plenty of male children who do the same with their mom. No one seems to have a problem with little boys in the woman's room (or running around naked in the changing room), nor do men seem to have much of an issue with little girls in the men's room (or with little girls running around naked in the changing room).

A child is innocent.

[Neutraligon]

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

How will unisex bathrooms fix any problems in the west though?

Well for one it means trans individuals will stop having to worry about it. When people get used to it who will care if there is a "man" in the bathroom or a "woman" in the bathroom. It won't matter if they pass or not since both sexes will be using the same restroom anyway.

[Neutraligon]

Especially since as children we do tend to use the bathroom of different parents. I know I went into the mens room with my dad (and changed in the men's changing room) and there are plenty of male children who do the same with their mom. No one seems to have a problem with little boys in the woman's room (or running around naked in the changing room), nor do men seem to have much of an issue with little girls in the men's room (or with little girls running around naked in the changing room).

A child is innocent.

...And this is supposed to contradict my statement how? As children we are already used to using whatever restroom the parent who is with us is, ow hard would it be to simply extend that to people older than say...8. It is only later that we start to grow to think we should be segregated when we use the bathroom.

[Ifreann]

But if we stop enforcing unnecessary differences between people different genders then Western society will collapse!

How will unisex bathrooms fix any problems in the west though?

Trans people will get less hassle about using the "wrong" bathroom. It'll also help further the cause of equality to do away with a wholly unnecessary practice of treating people differently based on their gender.

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How is pointing out that appealing to tradition is a lousy argument invalid?

So is pointing out wait times,and etc

Are you seriously defending your lousy argument by saying that other people made other lousy arguments?

[Neutraligon]

Am I the only one who spent significant periods of time in the restroom of the opposite sex as child? I didn't start thinking it was odd until later when I was told I was a big girl who could go to the girls changing room on my own. (I remember being very proud of being allowed to go through the changing room on my own). I will mention I found it odd that the women's room had separate showers while the men's changing room had no dividers for the shower.


As an aside, don't most urinals now have privacy wings that create a sorta divider? Why not just use those types of urinals. It's not like the male butt is all that different from the female butt.

[Dyakovo]

Am I the only one who spent significant periods of time in the restroom of the opposite sex as child? I didn't start thinking it was odd until later when I was told I was a big girl who could go to the girls changing room on my own. (I remember being very proud of being allowed to go through the changing room on my own). I will mention I found it odd that the women's room had separate showers while the men's changing room had no dividers for the shower.

Nope. I don't recall going anywhere in public with my father, so there was a lot of going to the women's restroom with my mum until it was decided that I was old enough to go on my own.

[Ifreann]

Am I the only one who spent significant periods of time in the restroom of the opposite sex as child? I didn't start thinking it was odd until later when I was told I was a big girl who could go to the girls changing room on my own. (I remember being very proud of being allowed to go through the changing room on my own).

Not significant, but on at least one occasion when I was younger when I went to a public pool with my mother, sister, two other girls, and their mother. Being too young to be left on my own I just used the women's changing room with all of them. I don't recall anyone seeming to care that there was a boy present.

[New Babylonia]

Am I the only one who spent significant periods of time in the restroom of the opposite sex as child? I didn't start thinking it was odd until later when I was told I was a big girl who could go to the girls changing room on my own. (I remember being very proud of being allowed to go through the changing room on my own). I will mention I found it odd that the women's room had separate showers while the men's changing room had no dividers for the shower.


As an aside, don't most urinals now have privacy wings that create a sorta divider? Why not just use those types of urinals. It's not like the male butt is all that different from the female butt.

Not at all. As my father left when i was 4, and was terrible before that, you can imagine when in a public place i often had to go with my mother to the bathroom, and of course this was the women's bathroom. It didn't bother me at all. To this day, especially in new places, i still accidentally walk into a women's bathroom. The only reason i get a worried look on my face and dart so goddamn quick, is that i am (at least for now) still pretty damn obviously male, and. Well. Shy people don't like doing anything that might get attention, at least in my case.

Of course by some of what i said above, you might have guessed, and would be correct in doing so that i am trans myself, genderfluid to be exact. That being said, it probably doesn't surprise anyone that if not for all the social nonsense that would happen if i did, i wouldn't honestly care if i walked into a mens or womens bathroom. I just need to take a piss for Harmony's sake, and move on. As long as there isn't a rapist or some other lunatic who mugs people in bathrooms (not... sure why, anyone would do that, but. Well. America.) then why does it matter?

Even with rape culture existing as it does, the majority of men still aren't rapists. Absolute perverts who have a little trouble controlling their eyes and mouths at time, sure. But too my knowledge both of those, especially the latter, is a crime. And somehow, i don't think a woman will be at much more risk for being harassed in a unisex bathroom than she would walking the street.

I've had the pleasure of seeing and using unisex bathrooms, even. They were of course flanked by gender segregated ones, but still. Believe it or not, there were both men and women in there, a couple even changing their children with smaller ones at their legs. Not a single person even noticed, let alone cared, that i entered. To be completely honest, i think it was used more than the segregated ones. That might be because it was bigger and had more toilets, but if thats the case - doesn't that mean the majority of people REALLY don't care and just need a place to relieve themselves without going home and not having to do it in a bush?

For people talking about seeing tampons, grow up. Seriously. I saw a used condom on my school playground in 6th grade. The people who found, were 5th grade girls. Now personally, i think that's equally if not more disturbing than a used tampon, at least for most. And yet we all kind of gave each other this quirky smiles, laughed, and simply told the teachers.

If TEN YEAR OLD girls, who by the way were well aware of what they were looking at, can handle seeing a used condom on a playground without vomitting or having their day ruined, i don't think seeing a tampon will hurt you. If it does, see a doctor, and mature a bit.

[Anagonia]

Oooh boy...with how twisted society has become, I'm sure this'll be law soon.

I suppose sex in public bathrooms will be easier to come across. Or Rape. But it'll be the straight "cisgender" peoples fault, definitely not the Tumblr movement with thousands of odd, weird psychologically influenced sexes that people make up to feel important about themselves.

Alternatively, I'm for *adding* a restroom for those few among the populace with box sexes, but I'd make it so *either* sex can use said restroom since people using it would be at a minimum.

[Ifreann]

Oooh boy...with how twisted society has become, I'm sure this'll be law soon.

What makes you so sure? I'm not aware of any movement to legislate on this.

I suppose sex in public bathrooms will be easier to come across. Or Rape.

Why would it be easier? People who want to have sex or rape someone in a public bathroom aren't going to be deterred by a sign on the door.

But it'll be the straight "cisgender" peoples fault, definitely not the Tumblr movement with thousands of odd, weird psychologically influenced sexes that people make up to feel important about themselves.

Yes, you're the real victim here.

Alternatively, I'm for *adding* a restroom for those few among the populace with box sexes, but I'd make it so *either* sex can use said restroom since people using it would be at a minimum.

It would be far easier to just designate men's and women's bathrooms as unisex.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

I'm all for combined public bathrooms, given that they are not also shower rooms or locker rooms.

It may be possible that if combined shower rooms and locker rooms were legal, then there may be an increase in incidents of accused sexual harassment. Many people would probably not be confident in showing their nude bodies to the opposite sex, given that there are no changing stalls and the like.