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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:16 am

Razkatto wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Oh, I thought you were doing another "lolfeminists" bit, but you're doing the fallacy of relative privation.

Well, if you think it's more important to talk about threat's to women's life than to talk about unisex bathrooms then what are you doing here spending time talking about what we are talking about? Shouldn't you be spending your time on more important things? Or are you an over-sensitive minority engaging in tomfoolery?

You, I like you.

Everyone does.
Well done pointing out a logical fallacy as I am usually the one doing so myself.

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Honestly, I do give support to the community and to international relief efforts as well. I give money to my church "in which I believe Women should be allowed to minister, and they are." I have participated in missions to help feed the poor and gone to the homeless centers of town and participated in food kitchens. I would attempt to give support to the poor women overseas but unfortunately I do not know of any charities which I can donate to. Honestly, if you know of any please share them!

Bully for you. You're still criticising people for not spending time on more important things, which itself constitutes not spending time on more important things.

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Postby Razkatto » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Razkatto wrote:You, I like you.

Everyone does.
Well done pointing out a logical fallacy as I am usually the one doing so myself.

Pointing out logical fallacies is the national pastime of NSG.
Honestly, I do give support to the community and to international relief efforts as well. I give money to my church "in which I believe Women should be allowed to minister, and they are." I have participated in missions to help feed the poor and gone to the homeless centers of town and participated in food kitchens. I would attempt to give support to the poor women overseas but unfortunately I do not know of any charities which I can donate to. Honestly, if you know of any please share them!

Bully for you. You're still criticising people for not spending time on more important things, which itself constitutes not spending time on more important things.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy though.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:20 am

Razkatto wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Everyone does.

Pointing out logical fallacies is the national pastime of NSG.

Bully for you. You're still criticising people for not spending time on more important things, which itself constitutes not spending time on more important things.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy though.

So if it is acceptable for people to spend time on less important things then you have no basis upon which to criticise people for posting in this thread.

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Postby Razkatto » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Razkatto wrote:All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy though.

So if it is acceptable for people to spend time on less important things then you have no basis upon which to criticise people for posting in this thread.

Is this not a classic case of the following?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:41 am

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Ifreann wrote:So if it is acceptable for people to spend time on less important things then you have no basis upon which to criticise people for posting in this thread.

Is this not a classic case of the following?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

No. Refutations of your fallacious criticism have already been provided, I feel no need to repeat them.

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Postby Razkatto » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Razkatto wrote:Is this not a classic case of the following?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

No. Refutations of your fallacious criticism have already been provided, I feel no need to repeat them.

What did you do to refute my claims? Other than tell me that I was wrong because I wasn't following my own doctrine. Which again, is an appeal to Hypocrisy. I already stated that according to classic western moral values, human life trumps the struggle to desegregate bathrooms. I say classic as the new breed of "morality" we are facing today is primarily degeneracy. But I digress. This argument is pointless as we both stand firmly on opposite sides of the political and moral fence.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:48 am

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Ifreann wrote:No. Refutations of your fallacious criticism have already been provided, I feel no need to repeat them.

What did you do to refute my claims? Other than tell me that I was wrong because I wasn't following my own doctrine. Which again, is an appeal to Hypocrisy.

There are other posters than me.
I already stated that according to classic western moral values, human life trumps the struggle to desegregate bathrooms. I say classic as the new breed of "morality" we are facing today is primarily degeneracy. But I digress. This argument is pointless as we both stand firmly on opposite sides of the political and moral fence.

Then I don't think I'll bother any more.

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Postby Razkatto » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Razkatto wrote:What did you do to refute my claims? Other than tell me that I was wrong because I wasn't following my own doctrine. Which again, is an appeal to Hypocrisy.

There are other posters than me.
I already stated that according to classic western moral values, human life trumps the struggle to desegregate bathrooms. I say classic as the new breed of "morality" we are facing today is primarily degeneracy. But I digress. This argument is pointless as we both stand firmly on opposite sides of the political and moral fence.

Then I don't think I'll bother any more.

What say we put all that unpleasantness behind us then.
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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:46 pm

Now how has this argument been going?
*Checks*
Yep, only complimenting each other as expected.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:11 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:Now how has this argument been going?
*Checks*
Yep, only complimenting each other as expected.

We tend to do that when we are objectively mathematically and unequivocally correct.

I mean, given i said "2 + 2 = 4" and you screamed "nuh uh!!!", we felt justified in mocking the "nuh uh" posts. Because they were funny, and this is NSG.
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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:Now how has this argument been going?
*Checks*
Yep, only complimenting each other as expected.

We tend to do that when we are objectively mathematically and unequivocally correct.

I mean, given i said "2 + 2 = 4" and you screamed "nuh uh!!!", we felt justified in mocking the "nuh uh" posts. Because they were funny, and this is NSG.

I mean, I didn't mind your math, but your logic was well, flawed.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:24 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Galloism wrote:We tend to do that when we are objectively mathematically and unequivocally correct.

I mean, given i said "2 + 2 = 4" and you screamed "nuh uh!!!", we felt justified in mocking the "nuh uh" posts. Because they were funny, and this is NSG.

I mean, I didn't mind your math, but your logic was well, flawed.


Describe in specifics how the logic was flawed.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:26 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Galloism wrote:We tend to do that when we are objectively mathematically and unequivocally correct.

I mean, given i said "2 + 2 = 4" and you screamed "nuh uh!!!", we felt justified in mocking the "nuh uh" posts. Because they were funny, and this is NSG.

I mean, I didn't mind your math, but your logic was well, flawed.

There is nothing flawed in my logic as regards to efficiency pointed out so far, by you or anybody else.

Not saying my logic is always 100% flawless, but given your inability or unwillingness to point it out, I reject your assertion that it's flawed. If I don't see a flaw, and you can't seem to find a flaw, there may very well not be one. Lack of evidence for presence infers absence.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:I mean, I didn't mind your math, but your logic was well, flawed.

There is nothing flawed in my logic as regards to efficiency pointed out so far, by you or anybody else.

Not saying my logic is always 100% flawless, but given your inability or unwillingness to point it out, I reject your assertion that it's flawed. If I don't see a flaw, and you can't seem to find a flaw, there may very well not be one. Lack of evidence for presence infers absence.
Neutraligon wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:I mean, I didn't mind your math, but your logic was well, flawed.

You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.
Describe in specifics how the logic was flawed.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:31 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Galloism wrote:There is nothing flawed in my logic as regards to efficiency pointed out so far, by you or anybody else.

Not saying my logic is always 100% flawless, but given your inability or unwillingness to point it out, I reject your assertion that it's flawed. If I don't see a flaw, and you can't seem to find a flaw, there may very well not be one. Lack of evidence for presence infers absence.
Neutraligon wrote:You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.
Describe in specifics how the logic was flawed.

Well, I mean, it's technically possible.
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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:32 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:

Well, I mean, it's technically possible.

How? Explain.
ANd, I just wrote inside his quote. Oops.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:33 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.

A bathroom with roughly 60 stalls/urinals could clear out 500 people in 25 minutes.

That's not really a logic flaw, but a question of scale. I could have just as easily said 3 unisex bathrooms with 20 stalls/urinals each could clear 500 people in 25 minutes. Or 5 unisex bathrooms with 12 stalls/urinals each.

That's how math works.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:34 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Galloism wrote:There is nothing flawed in my logic as regards to efficiency pointed out so far, by you or anybody else.

Not saying my logic is always 100% flawless, but given your inability or unwillingness to point it out, I reject your assertion that it's flawed. If I don't see a flaw, and you can't seem to find a flaw, there may very well not be one. Lack of evidence for presence infers absence.
Neutraligon wrote:You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.
Describe in specifics how the logic was flawed.


I just did a search of the thread for 25 and found nothing with Gallo saying that it would take 25 minutes to clear 500 people. I am sure you can provide a link to Gallos post saying this.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:35 pm

Galloism wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.

A bathroom with roughly 60 stalls/urinals could clear out 500 people in 25 minutes.

That's not really a logic flaw, but a question of scale. I could have just as easily said 3 unisex bathrooms with 20 stalls/urinals each could clear 500 people in 25 minutes. Or 5 unisex bathrooms with 12 stalls/urinals each.

That's how math works.


Don't use your fancy mathematics to muddy the issue!

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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:35 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:


I just did a search of the thread for 25 and found nothing with Gallo saying that it would take 25 minutes to clear 500 people. I am sure you can provide a link to Gallos post saying this.

Gallo said he did. Ask him.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:36 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I just did a search of the thread for 25 and found nothing with Gallo saying that it would take 25 minutes to clear 500 people. I am sure you can provide a link to Gallos post saying this.

Gallo said he did. Ask him.


I take it your against bathroom desegregation?
What's your argument.

That Gallo said something you think was dumb?
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I'm not sure how to respond to that.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:37 pm

Grand Nicholia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I just did a search of the thread for 25 and found nothing with Gallo saying that it would take 25 minutes to clear 500 people. I am sure you can provide a link to Gallos post saying this.

Gallo said he did. Ask him.


Then I am sure you can link the post where Gallo did so.
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Postby Grand Nicholia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:38 pm

Galloism wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:You literally thought that one bathroom could clear out 500 PEOPLE in 25 MINUTES.

A bathroom with roughly 60 stalls/urinals could clear out 500 people in 25 minutes.

That's not really a logic flaw, but a question of scale. I could have just as easily said 3 unisex bathrooms with 20 stalls/urinals each could clear 500 people in 25 minutes. Or 5 unisex bathrooms with 12 stalls/urinals each.

That's how math works.

I want you to prove your mathematical theory Even than, 60 stalls is not enough. It would still leave a remainder, and if more people come since it is such a large stadium, you would need to have a bigger bathroom. Also, 60 stalls is gargantuan!
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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Grand Nicholia wrote:Gallo said he did. Ask him.


Then I am sure you can link the post where Gallo did so.

I did say so, but the post had a couple of poor assumptions regarding average time spent in bathrooms. Largely, however, the principle remains sound.

Unisex bathrooms are much more efficient than single sex bathrooms when there's any major gender disparity in clientele.
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