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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:55 am

It is commonly taught that modern Western societies are no longer segregated. However, this is a lie. Society might no longer be racially segregated, but bathrooms remain segregated. Males can only use one of two sets of bathrooms in a building/floor, and females can only use the other of the two sets.

Is this a problem?

I think it is. Segregated bathrooms must end.

Segregated bathrooms will continue to promote divisions in society between the genders and the sexes; they are also unacceptably callous towards people who might not identify comfortably with either of the two genders/sexes or who may look different from the side they would rather identify with. It is a pointless exercise in social division. What is the point in keeping bathrooms separate? It does nothing but reinforce labels.

There is another problem. It is unfair for the females. Females generally wait longer than males to use the facilities; this is discrimination. I can speak from personal experience. Having traveled to many parts of the planet it always seems the case that the line-up for the female side is much longer. Why is this? Well its because of the design. Facilities are separate but NOT equal. Male facilities have exclusive access to urinals and so the line up is shorter. The true solution to equality is to have one bathroom for all genders and to remove the urinals (females can't use them anyway and they provide an unfair advantage to a set of the population in wait time). This way, EVERYONE gets an average wait time for relief that is approximately equal and that isn't affected by the availability of equipment. You can still maintain two washrooms per building but EVERYONE should be allowed to use either one and they should both be completely stocked with bowls.

Bathrooms should be unified. What are people scared of?

So here is the discussion question.

1. Are segregated bathrooms a problem?

2. What should/can be done to reform current facilities to promote equality?

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:57 am

They're so utterly not a problem I'm not sure what could possibly be classified as less of a problem. Though it is an interesting thought to try to work out what could be.

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Postby Elesar » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:58 am

Are you kidding me? Bathrooms are separated between males and females for a reason. I know I wouldn't want to do my business in the same room at the same time as a woman, or vice versa if I were a woman myself.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:58 am

Khadgar wrote:They're so utterly not a problem I'm not sure what could possibly be classified as less of a problem. Though it is an interesting thought to try to work out what could be.


Please explain.

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Postby Fabulous American Killjoy idiots » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:58 am

? i do not know how to respon without "offending" someone sooo..
But this topic....i was expecting it to be about race, not gender.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:59 am

Elesar wrote:Are you kidding me? Bathrooms are separated between males and females for a reason. I know I wouldn't want to do my business in the same room at the same time as a woman, or vice versa if I were a woman myself.


Modern toilet facilities have dividers

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Postby Fabulous American Killjoy idiots » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:00 am

Have you actually thought about the women who actually prefer segregated bathrooms?

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Postby Elesar » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:00 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Elesar wrote:Are you kidding me? Bathrooms are separated between males and females for a reason. I know I wouldn't want to do my business in the same room at the same time as a woman, or vice versa if I were a woman myself.


Modern toilet facilities have dividers

Even so. There's a reason there's a stigma. I know that, as a man, I don't want to use a restroom full of tampons, and I sure as hell don't want to be there when a woman is on her period.
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:01 am

This doesn't really make any sense. I've never seen any if these lines where I am either because I don't notice them or don't care because I have to do my buisness. I've not noticed anyone but you complain about this either.
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Postby Fabulous American Killjoy idiots » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:01 am

And what did Urinals ever do to you?

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Postby Talvezout » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:02 am

Fabulous American Killjoy idiots wrote:And what did Urinals ever do to you?


I got attacked by one once.

True story.

Empire of Donner land wrote:This doesn't really make any sense. I've never seen any if these lines where I am either because I don't notice them or don't care because I have to do my buisness. I've not noticed anyone but you complain about this either.


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Postby Urran » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

The overwhelmingly vast majority of the population identifies as the gender thàt they were born into. The family restroom is unisex, they can use that one. The amount of sexual harassment allogations that would arise from bathrooms being desegregated is just too much for me to fathom.

I know that I personally would not be comfortable in sharing a bathroom with a stranger of the opposite sex and I am certain that they feel the same way.
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Postby Danubea (Ancient) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

It's to prevent rape, duh. Every time I go in the men's restroom I see some creepy people that would totally rape someone, especially at gas stations.

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Postby Fabulous American Killjoy idiots » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

Plus alot of times, women use the restroom to gossip and do makeup, men get in, do our stuff and leave, plain and simple
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Postby Teemant » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

It is convenient for both sides and I see no reason to change it.
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Postby Rangila » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

"Segregated bathrooms must end".

For f*cks sake. No they shouldn't. They're segregated for a f*cking reason. Get a f*cking grip.
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Postby King Nephmir II » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

Separation does not always equal discrimination. I separate my pennies from dimes. Am I discriminating against currency? :?
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Postby Parhe » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:03 am

I agree with the sentiment, sort of. But I think we should work on overcoming the sex and/or gender based stereotypes and expectations, the main issue, before getting rid of segregated bathrooms entirely. On the other hand, I suppose some could argue that getting rid of segregated bathrooms will help to solve the central issue quicker.

The true solution to equality is to have one bathroom for all genders and to remove the urinals (females can't use them anyway and they provide an unfair advantage to a set of the population in wait time).


One issue. While this does promote the idea of "equality," I suppose, it will only make the problem worse with females having to wait even longer than before.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:04 am

King Nephmir II wrote:Separation does not always equal discrimination. I separate my pennies from dimes. Am I discriminating against currency? :?

Pennies have a darker colour than dimes.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:05 am

Rangila wrote:"Segregated bathrooms must end".

For f*cks sake. No they shouldn't. They're segregated for a f*cking reason. Get a f*cking grip.


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Postby Urran » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:05 am

King Nephmir II wrote:Separation does not always equal discrimination. I separate my pennies from dimes. Am I discriminating against currency? :?


Yes! And you're a horrible person for it! I'll bet you seperate your apples and oranges too you fruit nazi!
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Postby Danubea (Ancient) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:06 am

Who cares about feelings, I'd rather hurt someone's feelings and them not get raped, rather than someone rape them.

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Postby Hladgos » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:07 am

Elesar wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Modern toilet facilities have dividers

Even so. There's a reason there's a stigma. I know that, as a man, I don't want to use a restroom full of tampons, and I sure as hell don't want to be there when a woman is on her period.

I'm pretty sure you don't walk into the restroom with a sea of bloody tampons to greet you. They're in the trash, just like a napkin with blood on is from someone's nose would be. Grow up. Women are on their periods all around you, so suck it up big boy.

Empire of Donner land wrote:This doesn't really make any sense. I've never seen any if these lines where I am either because I don't notice them or don't care because I have to do my buisness. I've not noticed anyone but you complain about this either.

You've never been to a mall. Or a populated city. Or something. I duno.

I'm not sure everyone would be okay with abolishing gendered bathroom things all in one sweep, but if you did it gradually it'd be cool. I've no qualms with sharing bathrooms with whomever, but getting rid of the urinal might be just, well, dumb.
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Postby Urran » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:07 am

Danubea wrote:Who cares about feelings, I'd rather hurt someone's feelings and them not get raped, rather than someone rape them.



This^
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Postby Dyrrachium » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:08 am

I agree with you that segregated bathrooms should end (for pretty obvious reasons) but that I'd argue the current situation is shitty for BOTH sides of the split. Female toilets have long queues, Male toilets are shit heaps.

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