Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Pro-life, because if women can't be responsible in the bedroom, they need to pay for their mistakes (First trimester is okay, second onward is murder).

Let me get this straight, it's on women to be wholly responsible for what happens in the bedroom? Contraception and all? And abortion isn't a responsible choice? In fact, it may be the most responsible choice on many occasions.

I don't see why the first trimester isn't killing, but the second is a killing. Seems rather arbitrary.

And lo, God said unto Abraham, you may abort at 11 weeks, 6 days, but upon midnight that night, abortions will earn you eternity being forced to tongue punch satan's fart box.

[Kelinfort]

Let me get this straight, it's on women to be wholly responsible for what happens in the bedroom? Contraception and all? And abortion isn't a responsible choice? In fact, it may be the most responsible choice on many occasions.

I don't see why the first trimester isn't killing, but the second is a killing. Seems rather arbitrary.

And lo, God said unto Abraham, you may abort at 11 weeks, 6 days, but upon midnight that night, abortions will earn you eternity being forced to tongue punch satan's fart box.

Kinky

[Shazbotdom]

Pro-life, because if women can't be responsible in the bedroom, they need to pay for their mistakes (First trimester is okay, second onward is murder).

Good job at being a dictator then.

[The Vigilance Union]

I'm Pro-Life, for a few reasons.

Morality is one of them, I believe Abortions are inhumane. Most abortions occur during the stage of development in which the nerve cells and pain receptors have already developed, meaning they feel the pain. Contrary to popular belief, The Fetus usually comes out in multiple pieces for at that stage that abortions usually occur, they are too large to be safely removed from the would-be-mother in one piece.

I am also against it because I was almost aborted when my mother was pregnant with me. My mother never misses a chance to tell me that she was happy that she didn't abort me, and my grandmother doesn't miss a chance to apologize for suggesting that my mother should have aborted me. Who knows what that fetus could grow up to be and what they would do. They could do great things, and the idea of stomping out such potential before it can get a chance to blossom sickens me.

I understand that some situations it is still morally just to have an abortion, a few examples are when the would-be-mother's life is in danger, or if they were a victim of rape. I also have no problem with early development abortions where the fetus can not be seen as "sentient" nor "sapient" yet because they have not developed nerves cells yet.

but that is all just my opinion.

[Mavorpen]

I'm Pro-Life, for a few reasons.

Morality is one of them, I believe Abortions are inhumane. Most abortions occur during the stage of development in which the nerve cells and pain receptors have already developed, meaning they feel the pain. Contrary to popular belief, The Fetus usually comes out in multiple pieces for at that stage that abortions usually occur, they are too large to be safely removed from the would-be-mother in one piece.

No, they don't. The vast majority occur during the first trimester and fetuses don't even begin go develop the capacity for any sort of pain until week 29-30.

[Shazbotdom]

I'm Pro-Life, for a few reasons.

Morality is one of them, I believe Abortions are inhumane. Most abortions occur during the stage of development in which the nerve cells and pain receptors have already developed, meaning they feel the pain. Contrary to popular belief, The Fetus usually comes out in multiple pieces for at that stage that abortions usually occur, they are too large to be safely removed from the would-be-mother in one piece.

No, they don't. The vast majority occur during the first trimester and fetuses don't even begin go develop the capacity for any sort of pain until week 29-30.

I sense puppet wanking...

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm Pro-Life, for a few reasons.

Morality is one of them, I believe Abortions are inhumane. Most abortions occur during the stage of development in which the nerve cells and pain receptors have already developed, meaning they feel the pain. Contrary to popular belief, The Fetus usually comes out in multiple pieces for at that stage that abortions usually occur, they are too large to be safely removed from the would-be-mother in one piece.

I am also against it because I was almost aborted when my mother was pregnant with me. My mother never misses a chance to tell me that she was happy that she didn't abort me, and my grandmother doesn't miss a chance to apologize for suggesting that my mother should have aborted me. Who knows what that fetus could grow up to be and what they would do. They could do great things, and the idea of stomping out such potential before it can get a chance to blossom sickens me.

I understand that some situations it is still morally just to have an abortion, a few examples are when the would-be-mother's life is in danger, or if they were a victim of rape. I also have no problem with early development abortions where the fetus can not be seen as "sentient" nor "sapient" yet because they have not developed nerves cells yet.

but that is all just my opinion.

More than 99% of all abortions occur prior to the nervous system being developed enough to feel pain in any capacity. For the less than 1% that occur after that, theres no researchvto show the fetus feel anything, regardless of whether or not the nervous system is developed.

My mother almost had an abortion with me as well. That was her right, and no one should force any woman to give birth against her will.

[Wallenburg]

I'm Pro-Life, for a few reasons.

Morality is one of them, I believe Abortions are inhumane.

No, they are actually very humane. Some even save lives.

Most abortions occur during the stage of development in which the nerve cells and pain receptors have already developed, meaning they feel the pain. Contrary to popular belief, The Fetus usually comes out in multiple pieces for at that stage that abortions usually occur, they are too large to be safely removed from the would-be-mother in one piece.

That simply isn't true.

I am also against it because I was almost aborted when my mother was pregnant with me.

No you weren't. Pregnancies, not fetuses or children, are aborted.

My mother never misses a chance to tell me that she was happy that she didn't abort me, and my grandmother doesn't miss a chance to apologize for suggesting that my mother should have aborted me.

That must be exceedingly annoying. You guys don't have anything else to talk about?

Who knows what that fetus could grow up to be and what they would do. They could do great things, and the idea of stomping out such potential before it can get a chance to blossom sickens me.

Every fetus also has the potential to grow into a terrible person, even the next Hitler or Stalin.

I understand that some situations it is still morally just to have an abortion, a few examples are when the would-be-mother's life is in danger, or if they were a victim of rape.

Why do you consider these good but others wrong?

I also have no problem with early development abortions where the fetus can not be seen as "sentient" nor "sapient" yet because they have not developed nerves cells yet.

That covers most abortions.

but that is all just my opinion.

I'd like to clarify something: do you want to outlaw certain kinds of abortions, or is your opposition to them a matter of personal choice and suggestion to others?

[The V O I D]

More pregnancy as punishment, radical pro-life-ism, and bullshit morality.

Did I miss anything else?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

they apply for it and get it. it may be that those other clinics don't provide the same menu of services that PP does.

PP doesn't do mammograms, among other things. So no, most clinics do more than what they do, with the exception of abortions.

Eh, PP helps people get referrals for cancer screening. They may not provide the screenings themselves but they connect people to resources for it.

Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and mammograms, and follow up to make sure patients are cared for with the attention they need and deserve.

So don't go on pratting that other clinics do more. PP does a lot.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pro-life, because if women can't be responsible in the bedroom, they need to pay for their mistakes (First trimester is okay, second onward is murder).

Good job at being a dictator then.

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wait, what? She didn't say they actually have those machines. Through PP you obtain an appropriate referral to a low cost clinic that DOES have them.

Stagnant is 100% correct. A shit ton of women wouldn't have access to mammograms without PP.

She said "mammograms," not "mammogram referrals." And can't a quick Google search provide mammogram referrals? If you were to Google "[your city] mammograms," I'm certain that you'd find something.

Did you read Mavorpen's post? Actually read it instead of having a knee-jerk reaction again?

Lemme bold something for you and why your question about quick Google searches is crap:

She didn't say they actually have those machines. Through PP you obtain an appropriate referral to a low cost clinic that DOES have them.

Stagnant is 100% correct. A shit ton of women wouldn't have access to mammograms without PP.

[Stellonia]

Lemme bold something for you and why your question about quick Google searches is crap:

She didn't say they actually have those machines. Through PP you obtain an appropriate referral to a low cost clinic that DOES have them.

Stagnant is 100% correct. A shit ton of women wouldn't have access to mammograms without PP.

She said "mammogram," not "mammogram referral." I'm done discussing this. Is that clear?

[Geilinor]

Lemme bold something for you and why your question about quick Google searches is crap:

She said "mammogram," not "mammogram referral." I'm done discussing this. Is that clear?

It costs money to visit a doctor for a referral. PP can do it for free and help people find a low-cost clinic.

[Luminesa]

Good job at being a dictator then.

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

I'm not pro-life to sham anyone. That sort of attitude cuts people down. I want to build people up, to fix broken communities, and to make life better for all parties involved.

Why is it that everyone talks about pregnancy as a punishment? Sure, it's not easy and it's complicated, but that doesn't mean it's a punishment. It's a natural part of a natural process. That's not shamming anyone, that's just saying a fact. If I say someone is going to go blind if they look at the sun, I'm not saying the person is dumb. I'm saying that looking at the sun will make you go blind. If I say that eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby, I'm not saying the person is a porker. I'm saying eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby.

[Shazbotdom]

Lemme bold something for you and why your question about quick Google searches is crap:

She said "mammogram," not "mammogram referral." I'm done discussing this. Is that clear?

Well, you were proven wrong. So one would hope that you would drop that line of thought...

And if we did de-fund PP, then people would go to those smaller facilities, which would cost the government MORE money.

So what you are suggesting is, in fact, putting more strain on the Title X system and putting the government budget even further into the Red. Congratulations.

[Godular]

Lemme bold something for you and why your question about quick Google searches is crap:

She said "mammogram," not "mammogram referral." I'm done discussing this. Is that clear?

Then stop cherry picking something which only shows how much you don't have a clue. You do it often. Remember what I said about being knee-jerk in your responses?

[Geilinor]

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

I'm not pro-life to sham anyone. That sort of attitude cuts people down. I want to build people up, to fix broken communities, and to make life better for all parties involved.

We aren't at that place yet and even if we were, it wouldn't completely eliminate the need for abortion.

[Godular]

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

I'm not pro-life to sham anyone. That sort of attitude cuts people down. I want to build people up, to fix broken communities, and to make life better for all parties involved.

Then mind your own durn business and let women make their own decisions. Sure you can help to reduce the likelihood that a woman will choose abortion as the necessary option, but it will never 100% go away.

Why is it that everyone talks about pregnancy as a punishment?

You tell me. It's the pro-lifers that keep doing it. We just keep calling 'em on it.

Sure, it's not easy and it's complicated, but that doesn't mean it's a punishment.

It is if its forced on them because they should have done X or Y or nothing at all or whateverthefuck arbitrarily judgemental actions might be put forward as a reason to deny a woman the right to control her own body.

It's a natural part of a natural process.

And as Abortion is possible in this great big natural universe of ours, so is Abortion. Also, so the hell what?

That's not shamming anyone, that's just saying a fact. If I say someone is going to go blind if they look at the sun, I'm not saying the person is dumb. I'm saying that looking at the sun will make you go blind.

And? Its their body. Sure it might be frickin' stupid in our view, but what are we gonna do to stop 'em? Lock 'em in a cave?

If I say that eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby, I'm not saying the person is a porker. I'm saying eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby.

Liposuction. Oh, sorry, were you trying to put forward a situation that can't be fixed medically?

[The V O I D]

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

I'm not pro-life to sham anyone. That sort of attitude cuts people down. I want to build people up, to fix broken communities, and to make life better for all parties involved.

Why is it that everyone talks about pregnancy as a punishment? Sure, it's not easy and it's complicated, but that doesn't mean it's a punishment. It's a natural part of a natural process. That's not shamming anyone, that's just saying a fact. If I say someone is going to go blind if they look at the sun, I'm not saying the person is dumb. I'm saying that looking at the sun will make you go blind. If I say that eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby, I'm not saying the person is a porker. I'm saying eating lots of hamburgers will make one chubby.

So, let's round up everyone who doesn't need a second kidney and start harvesting. That's what you're suggesting. If bodily sovereignty < right to life, even for fetuses/embryos [who have no such legal right], then the government needs not your consent to steal your organs and give them to someone in immediate danger because they need said organ, especially if stealing that organ won't kill you.

Also, pregnancy as punishment is any statement which suggests that sex is only for procreation, and that if a woman gets pregnant from sex she must go through with the pregnancy no matter what, because it was her fault for having sex and consenting to sex which got her pregnant in the first place. That isn't how things work, at all. Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.

[Vorond]

Pro-life, because if women can't be responsible in the bedroom, they need to pay for their mistakes (First trimester is okay, second onward is murder).

Good job at being a dictator then.

Outlawing murder equals dictatorship, mmhmm.

[The V O I D]

Good job at being a dictator then.

Outlawing murder equals dictatorship, mmhmm.

Except it's not murder. And dictating what people can or cannot do with their own bodies is, in fact, undemocratic.

[Alvecia]

Good job at being a dictator then.

Outlawing murder equals dictatorship, mmhmm.

Outlawing murder is redundant.
It's only murder if its already outlawed.

[Ifreann]

I would respect pro-lifers more if many of them admitted that the reason they are pro-life, against abortion, is because they see pregnancy as a means to punish ''those sluts. If they can't be responsible in the bedroom, opening their legs, they must be punished with an unwanted pregnancy. Har har harrr!'' Because I see this attitude in so many of them.

I'm not pro-life to sham anyone. That sort of attitude cuts people down. I want to build people up, to fix broken communities, and to make life better for all parties involved.

Why is it that everyone talks about pregnancy as a punishment?

Because people come into threads like this and say shit like "if women can't be responsible in the bedroom, they need to pay for their mistakes". It is clear that people who say things like that think of pregnancy as a punishment. As the rightful suffering that a slattern must endure for the crime of opening her legs. And thus they oppose abortion, not because they care about the unborn, but because they see it as a way for women of loose virtue to escape their punishment.

[Wallenburg]

Good job at being a dictator then.

Outlawing murder equals dictatorship, mmhmm.

Abortion isn't murder, and murder is, by definition, outlawed.