Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Luminesa]

I've said it before, but obviously all you want to do is curse me out, because that's apparently the only way you know how to argue: curse me out and shout "my body, my choice" if we don't agree on something. But anyway...

There are lots of other private clinics in the country that do not get Title X funding as PP. Also, there are so many non-PP clinics around the country that are underfunded and in need of improvements, especially in inner cities. My question is: why are they not getting the same kind of funding PP is getting, if PP basically does the same thing they do? And why are we not helping them to improve their health care, if there would be such a healthcare deficit in the country without PP being around?

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... thood.html

But that's only because the Democrats will raise the tax ceiling if it does go down.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... thood.html

But that's only because the Democrats will raise the tax ceiling if it does go down.

Nnnnnnnnno.
Try reading.

[Italios]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... thood.html

But that's only because the Democrats will raise the tax ceiling if it does go down.

Okay, but besides that: it's already been explained that to receive government funding you need to fit a certain criteria. Not all small businesses fit that and can't receive title x funding. I'm searching right now for non-PP organizations and companies that do get title x.

[Luminesa]

I've said it before, but obviously all you want to do is curse me out, because that's apparently the only way you know how to argue: curse me out and shout "my body, my choice" if we don't agree on something. But anyway...

There are lots of other private clinics in the country that do not get Title X funding as PP. Also, there are so many non-PP clinics around the country that are underfunded and in need of improvements, especially in inner cities. My question is: why are they not getting the same kind of funding PP is getting, if PP basically does the same thing they do? And why are we not helping them to improve their health care, if there would be such a healthcare deficit in the country without PP being around?

Says the child who has turned her nose up at literally every scientific study, budget report, and source thst flies in the face of her delusions...

1. You clearly dont understand title x. Title x supplies clinics with gov money if and ONLY IF they agree to provide sliding scale pay systems and undergo title x specialized training.
2. Clinics who di those things get title x.
3. Title X does NOT IMPROVE THE CLINICS. It only provides assistance to low income individuals needing sexual health care.
4. PP offers those services, why shut them down, leaving fewer clinics, fewer doctors, less appointments that can be made? Why destroy a large portion of low cost clinics? Just because you don't like them?

You haven't offered a single valid reason to shut down PP. Not a one.

Child? I'm 19. Gonna be 20 in a couple months.

1.) Okay, why aren't other clinics given this?

2.) Okay.

3.) Never said it does, but you can do a lot with that kinda money behind you. And what is this specialized training, by the way?

4.) Improve the current other clinics, build more health clinics, and do things to make them not as expensive. I never said I'm a fiscal expert, and it would take a lot of time and money, but it can be done.

I have, and you respond like a Voltorb: Rage, leave, repeat.

[Italios]

Says the child who has turned her nose up at literally every scientific study, budget report, and source thst flies in the face of her delusions...

1. You clearly dont understand title x. Title x supplies clinics with gov money if and ONLY IF they agree to provide sliding scale pay systems and undergo title x specialized training.
2. Clinics who di those things get title x.
3. Title X does NOT IMPROVE THE CLINICS. It only provides assistance to low income individuals needing sexual health care.
4. PP offers those services, why shut them down, leaving fewer clinics, fewer doctors, less appointments that can be made? Why destroy a large portion of low cost clinics? Just because you don't like them?

You haven't offered a single valid reason to shut down PP. Not a one.

4.) Improve the current other clinics, build more health clinics, and do things to make them not as expensive. I never said I'm a fiscal expert, and it would take a lot of time and money, but it can be done.

Why spend more money when you have a perfectly good, trusted, nationwide clinic ready to use?

People who want to shut down PP because it preforms abortions are just playing themselves. Abortions only account for 6% for their services and shutting the entire place down for that would deprive some of low-cost sexual education and help.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Says the child who has turned her nose up at literally every scientific study, budget report, and source thst flies in the face of her delusions...

1. You clearly dont understand title x. Title x supplies clinics with gov money if and ONLY IF they agree to provide sliding scale pay systems and undergo title x specialized training.
2. Clinics who di those things get title x.
3. Title X does NOT IMPROVE THE CLINICS. It only provides assistance to low income individuals needing sexual health care.
4. PP offers those services, why shut them down, leaving fewer clinics, fewer doctors, less appointments that can be made? Why destroy a large portion of low cost clinics? Just because you don't like them?

You haven't offered a single valid reason to shut down PP. Not a one.

Child? I'm 19. Gonna be 20 in a couple months.

1.) Okay, why aren't other clinics given this?

2.) Okay.

3.) Never said it does, but you can do a lot with that kinda money behind you. And what is this specialized training, by the way?

4.) Improve the current other clinics, build more health clinics, and do things to make them not as expensive. I never said I'm a fiscal expert, and it would take a lot of time and money, but it can be done.

I have, and you respond like a Voltorb: Rage, leave, repeat.

1. Other clinics ARE given title x.

3. No. You literally dont undestand title x. Title X is not huge grants. Say you and i both go to get birth control on the same day. I have private insurance and i am not low income. I pay nothing out of pocket and they recieve no title x funding for me. You are uninsured and low income. You pay nothing out of pocket and they recieve title x fundibg for you ONLY IN THE AMOUNT to cover the cost of the service.
It. Is. Not. A grant.

4. Why do any of that when we could save money by not doing that?

Also no, i don't "rage and leave," i show you that youre wrong and then i go have a life that doesn't revolve around you.

[Godular]

I have, and you respond like a Voltorb: Rage, leave, repeat.

'Abortion is icky' does not a suitable reason make.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I have, and you respond like a Voltorb: Rage, leave, repeat.

'Abortion is icky' does not a suitable reason make.

You can tell her that all you want but it won't make her realize That she isn't giving any coherent reasons.

[Luminesa]

Child? I'm 19. Gonna be 20 in a couple months.

1.) Okay, why aren't other clinics given this?

2.) Okay.

3.) Never said it does, but you can do a lot with that kinda money behind you. And what is this specialized training, by the way?

4.) Improve the current other clinics, build more health clinics, and do things to make them not as expensive. I never said I'm a fiscal expert, and it would take a lot of time and money, but it can be done.

I have, and you respond like a Voltorb: Rage, leave, repeat.

1. Other clinics ARE given title x.

3. No. You literally dont undestand title x. Title X is not huge grants. Say you and i both go to get birth control on the same day. I have private insurance and i am not low income. I pay nothing out of pocket and they recieve no title x funding for me. You are uninsured and low income. You pay nothing out of pocket and they recieve title x fundibg for you ONLY IN THE AMOUNT to cover the cost of the service.
It. Is. Not. A grant.

4. Why do any of that when we could save money by not doing that?

Also no, i don't "rage and leave," i show you that youre wrong and then i go have a life that doesn't revolve around you.

1.) Okay, so I don't understand it as well as I thought. My bad. I'm not an expert on money, never said I was.

3.) Wait...okay...hm...okay, so I see now how that works. Still, tell me what "special training" one must undergo to get Title X.

4.) Because sometimes you have to spend a little money to get things done. (Though that does not necessarily mean raising taxes, it just means taking money that's being spent elsewhere and spending it on the things I just described.)

Okay, good. I would not want your life to revolve around me. That would be weird. And slightly creepy.

But anyway, I get on and talk, I don't fall-back on slogans, I try to explain myself, I ask questions when I struggle to understand something (like Title X), and I explain what I think should be done to address the problem. Mostly peacefully. I will admit I'm not always a chill person, sometimes I get very emotional myself, but I try mostly to be civil. You respond by cursing me out, by calling me a misogynist because we disagree on the means to an end, and by falling back on "my body my choice" when nothing else works.

Also, here's an interesting question I thought about on the ride to school: can social policy affect the course of the development of medicine?

[Luminesa]

4.) Improve the current other clinics, build more health clinics, and do things to make them not as expensive. I never said I'm a fiscal expert, and it would take a lot of time and money, but it can be done.

Why spend more money when you have a perfectly good, trusted, nationwide clinic ready to use?

People who want to shut down PP because it preforms abortions are just playing themselves. Abortions only account for 6% for their services and shutting the entire place down for that would deprive some of low-cost sexual education and help.

Normally PP says 3%, but okay. And I explained that math (which took a while to write down) all a few pages ago. Sure, it might be 3%, but it's also an enormous chunk of their income. Hundreds of millions of dollars.

And couldn't people go to other clinics for sex-ed and whatnot, theoretically?

[Ashmoria]

Hooray, false analogies! *Highfives*

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's getting hard not to shit post when all the debate is over "Lol its not human science says so" instead of the moral grounds the act stands on, because its not like some people perceive a pregnancy as the best possible thing to happen to someone, because its not like it passes on your blood and allows the legacy of you and your family to live on.

Some people prefer to have a fully libertarian world, even if it means taking liberty from the unborn. I'll scuttle back under my roleplay forum rock I guess, can't help it if I apparently completely disagree with a user base on a website known for:

*puzzled look*

you really have a problem with those topics? I guess you really don't belong in general. we like to discuss things we disagree on.

[Luminesa]

But that's only because the Democrats will raise the tax ceiling if it does go down.

Nnnnnnnnno.
Try reading.

Italios just confirmed that, actually. Besides, that's what the Democratic Party does when money is short-raise the fiscal ceiling. That's why Dems and Republicans are always fighting over money, because they have different ideas on what money should be spent on, and how they can get that money.

[Alvecia]

Why spend more money when you have a perfectly good, trusted, nationwide clinic ready to use?

People who want to shut down PP because it preforms abortions are just playing themselves. Abortions only account for 6% for their services and shutting the entire place down for that would deprive some of low-cost sexual education and help.

Normally PP says 3%, but okay. And I explained that math (which took a while to write down) all a few pages ago. Sure, it might be 3%, but it's also an enormous chunk of their income. Hundreds of millions of dollars.

And couldn't people go to other clinics for sex-ed and whatnot, theoretically?

It's certainly physically possible. PP helps for those who don't have the insurance or income to go to a private clinic, as I understand it. Which given America's health service is probably a large proportion of the population.

[Luminesa]

But that's only because the Democrats will raise the tax ceiling if it does go down.

Okay, but besides that: it's already been explained that to receive government funding you need to fit a certain criteria. Not all small businesses fit that and can't receive title x funding. I'm searching right now for non-PP organizations and companies that do get title x.

That is helpful. Thank you.

Did you come up with anything yet? Or no?

[Ashmoria]

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

they apply for it and get it. it may be that those other clinics don't provide the same menu of services that PP does.

[Luminesa]

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

they apply for it and get it. it may be that those other clinics don't provide the same menu of services that PP does.

PP doesn't do mammograms, among other things. So no, most clinics do more than what they do, with the exception of abortions.

[Alvecia]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's getting hard not to shit post when all the debate is over "Lol its not human science says so" instead of the moral grounds the act stands on, because its not like some people perceive a pregnancy as the best possible thing to happen to someone, because its not like it passes on your blood and allows the legacy of you and your family to live on.

Some people prefer to have a fully libertarian world, even if it means taking liberty from the unborn. I'll scuttle back under my roleplay forum rock I guess, can't help it if I apparently completely disagree with a user base on a website known for:

*puzzled look*

you really have a problem with those topics? I guess you really don't belong in general. we like to discuss things we disagree on.

It's perhaps one of the best examples of cherry picking I've seen in a while, that's for sure.

[Dhisaana]

Choice? You made the choice when you laid down.
And if it's rape, adoption or keep it. That child still has some of you in it, but still deserves a chance if you don't want it.

[Alvecia]

Choice? You made the choice when you laid down.
And if it's rape, adoption or keep it. That child still has some of you in it, but still deserves a chance if you don't want it.

Consent to sex != consent to pregnancy.

[Ashmoria]

Why spend more money when you have a perfectly good, trusted, nationwide clinic ready to use?

People who want to shut down PP because it preforms abortions are just playing themselves. Abortions only account for 6% for their services and shutting the entire place down for that would deprive some of low-cost sexual education and help.

Normally PP says 3%, but okay. And I explained that math (which took a while to write down) all a few pages ago. Sure, it might be 3%, but it's also an enormous chunk of their income. Hundreds of millions of dollars.

And couldn't people go to other clinics for sex-ed and whatnot, theoretically?

they would have to exist, eh?

[Ashmoria]

*puzzled look*

you really have a problem with those topics? I guess you really don't belong in general. we like to discuss things we disagree on.

It's perhaps one of the best examples of cherry picking I've seen in a while, that's for sure.

they are recent topics but ...they aren't all a liberal lovefest, eh? there are plenty of posts that whatever site that came from would approve of.

[Ifreann]

Choice? You made the choice when you laid down.
And if it's rape, adoption or keep it. That child still has some of you in it, but still deserves a chance if you don't want it.

So abortion is okay if you have sex standing up?

[Stellonia]

I've noticed that some of the pro-choicers here are arguing that one must either support the federal funding of Planned Parenthood or seek to shut it down. Certainly someone in America feels that Planned Parenthood does not merit receiving money from the feds while at the same time opposing its destruction?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I've noticed that some of the pro-choicers here are arguing that one must either support the federal funding of Planned Parenthood or seek to shut it down. Certainly someone in America feels that Planned Parenthood does not merit receiving money from the feds while at the same time opposing its destruction?

Planned Parenthood serves a vital function in providing a place for people to recieve free contraceptives. This has been linked to an extreme decrease in teen pregnancies in areas where PP is active. Considering teens not getting pregnant = less abortions, you should support this no?

Also, defunding Planned Parenthood would seriously hurt the organization's ability to operate, as it is, in fact, a not-for-profit that relies heavily on funding so it can provide low cost reproductive care to women.

[Stellonia]

I've noticed that some of the pro-choicers here are arguing that one must either support the federal funding of Planned Parenthood or seek to shut it down. Certainly someone in America feels that Planned Parenthood does not merit receiving money from the feds while at the same time opposing its destruction?

Planned Parenthood serves a vital function in providing a place for people to recieve free contraceptives. This has been linked to an extreme decrease in teen pregnancies in areas where PP is active. Considering teens not getting pregnant = less abortions, you should support this no?

So there's no other method of distributing condoms among high school students?

Also, defunding Planned Parenthood would seriously hurt the organization's ability to operate, as it is, in fact, a not-for-profit that relies heavily on funding so it can provide low cost reproductive care to women.

Which brings us back to the initial question: Is funding Planned Parenthood the only feasible option for ensuring that women receive quality healthcare?