Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[The Black Forrest]

Planned Parenthood doesn't need to be defunded. Women need the healthcare.

Is Planned Parenthood really the only organization that can provide the healthcare it specializes in?

Look who their clients are and the answer is yes.

[The Black Forrest]

Is Planned Parenthood really the only organization that can provide the healthcare it specializes in?

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.
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[Zoice]

Hooray, false analogies! *Highfives*

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's getting hard not to shit post when all the debate is over "Lol its not human science says so" instead of the moral grounds the act stands on, because its not like some people perceive a pregnancy as the best possible thing to happen to someone, because its not like it passes on your blood and allows the legacy of you and your family to live on.

Some people prefer to have a fully libertarian world, even if it means taking liberty from the unborn. I'll scuttle back under my roleplay forum rock I guess, can't help it if I apparently completely disagree with a user base on a website known for:

If it isn't a person, then that has huge ramifications on the moral grounds of the act, you can't just dismiss that. The image you linked of a pregnant woman smoking is an act of negligence, abortion is an act of renegging, and undoing the process that would create a person. They couldn't be more different.

[Farnhamia]

Do there need to be other if PP does what it does?

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.

Eventually women would learn to keep their slutty legs closed, right?

[The Black Forrest]

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.

Eventually women would learn to keep their slutty legs closed, right?

And if they dressed right there wouldn't be as much rape!

[Kyrusia]

Hooray, false analogies! *Highfives*

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's getting hard not to shit post when all the debate is over "Lol its not human science says so" instead of the moral grounds the act stands on, because its not like some people perceive a pregnancy as the best possible thing to happen to someone, because its not like it passes on your blood and allows the legacy of you and your family to live on.

Some people prefer to have a fully libertarian world, even if it means taking liberty from the unborn. I'll scuttle back under my roleplay forum rock I guess, can't help it if I apparently completely disagree with a user base on a website known for:

Razgriskm: You are free to discuss and debate however you like as long as it adheres to the rules; you are free to make your opinions clear in a manner which does not violate the rules. I would advise, in the future, to do this, rather than stating your position then posting something such as this which comes off as a clear intent to rile-up other players. Consider this an informal warning.

[Luminesa]

Is Planned Parenthood really the only organization that can provide the healthcare it specializes in?

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.
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What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

[Zoice]

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.
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What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

Not even close to as numerous or capable as PP.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

Not even close to as numerous or capable as PP.

And the ones who are, are incredibly expensive. PP is a lifeline for some people, particularly where contraception and family planning are concerned.

[Luminesa]

Not even close to as numerous or capable as PP.

And the ones who are, are incredibly expensive. PP is a lifeline for some people, particularly where contraception and family planning are concerned.

Planned Parenthood also has Title X funding. Do these other clinics have that?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And the ones who are, are incredibly expensive. PP is a lifeline for some people, particularly where contraception and family planning are concerned.

Planned Parenthood also has Title X funding. Do these other clinics have that?

Probably not (although I can't say for sure), as these are usually private clinics. And I think public funding for reproductive care is necessary. Including providing for safe abortions. However, Title X is not used for abortions as the federal statute prohibits PP to use the funding for abortion procedures.

[Luminesa]

What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

Not even close to as numerous or capable as PP.

Oh, there are lots of little clinics all over the country that are not PP. And "capable" would be a matter of opinion. I mean, PP does basically what any other clinic does, minus mammograms (they just refer you to other people), and plus abortions (because obviously not every health clinic does abortions).

[Luminesa]

Planned Parenthood also has Title X funding. Do these other clinics have that?

Probably not (although I can't say for sure), as these are usually private clinics. And I think public funding for reproductive care is necessary. Including providing for safe abortions.

Yeah...I mean, Planned Parenthood gets special funding for basically doing, again, what most other standard clinics in the country will do, minus mammograms and plus abortions. So why don't these clinics get any funding? :/

And I thought PP was private too...isn't it?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Probably not (although I can't say for sure), as these are usually private clinics. And I think public funding for reproductive care is necessary. Including providing for safe abortions.

Yeah...I mean, Planned Parenthood gets special funding for basically doing, again, what most other standard clinics in the country will do, minus mammograms and plus abortions. So why don't these clinics get any funding? :/

And I thought PP was private too...isn't it?

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

[Luminesa]

Yeah...I mean, Planned Parenthood gets special funding for basically doing, again, what most other standard clinics in the country will do, minus mammograms and plus abortions. So why don't these clinics get any funding? :/

And I thought PP was private too...isn't it?

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

Do you think it's bad that PP receives Title X funding? In any case, they're hardly the only organization that does. Title X also provides funds for county, and local health departments; community health centers and hospital-based, school-based, faith-based, and other private nonprofits. And PP is a nonprofit organization.

[Wallenburg]

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

Because interest groups don't give a shit about small-scale clinics. I'd be more than happy to see them get federal aid, though.

[Kaschuct]

I am Pro-Choice.

[Alvecia]

Well, no, because as I added in my edit, the funding provided by Title X cannot be used for abortions.

Right. Though still, PP is private, and these other little clinics are private. So why is PP getting the funding and they're not?

Probably because after a point you are invoking those three words that fill any true blue American patriot with dread.
Nationalized. Health. Care.

[Empire of Narnia]

Pro-Life for life yo!

[The V O I D]

Pro-Life for life yo!

Of course. Let's just disregard bodily sovereignty, women's rights, and ignore the sexual-majority.

Based on current sex ratios, the only countries with more men than women are Greenland, some countries in Africa, the Middle East [minus Turkey], India and most near-countries, China, and some Oceanic countries [with Australia having an approximate equal number of both sexes].

So, by your logic, we should ignore the majority of people [women] for the sake of "life" of a fetus/embryo, who isn't even a person.

We should also ignore bodily sovereignty, and grant the government the right to decide if you're able to save someone's life with your kidney and therefor it should be taken from you.

And the women's rights things... denying the woman a right to her own body. Obvious.

Women are the majority in the world in most countries in terms of sexes. Women are whose body is in question. Their rights are in question. And whatever your answer is, it affects everyone else as well via removing bodily sovereignty, etc.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

*holds head*

I sense a silly free market argument coming.
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What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

What the fuck is your obsession with dismantling planned parenthood?

[Luminesa]

What do you mean? I mean, there are other health clinics around the country, obviously, right?

What the fuck is your obsession with dismantling planned parenthood?

I've said it before, but obviously all you want to do is curse me out, because that's apparently the only way you know how to argue: curse me out and shout "my body, my choice" if we don't agree on something. But anyway...

There are lots of other private clinics in the country that do not get Title X funding as PP. Also, there are so many non-PP clinics around the country that are underfunded and in need of improvements, especially in inner cities. My question is: why are they not getting the same kind of funding PP is getting, if PP basically does the same thing they do? And why are we not helping them to improve their health care, if there would be such a healthcare deficit in the country without PP being around?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

What the fuck is your obsession with dismantling planned parenthood?

I've said it before, but obviously all you want to do is curse me out, because that's apparently the only way you know how to argue: curse me out and shout "my body, my choice" if we don't agree on something. But anyway...

There are lots of other private clinics in the country that do not get Title X funding as PP. Also, there are so many non-PP clinics around the country that are underfunded and in need of improvements, especially in inner cities. My question is: why are they not getting the same kind of funding PP is getting, if PP basically does the same thing they do? And why are we not helping them to improve their health care, if there would be such a healthcare deficit in the country without PP being around?

Says the child who has turned her nose up at literally every scientific study, budget report, and source thst flies in the face of her delusions...

1. You clearly dont understand title x. Title x supplies clinics with gov money if and ONLY IF they agree to provide sliding scale pay systems and undergo title x specialized training.
2. Clinics who di those things get title x.
3. Title X does NOT IMPROVE THE CLINICS. It only provides assistance to low income individuals needing sexual health care.
4. PP offers those services, why shut them down, leaving fewer clinics, fewer doctors, less appointments that can be made? Why destroy a large portion of low cost clinics? Just because you don't like them?

You haven't offered a single valid reason to shut down PP. Not a one.

[Italios]

What the fuck is your obsession with dismantling planned parenthood?

I've said it before, but obviously all you want to do is curse me out, because that's apparently the only way you know how to argue: curse me out and shout "my body, my choice" if we don't agree on something. But anyway...

There are lots of other private clinics in the country that do not get Title X funding as PP. Also, there are so many non-PP clinics around the country that are underfunded and in need of improvements, especially in inner cities. My question is: why are they not getting the same kind of funding PP is getting, if PP basically does the same thing they do? And why are we not helping them to improve their health care, if there would be such a healthcare deficit in the country without PP being around?

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... thood.html