Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Godular]

As cruel as I may be this is the equivalent of murdering a child

Wrong.

that didn't do anything unless it is for science or to appease the gods and goddesses

Irrelevant.

I am pro life

We'll be working to fix that.

[Sanctissima]

Right, the obvious...

Tell me Godular, why did the people of the Indus Valley Civilization build massive strongholds in their cities? Don't know? As a historian, the answer's fairly obvious to me.

Not my area.

You made a claim, back it up. "Oh, it's obvious, you should already know" isn't a sufficient argument.

It already was backed up. You've been flailing for a way to get around it by trying to throw in MORE violations of a person's rights and the use of already inexact mechanisms to support your silly dystopia.

Right, so it isn't obvious. Unless you want to be a hypocrite.

And no explanation has been provided other than a general "it wouldn't work, just accept it".

[Godular]

Not my area.



It already was backed up. You've been flailing for a way to get around it by trying to throw in MORE violations of a person's rights and the use of already inexact mechanisms to support your silly dystopia.

Right, so it isn't obvious. Unless you want to be a hypocrite.

And no explanation has been provided other than a general "it wouldn't work, just accept it".

Not my fault you don't research your shit.

Seriously, if you're gonna talk about lie-detectors at least look the damn things up. As an inexact tool, the damn things aren't admissible in any court that realizes the only usable evidence is tangible evidence.

[Wallenburg]

As cruel as I may be this is the equivalent of murdering a child that didn't do anything

No, it isn't.

unless it is for science or to appease the gods and goddesses I am pro life

...

What the fuck.

[Geilinor]

Millions of people in Africa alone have tried it and many have died.

I'm well aware of it, but that's moreso a testament to the horrendous poverty and general fucked-uppedness of Africa than it is to making abortion illegal.

Africa isn't the only place where that happens.

[Salandriagado]

If you're dying of some horrible disease that can only be cured by an organ donation, and I'm the only compatible donor, then you still can't force me to make that donation, even if I previously agreed to do it in principle. Why should unborn humans have rights that born humans don't?

Because you aren't responsible for the disease I have. The mother is responsible for the existence of the fetus.

OK, suppose that I am responsible for it. Suppose that you caught it off me.

[Ashmoria]

no

women don't get abortions lightly. women have gotten abortions throughout human history. they risk their lives. they risk prison time. they risk leaving their children orphans. a little lie about rape would never deter a women who wants an abortion.

back in the old days when some states had an exception for the life of the mother that included suicide, women would routinely say they would kill themselves if they had to continue their pregnancies.

I find it hard to believe that the majority of women desiring an abortion would go to such lengths.

well...some would go to the flea market to obtain Mexican abortion drugs as they do today in the rio grande valley of texas. some would self abort with knitting needles or throwing themselves down the stairs. some would find a doctor who performs illegal abortions. what they wouldn't do is go without abortion because no one gets an abortion lightly.

[Ashmoria]

On the "fucked-uppedness" of Africa.

I'm from Canada.

oh yeah, I forgot. the well-to-do would go to Canada where abortion is legal. (or to the US if abortion becomes illegal in Canada)

[Godular]

I'm from Canada.

oh yeah, I forgot. the well-to-do would go to Canada where abortion is legal. (or to the US if abortion becomes illegal in Canada)

And one of the more recent cases about abortion in Canada had the courts realize that trying to keep abortion illegal, or the primary element of the case involving it, was unenforceable. How apropos.

[Korhal IVV]

oh yeah, I forgot. the well-to-do would go to Canada where abortion is legal. (or to the US if abortion becomes illegal in Canada)

And one of the more recent cases about abortion in Canada had the courts realize that trying to keep abortion illegal, or the primary element of the case involving it, was unenforceable. How apropos.

The church is better at enforcing morality than the damn government

[Zoice]

And one of the more recent cases about abortion in Canada had the courts realize that trying to keep abortion illegal, or the primary element of the case involving it, was unenforceable. How apropos.

The church is better at enforcing morality than the damn government

Is the church really a good example of enforcing morality? *Coughpedophilescough*

That's even assuming that banning abortion is moral, and it absolutely is not.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And one of the more recent cases about abortion in Canada had the courts realize that trying to keep abortion illegal, or the primary element of the case involving it, was unenforceable. How apropos.

The church is better at enforcing morality than the damn government

Yeah, helping pedophiles evade the law is morale alright.

But that isn't the point of the thread so we digress.

[Korhal IVV]

The church is better at enforcing morality than the damn government

Yeah, helping pedophiles evade the law is morale alright.

But that isn't the point of the thread so we digress.

I am not talking about the Catholics.

[Neutraligon]

Why do you care about the fact that it is everything needed to create a human? It is not a person in any sense of the term. How about if I put a sperm and an egg in separate vials, then both in a box. The box now contains everything you need for a human, and it still isn't a person.

Because from fertilization onwards, it is, for all intended purposes, a human being in development.

Why is it from fertilization onward? I mean, fertilization is just one more process necessary for an egg and sperm to become a baby.

[Neutraligon]

Yeah, helping pedophiles evade the law is morale alright.

But that isn't the point of the thread so we digress.

I am not talking about the Catholics.

We could also talk about the abortion clinic bombing and killings, the excuses to discriminate again homosexuals, the racism of churches like Mormonism, etc. The church is relatively good at spreading ideology, whether that ideology should be spread or not is a different question. THe government is actually pretty good at propaganda as well.

[Korhal IVV]

I am not talking about the Catholics.

We could also talk about the abortion clinic bombing and killings, the excuses to discriminate again homosexuals, the racism of churches like Mormonism, etc. The church is relatively good at spreading ideology, whether that ideology should be spread or not is a different question. THe government is actually pretty good at propaganda as well.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

[Wallenburg]

We could also talk about the abortion clinic bombing and killings, the excuses to discriminate again homosexuals, the racism of churches like Mormonism, etc. The church is relatively good at spreading ideology, whether that ideology should be spread or not is a different question. THe government is actually pretty good at propaganda as well.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

Would you be open to sharing the name of your church?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We could also talk about the abortion clinic bombing and killings, the excuses to discriminate again homosexuals, the racism of churches like Mormonism, etc. The church is relatively good at spreading ideology, whether that ideology should be spread or not is a different question. THe government is actually pretty good at propaganda as well.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

Your church probably doesn't aspire to be moral guardians then.

[Shazbotdom]

We could also talk about the abortion clinic bombing and killings, the excuses to discriminate again homosexuals, the racism of churches like Mormonism, etc. The church is relatively good at spreading ideology, whether that ideology should be spread or not is a different question. THe government is actually pretty good at propaganda as well.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

The dictations of your church still should not dictate the laws of this nation. PERIOD.

[Korhal IVV]

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

Your church probably doesn't aspire to be moral guardians then.

It does, only for members though.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

The dictations of your church still should not dictate the laws of this nation. PERIOD.

And thy laws of thy nation shall not dictateth the practice of any religion and/or prohibit any practice thereof.

The church in which I belong does none of those things.

Would you be open to sharing the name of your church?

Philippine Evangelicals. We do not infringe in the lives of other people but when you are a member its a different story. A member will have to abide to the Biblical moral codes. Especially the Ten Commandments.

[Wallenburg]

Your church probably doesn't aspire to be moral guardians then.

It does, only for members though.

And that would be with their consent, yes?

Would you be open to sharing the name of your church?

Philippine Evangelicals. We do not infringe in the lives of other people but when you are a member its a different story. A member will have to abide to the Biblical moral codes. Especially the Ten Commandments.

Curious. I can't find much on the Philippines' evangelical Protestant population, but I'll keep digging. You guys seem cool so far.

So I imagine that you try not to let your religious beliefs affect your political ones, particularly with regard to the law?

[Korhal IVV]

It does, only for members though.

And that would be with their consent, yes?

Philippine Evangelicals. We do not infringe in the lives of other people but when you are a member its a different story. A member will have to abide to the Biblical moral codes. Especially the Ten Commandments.

Curious. I can't find much on the Philippines' evangelical Protestant population, but I'll keep digging. You guys seem cool so far.

So I imagine that you try not to let your religious beliefs affect your political ones, particularly with regard to the law?

We see the law from a Biblical perspective. The law is obeyed as long as we are not ordered to do evil, such as being ordered to slaugther a bunch of people or being invololved in government corruption.

[Godular]

And that would be with their consent, yes?

Curious. I can't find much on the Philippines' evangelical Protestant population, but I'll keep digging. You guys seem cool so far.

So I imagine that you try not to let your religious beliefs affect your political ones, particularly with regard to the law?

We see the law from a Biblical perspective. The law is obeyed as long as we are not ordered to do evil, such as being ordered to slaugther a bunch of people or being invololved in government corruption.

Sounds to me like a bunch of people who know better than to meddle in the affairs of those who don't believe the same as they do.

So where'd you go wrong?

[Korhal IVV]

We see the law from a Biblical perspective. The law is obeyed as long as we are not ordered to do evil, such as being ordered to slaugther a bunch of people or being invololved in government corruption.

Sounds to me like a bunch of people who know better than to meddle in the affairs of those who don't believe the same as they do.

So where'd you go wrong?

Wut

[Shazbotdom]

The dictations of your church still should not dictate the laws of this nation. PERIOD.

And thy laws of thy nation shall not dictateth the practice of any religion and/or prohibit any practice thereof.

Last I checked, legalization does not infringe upon your right to worship as you please. But nice try with that one.