Texas secessionists launch petition drive

[Ifreann]

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Shot?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Shot?

lol thats dark man. Thank you for a good chuckle.

[Heraklea-]

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Poorer.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

bombed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Poorer.

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Shot?

Hahaha yes indeed.

Sorry my Paradox side got out again.

[Ifreann]

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

bombed.

You acknowledged my joke and then made the same one. Dude.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

bombed.

You acknowledged my joke and then made the same one. Dude.

I wanted to join the dogpile.

[Mefpan]

bombed.

You acknowledged my joke and then made the same one. Dude.

It's unfair if only the Secessionists get to beat horses that have been dead since 1865.

[Free Wexford]

I understand the majority of people in states like texas want to remain in the union but to just dismiss any talk of secession as treason seems anti-freedom.

Only, it is, technically treason, in the same way the IRA in Northern Ireland is treasonous (although, it is slightly disanalogous in that our texans have a lot less bombs- they make up for it in their guns).

[quote] The same thing with the pledge of allegiance, for somebody from the UK it looks like brainwashing children


Comparing Irish Republicans to Texan Republicans is not fair. Irish republicans wanted out because the government gerrymandered the hell out of elections,beat protesters and generally treated Catholics as second class citizens. The Texans want out because the big bad government took away their "right" to discriminate against gays.

[European Socialist Republic]

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

MAH FREEDUMZ!!!!!111

[The United States of North Amerigo]

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

MAH FREEDUMZ!!!!!111

JOIN THE REPUBLIC


MUH GUNS

[The Huskar Social Union]

MAH FREEDUMZ!!!!!111

JOIN THE REPUBLIC


MUH GUNS

That man is a fucking lunatic.

[Zeinbrad]

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Free 5.56 bullets.

[Ifreann]

It's possible but what would the average Texan get by rebelling?

Free 5.56 bullets.

5.56 of them per person.

[Dyakovo]

Lots of Abrams, Bradleys, and Apaches that are all broken and probably won't make it off the ground.

When did rednecks get AT weapons and MANPADS?

And why would Abrams and Bradleys need to make it off the ground?

[Ifreann]

When did rednecks get AT weapons and MANPADS?

And why would Abrams and Bradleys need to make it off the ground?

Armoured air support.

[Dyakovo]

So because the Supreme Court did their job this somehow equals a reason for secession.

Just because the Supreme Court ruled in your favor doesn't mean they didn't defy the Constitution. The Supreme Court overrode what was traditionally a state's job and forced, over the will of the people, an institution that divided the country almost exactly in half as to approval. They, in total disregard of the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment and citing no Constitutional clause (though they did claim "MUH FEELINGS" when talking about denying homosexuals "their dignity"), dealt yet another blow to the already rotting carcass of marriage. There is now a flood of coercion against dissenters of the ruling in this country and someone is in jail because they refused to participate in something they deemed sinful.

Look beyond your bias and see that the Constitution does not, under any circumstances, allow for homosexual marriage.

Each state has a fundamental right to define marriage in any way it so desires. If your state wants to legalize SSM, that's there right and I, as a resident of another state, have no right to tell them what or what not to do.

I suggest at some point you take the time to actually read the constitution...

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

[North Arkana]

And why would Abrams and Bradleys need to make it off the ground?

Armoured air support.

That's called Apaches and A-10s.

[New Frenco Empire]

You make up less than four percent of the nation and should not run roughshod over the supermajority just because your feelings were hurt.

Exactly! My hetero cousin tried to get a marriage license the other day, but she was turned around because the fags took away all the straight marriage!

But seriously, you don't get to tell other people what they can and cannot do just because your feelings are hurt. The Constitution agrees with me.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm not going to quote that long post, but I didn't want to Civil Union my partner, I wanted to marry my partner.

That argument is invalid because a Civil Union confided the exact same benefits as a marriage and thus nothing was denied to you. You have no right to redefine an ancient institution meant for procreation just because you don't like the terminology an union that is totally equal before the law gives you. You make up less than four percent of the nation and should not run roughshod over the supermajority just because your feelings were hurt.

Sounds like you're the one with hurt feelings, darling.

[Geilinor]

I'm not going to quote that long post, but I didn't want to Civil Union my partner, I wanted to marry my partner.

That argument is invalid because a Civil Union confided the exact same benefits as a marriage and thus nothing was denied to you. You have no right to redefine an ancient institution meant for procreation just because you don't like the terminology an union that is totally equal before the law gives you. You make up less than four percent of the nation and should not run roughshod over the supermajority just because your feelings were hurt.

Marriage is a civil union - they received what they should have gotten.

[Arcturus Novus]

I want Texas to, like, somehow break free from the Earth's crust and float away into space.

[Farnhamia]

That argument is invalid because a Civil Union confided the exact same benefits as a marriage and thus nothing was denied to you. You have no right to redefine an ancient institution meant for procreation just because you don't like the terminology an union that is totally equal before the law gives you. You make up less than four percent of the nation and should not run roughshod over the supermajority just because your feelings were hurt.

Marriage is a civil union - they received what they should have gotten.

*looms ominously Same-sex marriage discussions here, please: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=352327

[Ethopolis]

Legal secession cannot happen under the US Constitution, so an amendment would be necessary. A small petition will not do. I can only imagine Texas has the resources to be a successful nation, but it would be a long and difficult road for Texas to secede legally. Otherwise, a war would probably happen to secede, but that is quite impractical.

[Arcturus Novus]

Legal secession cannot happen under the US Constitution, so an amendment would be necessary. A small petition will not do. I can only imagine Texas has the resources to be a successful nation, but it would be a long and difficult road for Texas to secede legally. Otherwise, a war would probably happen to secede, but that is quite impractical.

For some brave and crazy few (read: my overly-conservative, borderline-reactionary Texan relatives), a war is probably worth it.