Texas secessionists launch petition drive

[Deuxtete]

Lol I lived at alter road and Jefferson avenue, drove up lakeshore drive everyday to work...nice bit of fake news there.

Grosse point is one of the wealthiest zipcodes in the nation...and its microscopic. There were no fucking road blocks...you fucking people will make up anything, then contrive it into "suburbs" as if inkster, Dearborn, Southfield, oakpark, ecorse, wyandotte, mount Clemens, warren, were all the exact same as Grosse point which is barely the size of a neighborhood.
While you're indicting them, then count their violent crime rate for all suburbs too, since you're not really concerned with facts.

All of which is hardly relevant since you by all accounts don't exist outside my perceived imagination. For all I know someone could be simulating me simulating you among this simulated forum amongst this simulated world. Either way the horrors of existence burden your shattered consciousness to to the hereafter, and please do say goodbye to Hal 9000 for me. I have had such a lovely time, but October 23rd, 2077 has come, and your time is up for the Chinese are coming.

Also congratulations on searching my entire history to determine that generalized statement since you are a simulation it is to be expected of you.

Great, then we agree.
You claim only working class whites can be racist, and you're not smart enough to look at a map to test the veracity of an absurd story from an absurd source like theguardian.

[Benuty]

Though it could break up into five different states if permitted.

...that would be awesome.

There'd be so much infighting over who gets to keep then name Texas that the rest of the world wouldn't hear a peep from them for decades...

Depends some of them might be smart enough to realize they are being played with.

[Ashkera]

Then we'll cut resources and starve them out.

Hold up. Isn't that very hypocritical?

Your sovereignty is important, but not theirs?

This suggests this really isn't about freedom, but something else...

[The Orson Empire]

The last time Texas tried to secede, it didn't end well for them. This petition will achieve nothing.

[Benuty]

Then we'll cut resources and starve them out.

Hold up. Isn't that very hypocritical?

Your sovereignty is important, but not theirs?

This suggests this really isn't about freedom, but something else...

Well it does make their position even less supportable.

At least in the case of Somaliland the central government has the power, but often refuses to use it leaving certain areas to deal with problems themselves. The Somaliland being one of the more successful ones is seeking independence though, and not many people want that for some reason. I mean the government isn't on the verge of collapsing into an anocracy so what is the big deal?

[USS Monitor]

Why do so many people seem to think threatening the US with nukes would be effective?

It seems to me like one of the least effective things the secessionists could do because it proves they are going to be a bad neighbor if we let them go.

[Benuty]

The last time Texas tried to secede, it didn't end well for them. This petition will achieve nothing.

At least it makes more sense than the California sub-nationalism one.

Which basically would revert California to the same status as Puerto Rico.

[The Lone Alliance]

Not this shit again....

[New Ogunquit]

Why do so many people seem to think threatening the US with nukes would be effective?

It seems to me like one of the least effective things the secessionists could do because it proves they are going to be a bad neighbor if we let them go.

Do you mean on this thread or in general? Because I feel like it's just one guy here, at least.

[Benuty]

Why do so many people seem to think threatening the US with nukes would be effective?

It seems to me like one of the least effective things the secessionists could do because it proves they are going to be a bad neighbor if we let them go.

I suppose it could be an attempt to replicate the big stick policy?

In this situation it isn't a stick they are swinging though.

[Ruridova]

I live in Texas. Specifically, I live in Dallas. The stereotype of Texan is backward far-rightist red dog Republican "fuck the gubmint" conspiracy theorist with a small arsenal and a minimal vocabulary. That stereotype has some basis in the rural areas of the state, but it doesn't apply whatsoever to the leftist areas of the state.

Leftists in Texas, you say? Yes, we exist. We live in the cities- Austin, Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, El Paso, and the like. Minority populations here- blacks and Hispanics predominantly, but there's an increasingly large immigrant community from East Asia, the Middle East, and Africa- often vote leftist as well, generally because of the attitudes that some Texas rightists have towards people who aren't white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

While there may be support for secession in rural areas, I haven't seen a trace of it in Texas' major urban centers. A war of secession would ruin the Texas economy and would place leftists in an overwhelmingly rightist self-declared nation. There's no way that urban Texans would tolerate that situation. Trust me- I am one, I live among them, I interact with them everyday. We make jokes about the concept of Texas seceding; it's a joke proposal to us, not a serious thing we might support or tolerate. It's almost guaranteed that cities and urban counties would remain loyal to the United States because secession offers us nothing. And trust me, the entire population of all of Texas' major population centers aren't going to just pack up and leave. It's just not happening. Texan cities would remain within the United States, and we wouldn't give it a second thought.

Then we'll cut resources and starve them out.

Yeah, like you'll have enough people or resources to start or maintain any sort of siege situation.

The population of Texas is 26,956,958. The Austin metropolitan area has a population of 2,222,416; the Houston metropolitan area has a population of 6,371,677; the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex has a population of 6,817,483; Greater San Antonio has a population of 2,328,652; El Paso's metropolitan area has a population of 1,045,180. That comes out to 18,785,408, which is a definite majority of the Texan population- even if every rural Texan comes out in support of secession, we still outnumber them. It's pretty hard to besiege a city when there are more people inside than outside.

Besides, what is rural Texas without the urban areas? You're farmland and oil wells, and yeah that's something, but we're the railway hubs that send your produce to market and we're the oil refineries that ship your oil abroad. The Texan government is based in an urban center. We are the most populated areas of the state. We are its financial markets. We are its industrial and white collar industry. We have the military and National Guard arsenals. You have nothing aside from a few hunting rifles against us- and if we stay loyal to the States, then we won't be utterly obliterated by the US military should secessionists try anything stupid.

This is all ignoring the fact that the secessionists would also be under attack from the better-trained, better-equipped, and better-supplied United States military, meaning that you couldn't devote anywhere near all of your resources to besieging major cities. Chances are you'd be annihilated before the supermarket shelves started to look a little bare.

[Benuty]

Not this shit again....

They will die down before bubbling up again. That nonsense with Jade Helm really got them on fire again though which seems even dumber than typical reasons for secession.

[New Ogunquit]

I wonder what Big Jim P would have to say about all this...

[Benuty]

I wonder what Big Jim P would have to say about all this...

Probably blame New York, and something about making sure the 2nd Amendment is still intact.

Oh, and bring that nice friend of theirs Anton Levay over too.

[Benuty]

Sam Houston would be so utterly disappointed if they were alive today at the things that pass as independence movements.

[New Ogunquit]

I wonder what Big Jim P would have to say about all this...

Probably blame New York, and something about making sure the 2nd Amendment is still intact.

Oh, and bring that nice friend of theirs Anton Levay over too.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I still wonder what it would be like if we just kicked Texas out, though...

[Imperial Esplanade]

Eh, I know that Texas didn't last economically when they were independent before... but I actually think they would survive if (and that's a HUGE if]) succession ever did happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Economy

People don't realize that Texas actually has a very strong economy that, yes while dependent on other states, could absorb quite the shock. Doesn't hurt that Texas is currently building its' own state-owned gold warehouse to protect itself economically. They won't be an economic powerhouse by any means, but I suspect they'll survive.

Congratulations on your 666th post by the way.

Lol, thank you.

[Seleucas]

I went ahead and signed it.

[Ethel mermania]

Texas legally cannot secede.

Sure they can, both Texas and Congress would have to approve it

[American Imperial Union]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I percieve as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

[New Ogunquit]

I went ahead and signed it.

You've earned my respect, internet stranger.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Texas legally cannot secede.

Sure they can, both Texas and Congress would have to approve it

Like I said before, the Democrats probably wouldn't mind voting away such a staunch Republican bastion. There's most of your votes right there.

[New Ogunquit]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I perciece as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

I knew these were your real opinions!

[The balkens]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I percieve as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

"HEY GUYS! GAYS CANT GET MARRIED! NIGGERS CAN BE OUR WORD AGAIN! JIM CROW WILL BE IN PLACE! SEGREGATION!? YOU BET YER ASS! AND WOMEN CANT VOTE!"

[The Romulan Republic]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-secessionists-launch-petition-drive-vote-break-away-012823002.html

Think of that! What is they actually manage it?

Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage nullified.

Texas has nuclear weapons in its territory. Would Texan soldiers in the federal army defect?

Can the rest of the south go with it? At least Oklahoma?

Libertarian paradise, or conservative utopia?

I know I would be moving.

1. Its not realistic. Texas won't go for it. And if they did, the Federal government wouldn't permit it. Texas having nuclear weapons would only mean that the Civil War MK II might be a nuclear war, which would end in either global ruin or China or Russia taking America's place as the dominant superpower if they were smart enough to stay out of it.

2. If US soldiers defected to such a state, they would be betraying their country, their oaths, and their duty.

2. That you would support this for the sake of basically recreating the Confederacy and taking marriage away from gay people is despicable. You dare to display an American flag while seeking to secede from and tear apart the US for the sake of your prejudice. Do you have no shame for your hypocrisy?

3. Such as state would be about as far from utopia or paradise as it gets. It would be a fucking theocracy with nuclear weapons. But maybe that's your idea of paradise. If so, I am sincerely glad you have no political power.