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And the second a Republican is elected President, "What secession? We're Red Blooded Americans, Dammit!"

Everything is bigger in Texas, especially the hypocrisy and temper tantrums.

Imperial Esplanade wrote:

The Forsworn Knights wrote:1 The United States federal military is not permitted to under any circumstances take action against united states citizens.
2 Texas would not be able to use their nukes, due to their not possessing the launch codes.
3 Their economy would collapse.
4 Cities would secede from Texas.
5 People would rebel against the Texan government.
6 We would probably ignore 1 and send soldiers to secure the territory and nukes anyway.
7 You dont want unstable micro-countries with high-class military hardware and poor economies running around on the Mexican border, thats just asking for the more powerful cartels to waltz over and claim an independant nation for themselves.

Eh, I know that Texas didn't last economically when they were independent before... but I actually think they would survive if (and that's a HUGE if]) succession ever did happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Economy

People don't realize that Texas actually has a very strong economy that, yes while dependent on other states, could absorb quite the shock. Doesn't hurt that Texas is currently building its' own state-owned gold warehouse to protect itself economically. They won't be an economic powerhouse by any means, but I suspect they'll survive.

Congratulations on your 666th post by the way.

Benuty wrote:Have Kim Jong Un send us a strong worded rant probably. When they aren't bitching at the UK to let go of the Falklands.

OH GOD, EVEN THE POTENTIAL DISAPPROVAL IS KILLING ME!

Benuty wrote:

Deuxtete wrote:What sarcasm, your position was plainly stated and you defended it...by citing a single incident.
You weren't being sarcastic, don't back peddle.
Only working class white people not on the coasts can be racist, its a horse shit position to hold, but at least own it.

Why should I own to a position when I was clearly fucking with you?

You weren't fucking with me, I responded to you. You stated your opinion about only working class whites being racists without any lead from me.

Deuxtete wrote:

Benuty wrote:Why should I own to a position when I was clearly fucking with you?

You weren't fucking with me, I responded to you. You stated your opinion about only working class whites being racists without any lead from me.

Except I was because it was your assumption that white suburbs in those states are automatically working class.

The Forsworn Knights wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Will that stop the US military from rolling in and crushing their hopes and dreams for an independent Texas?

1 The United States federal military is not permitted to under any circumstances take action against united states citizens.
2 Texas would not be able to use their nukes, due to their not possessing the launch codes.
3 Their economy would collapse.
4 Cities would secede from Texas.
5 People would rebel against the Texan government.
6 We would probably ignore 1 and send soldiers to secure the territory and nukes anyway.
7 You dont want unstable micro-countries with high-class military hardware and poor economies running around on the Mexican border, thats just asking for the more powerful cartels to waltz over and claim an independant nation for themselves.

1. Never stop the Federal government from sending troops to crush insurrection. See the American Civil War, Shay's Rebellion, and the miner strikes to say a few.
2. So true
3. So true
4. Probably, City folk and rural folk rarely see eye to eye.
5. Yes
6. The US government would.
7. So true or would cause a border war that would force the US to intervene and reabsorb Texas.

Kheiastan wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Texas legally cannot secede.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
The United Nations disagrees.

The UN wouldn't do Jack if the US sent troops in Texas to crush a insurrection

Also on the whole thing. Can this retarded issue please just end. The Civil War ended any discussion on succession......Period. No state can leave the Union legally and not without a bloodbath. These retards that keep hawking this up seriously need to get a life and move on. You want to change things in the US. Vote in November.

Is it treason?

Not if you've never sworn allegiance to the United states.
Founding fathers were traitors and wrote a declaration of independence saying a people had the right to overthrow government.

That's the thing about treason. You lose and your just a bunch of traitors spouting evil and immoral secession. But winning has an odd way of making traitors into heroes. Let's not forget they'd have hung all the founding fathers, who had all in the past swore allegiance to the king.

Is it illegal?

No. Texas vs. White is the ruling that says secession is illegal and they lay out several legal ways for a state to secede. I shall quote the majority opinion from Texas vs white regarding that;

"The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States. " - - Chief Justice Salmon p. Chase. Texas vs. White.

Will Texas turn into Sudan or some other third world hole?

No. Texas is far too advanced and the Texas state government, for all its problems, is far more effective.
It's not an uncommon argument for those opposed to secession to say any state that secedes will simply turn into a third world shithole if they go more than 15 minutes without the guidance of the federal government. But that's just ideological rhetoric, lacking evidence and not based on fact. Not saying Texas would necessarily be an economic paradise, but it won't turn into Sudan.

Will cities secede from Texas?

Doubtful, considering they are surrounded by Texas. Making it rather unpracticable. Requiring Texas for all their resources, and those resources not locally acquired would have to pass through Texas. It's far more likely that those opposed to secession will just pack up and move. Just like the loyalists after the revolution.

Exxosia wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Texas legally cannot secede.

Technically, when a state secedes from another state, the laws of the state they secede from do not apply to the seceding state. Thus the legality of the secession becomes moot.

According to what technicality?

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Kheiastan wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Texas legally cannot secede.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
The United Nations disagrees.

The Supreme Court of the United States doesn't.

Benuty wrote:

Deuxtete wrote:You weren't fucking with me, I responded to you. You stated your opinion about only working class whites being racists without any lead from me.

Except I was because it was your assumption that white suburbs in those states are automatically working class.

That's not any more an assumption than they aren't(far less actually), its much less of a leap than your position that only working class whites can be racist.

Deuxtete wrote:

Benuty wrote:Except I was because it was your assumption that white suburbs in those states are automatically working class.

That's not any more an assumption than they aren't, its much less of a leap than your position that only working class whites can be racist.

Last I recall it wasn't working class whites that blocked the roads from Detroit.

American Imperial Union wrote:Is it treason?

Not if you've never sworn allegiance to the United states.
Founding fathers were traitors and wrote a declaration of independence saying a people had the right to overthrow government.

That's the thing about treason. You lose and your just a bunch of traitors spouting evil and immoral secession. But winning has an odd way of making traitors into heroes. Let's not forget they'd have hung all the founding fathers, who had all in the past swore allegiance to the king.

Is it illegal?

No. Texas vs. White is the ruling that says secession is illegal and they lay out several legal ways for a state to secede. I shall quote the majority opinion from Texas vs white regarding that;

"The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States. " - - Chief Justice Salmon p. Chase. Texas vs. White.

Will Texas turn into Sudan or some other third world hole?

No. Texas is far too advanced and the Texas state government, for all its problems, is far more effective.
It's not an uncommon argument for those opposed to secession to say any state that secedes will simply turn into a third world shithole if they go more than 15 minutes without the guidance of the federal government. But that's just ideological rhetoric, lacking evidence and not based on fact. Not saying Texas would necessarily be an economic paradise, but it won't turn into Sudan.

Will cities secede from Texas?

Doubtful, considering they are surrounded by Texas. Making it rather unpracticable. Requiring Texas for all their resources, and those resources not locally acquired would have to pass through Texas. It's far more likely that those opposed to secession will just pack up and move. Just like the loyalists after the revolution.

Will The US Military Crush them?

You bet your ass they will

Benuty wrote:

Deuxtete wrote:That's not any more an assumption than they aren't, its much less of a leap than your position that only working class whites can be racist.

Last I recall it wasn't working class whites that blocked the roads from Detroit.

Hmmm being a native Detroiter I don't recall roadblocks ...I'm betting you don't either.

American Imperial Union wrote:Is it treason?

Not if you've never sworn allegiance to the United states.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Founding fathers were traitors and wrote a declaration of independence saying a people had the right to overthrow government.

They also wrote a constitution which declared treason a crime.

If Texas declared independence and tried to fight against the US military, the equivalence factor would be like a baby (Texas) taking on the Predator

Ifreann wrote:

American Imperial Union wrote:Founding fathers were traitors and wrote a declaration of independence saying a people had the right to overthrow government.

They also wrote a constitution which declared treason a crime.

Texas can write a Declaration of Independence stating the crimes the United States committed against it. Kek.

Polar Svalbard wrote:Will The US Military Crush them?

You bet your ass they will

Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

American Imperial Union wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Will The US Military Crush them?

You bet your ass they will

Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

Which they don't control nor have access to the launch codes

Lauranienne wrote:If Texas declared independence and tried to fight against the US military, the equivalence factor would be like a baby (Texas) taking on the Predator

Not really. The Predator wouldn't bother fighting a baby.

Deuxtete wrote:

Benuty wrote:Last I recall it wasn't working class whites that blocked the roads from Detroit.

Hmmm being a native Detroiter I don't recall roadblocks ...I'm betting you don't either.

Because maybe they didn't want residents from the motor city coming into their neighborhood?

From possibly the flimsiest of reasons ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... sse-pointe

Texas wouldn't last a day. After all, it isn't as if they possess any valuable resources such as maybe, uranium or oil. They sure as hell don't have their own culture or military force (sarcasm).

That said, I think the vast majority of Texans are opposed to secession, but these sorts of movements will be overplayed (largely by liberals, but not always) regardless to maintain the "dumb southerner" stereotype. Texas is a US state and seems entirely aware of its status as such.

American Imperial Union wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Will The US Military Crush them?

You bet your ass they will

Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

What Nukes? The nukes that the Government control?

Ifreann wrote:

Lauranienne wrote:If Texas declared independence and tried to fight against the US military, the equivalence factor would be like a baby (Texas) taking on the Predator

Not really. The Predator wouldn't bother fighting a baby.

It would if it had a sharp stick

American Imperial Union wrote:

Polar Svalbard wrote:Will The US Military Crush them?

You bet your ass they will

Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

Congress won't. And you'd have to be out of your mind to even consider using one on the same continent as yourself.

The balkens wrote:

American Imperial Union wrote:
Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

What Nukes? The nukes that the Government control?

Speaking of said disasters waiting to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g

Good old fashioned horror story.

New Ogunquit wrote:

American Imperial Union wrote:
Not if Congress consents.

Oh, and nukes.

Congress won't. And you'd have to be out of your mind to even consider using one on the same continent as yourself.

Especially against another nuclear power.