Texas secessionists launch petition drive

[Ifreann]

If Texan rebels can capture a nuclear weapon then why could the US not just capture them back?

Obvious. The South has the secret powers of alternatehistorywank and what they don't want you to know is that it took Yankee time travellers with rayguns to destroy the Confederacy all the way back. But this time Texas knows. Oh yes, Texas knows and Texas is prepared for all the time travellers. All of them.

Maybe they're prepared for future time travellers, but what about our armies of past time travellers?
*redcoats*

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States aren't forced to remain in the union. States aren't allowed to unilaterally secede.

It would be treason to attack the US in an attempt to secede by force, given that there is a functioning democracy in place.

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1) If states cannot secede then isn't that the same as forcing them to remain in the union?

States can secede. States cannot secede unilaterally.

2) From what i've seen in this thread many people think that just having a vote to secede is treason

Some people do have odd ideas about treason. Which is strange, since it's set out pretty clearly in the US Constitution.

[North Arkana]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance.

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

[Pan-America under the United States]

Oh boy, here we go again.

A bunch of uneducated, bible thumping Ultra-Conservatives want to relive the "glory days" of The Ol' South by trying to secede. Again.

OP, you're excited for nothing. Nothing will happen. Texas will never secede so long as the United States is alive.

How many times has these petitions popped up already? Three times? Four? Nothing happens. And not only that, how in God's name would they pull that off? There's 49 other states willing to prevent that from happening.

[American Imperial Union]

Because the United states will not risk invading Texas if it has nukes rendering the use of them unnecessary.

If Texas is threatening us with nukes, it's not safe to have them on our borders and we have to do something about it.

If the federal government argues that Texas is still legally part of the Union, its going to be hard to justify a retaliatory nuking of what you consider your own territory just because a couple "rebels" or "terrorists" or whatever BS the government uses, got some nukes. You really think they would nuke Austin or Houston in retaliation? Plus any retaliation would screw over the whole continent. Good luck trying to get Texas back into the Union after you just nuked millions of Texans endearing that state's people to your unionist cause.

That's why General Sherman was totally hated in the North and overseas -- definitely not applauded as a war hero or anything -- and why we never got Georgia back in the Union.

Sorry, but if Texas uses nukes, it's pretty fucking easy to justify responding in kind. And anyone that doesn't want to come back to the Union after starting a nuclear civil war can just be killed off or chucked in prison. They won't get any sympathy after they started a nuclear war.

Texas' best shot at independence is to keep their hands off the Union's nukes and just negotiate peacefully so they look civilized and get sympathy from people in other states and overseas.

I disagree. The United states will not retaliate by nuking Texas unless they recognize the sovereignty of Texas.
Also most cities are liberal, so if you nuke the right ones it might nullify the reasons of secession. Depending on what you nuke. Not that I'm supporting nuking anyone, I'm just saying.

[Mefpan]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance. Not saying it would happen, but it would be nice political retaliation for Ukraine.

>Russian weapons across the Pacific
Doubtful.

And...hold on. Do they even keep launch codes for nuclear armaments on site? Because I was quite certain you'd need information from further up the chain of command to be able to make use of those, at least for the American arsenal.

[American Imperial Union]

Oh boy, here we go again.

A bunch of uneducated, bible thumping Ultra-Conservatives want to relive the "glory days" of The Ol' South by trying to secede. Again.

OP, you're excited for nothing. Nothing will happen. Texas will never secede so long as the United States is alive.

How many times has these petitions popped up already? Three times? Four? Nothing happens. And not only that, how in God's name would they pull that off? There's 49 other states willing to prevent that from happening.

Im not opposed to that

[Pan-America under the United States]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance. Not saying it would happen, but it would be nice political retaliation for Ukraine.

>Russian weapons across the Pacific
Doubtful.

And...hold on. Do they even keep launch codes for nuclear armaments on site? Because I was quite certain you'd need information from further up the chain of command to be able to make use of those, at least for the American arsenal.

Nuclear Football is too OP.

[USS Monitor]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance. Not saying it would happen, but it would be nice political retaliation for Ukraine.

It's being dismissed because it's bullshit.

Also, Russia wouldn't want to risk a war with the US over something this stupid. They managed to not start WW3 all the way through the Cold War -- so why would they want to pick a fight now? It's pretty obvious that as much as they don't see eye-to-eye with the US, they still recognize our military strength and prefer not to fight us.

[Mefpan]

Obvious. The South has the secret powers of alternatehistorywank and what they don't want you to know is that it took Yankee time travellers with rayguns to destroy the Confederacy all the way back. But this time Texas knows. Oh yes, Texas knows and Texas is prepared for all the time travellers. All of them.

Maybe they're prepared for future time travellers, but what about our armies of past time travellers?
*redcoats*

BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA WAIVES THE RULES.

[American Imperial Union]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance.

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

[North Arkana]

I'm not saying Texas will manage it, only that its a possibility that is being too easily dismissed. Also, it would be dumb not to be launch ready for the whole period of secession in case of attempted recapture.

And a navy seal can end a Taliban plotters life too, but the insurgency lives on.

Also, Russian weapons assistance. Not saying it would happen, but it would be nice political retaliation for Ukraine.

>Russian weapons across the Pacific
Doubtful.

And...hold on. Do they even keep launch codes for nuclear armaments on site? Because I was quite certain you'd need information from further up the chain of command to be able to make use of those, at least for the American arsenal.

We've already thoroughly dismantled AIU's (lack of) logic and arguments, like those nukes are in Texas. He just keeps bringing them back up cus he needs to keep this thread alive to try to find fellow rebels to join his holy crusade.

[New England and Virginia]

Have my pleas for no bullshit gone unheeded? Shame.

[North Arkana]

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Now your just dreaming. Cuba wouldn't risk the economic boost that will come from normalization of relations with the US to help a state with a good number of people who still despise them like it's the 1960s. And subs operating close to shore are just stupid tubes waiting to be sunk.

[Pan-America under the United States]

Maybe they're prepared for future time travellers, but what about our armies of past time travellers?
*redcoats*

BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA WAIVES THE RULES.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Storck%2C_Four_Days_Battle.jpg

Never forget.

[New England and Virginia]

BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA WAIVES THE RULES.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Storck%2C_Four_Days_Battle.jpg

Never forget.

Never forghetti, mom's spaghetti.

[Ifreann]

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Missiles on Cuba? Sounds like something of a crisis...

[European Socialist Republic]

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Now your just dreaming. Cuba wouldn't risk the economic boost that will come from normalization of relations with the US to help a state with a good number of people who still despise them like it's the 1960s. And subs operating close to shore are just stupid tubes waiting to be sunk.

Next: the Nazis arrive from their bases in Antarctica, the Hollow Earth and on the moon to help Texas in their fight. It has as much chance of happening.

[Pan-America under the United States]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Storck%2C_Four_Days_Battle.jpg

Never forget.

Never forghetti, mom's spaghetti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-BU6keEUw

[USS Monitor]

If Texas is threatening us with nukes, it's not safe to have them on our borders and we have to do something about it.



That's why General Sherman was totally hated in the North and overseas -- definitely not applauded as a war hero or anything -- and why we never got Georgia back in the Union.

Sorry, but if Texas uses nukes, it's pretty fucking easy to justify responding in kind. And anyone that doesn't want to come back to the Union after starting a nuclear civil war can just be killed off or chucked in prison. They won't get any sympathy after they started a nuclear war.

Texas' best shot at independence is to keep their hands off the Union's nukes and just negotiate peacefully so they look civilized and get sympathy from people in other states and overseas.

I disagree. The United states will not retaliate by nuking Texas unless they recognize the sovereignty of Texas.
Also most cities are liberal, so if you nuke the right ones it might nullify the reasons of secession. Depending on what you nuke. Not that I'm supporting nuking anyone, I'm just saying.

We burned Atlanta without recognizing the sovereignty of Georgia. How is this different?

And it's not about liberal or conservative. It's about places that are supporting an enemy war effort which has used nukes against the US.

[Mefpan]

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Cuba is on the Atlantic side of the American supercontinent. Not only do you have to get through the American fleet, but you also have to get past the clusterfuck of NATO states in Europe that will gladly tattle on Russia if anything abnormal comes America's way.

[American Imperial Union]

>Russian weapons across the Pacific
Doubtful.

And...hold on. Do they even keep launch codes for nuclear armaments on site? Because I was quite certain you'd need information from further up the chain of command to be able to make use of those, at least for the American arsenal.

We've already thoroughly dismantled AIU's (lack of) logic and arguments, like those nukes are in Texas. He just keeps bringing them back up cus he needs to keep this thread alive to try to find fellow rebels to join his holy crusade.

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

[Imperializt Russia]

What part of the Union nuking Texas back in retaliation do you not get? One nuke is not enough to defeat the Union. It is enough to make the Union hellbent on destroying you.

Why are you so stubborn in arguing this crap?

And no, I'm not arguing against you from some kind of nationalistic "states can't secede" mentality. I'm a New England secessionist. I'm just telling you you're wrong because you're actually wrong.

Because the United states will not risk invading Texas if it has nukes rendering the use of them unnecessary.

They absolutely will "risk" that because errant nuclear devices in the hands of violent secessionists is a near and evident threat to the US that must be dealt with.

[North Arkana]

We've already thoroughly dismantled AIU's (lack of) logic and arguments, like those nukes are in Texas. He just keeps bringing them back up cus he needs to keep this thread alive to try to find fellow rebels to join his holy crusade.

I disagree. I'm not the only one arguing for its possibility.

The only ones lacking argument or logic are those dismissing the talk as impossible or simply dismissing their opponents as traitors. You think the United states would risk war with a nuclear power like Russia, over the supplying of rebels?

It seems some appear to live in a fantasy world where the United states is invulnerable to successful rebellion or secession

You act like Russia, crazy as they are, would risk supplying the rebels, who aren't directly next door.

[USS Monitor]

Also, US Navy and Coastguard. Do you know what the Navy and Coastguard are actually very good at? Interdicting illegal shipments, especially when they have to come all the around and into the Gulf. Cus the Navy and Coastguard totally wouldn't blockade the ports. The shipments wouldn't get within pissing range of Texas.

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Cuba is not Russia, and it's possible to spot submarines using radar and whatnot.

[European Socialist Republic]

Submarines and Cuba as a base.

Missiles on Cuba? Sounds like something of a crisis...

Are we going to reenact the invasion of the Bay of Pigs?