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Postby Diopolis » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Diopolis wrote: :clap:
There's a sizable contingent from the "restricting abortion is worse than slavery/banning gay marriage is the same thing as stoning women for not wearing a burka" camp that wants Texas retained to force liberal social policies on it. Mostly, however, I think they want Texas retained because the state with the second largest economy and population and most of the refinery capacity suddenly withdrawing from the union would inevitably create some economic and budgetary issues in the rest of the country- which is why I favor a graduated secession plan.


God dammit, you're right. This is all some plot to keep the Glorious Texas down because we're all secretly super jealous and we know they're policies and ideas are superior to our own. This is about forcing our terrible, freedom crushing, ideology down the throats of every good god-fearing Texan to convert them to atheist homosexual hippies who hate freedom. Damn, you busted our whole operation. It's not like that if Texas were to leave, we'd have a case were every state would want to leave, and having 50+ nations sharing the same area of the US isn't exactly going to be the most beneficial thing to all of them, nope, we just are really jealous of Texan might, you glorious bastards you.

I never suggested anything like that. I suggested that some people oppose Texas secession because they hate conservative social policies but that most oppose it because the second largest state in the union suddenly leaving would cause some economic problems.
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Postby West Dixieland » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:24 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:Oooor... we could completely seal off Texas (with a naval blockade, huge wall, minefields etc.) and then use it as a penal colony for all unwanted extremists. Nazis, ISIS, the KKK, Kim Jong-un, Donald Trump, you name it.

>Texas becomes a new paradise
>left community demands they accept immigration
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Postby Benuty » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:36 pm

West Dixieland wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Oooor... we could completely seal off Texas (with a naval blockade, huge wall, minefields etc.) and then use it as a penal colony for all unwanted extremists. Nazis, ISIS, the KKK, Kim Jong-un, Donald Trump, you name it.

>Texas becomes a new paradise
>left community demands they accept immigration

Not enough steps in this process to explain how Texas could become a literal Garden on Eden on earth.
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Postby New England and Virginia » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:38 pm

I feel like I wasted my time writing my criticism of people opposed to Texas secession, since no one seems to be replying to it.

Fuck...
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:45 pm

New England and Virginia wrote:I feel like I wasted my time writing my criticism of people opposed to Texas secession, since no one seems to be replying to it.

Fuck...


I can answer that question pretty easily. Currently the people of Texas do not want to secede. Even if that were not the case, the US has an obligation to the US citizens who wish to remain part of the US, even if they were more of a minority. More then that, considering that Texas has military bases and the such there, the US has an obligation to defend those bases to ensure they do not fall into the hands of those who are not art of the US.
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Postby Wasp Town » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:56 pm

West Dixieland wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Oooor... we could completely seal off Texas (with a naval blockade, huge wall, minefields etc.) and then use it as a penal colony for all unwanted extremists. Nazis, ISIS, the KKK, Kim Jong-un, Donald Trump, you name it.

>Texas becomes a new paradise
>left community demands they accept immigration

Yes. Everyone knows that a nation composed of Nazis, Fanatics, Racists and Radicals all with different ideologies and general hatred for eachother will become a magical paradise of sunshine, rainbows and the all white Aryan master race. It only makes sense, and if you argue with it you are clearly a homosexual hippy Satan worshiping atheist Muslim Obama-loving Mexican Jesus-Hating freedom smashing abomination.

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Postby Exxosia » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:58 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Will that stop the US military from rolling in and crushing their hopes and dreams for an independent Texas?

No. Nothing would stop the US from doing whatever it wants.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:1 The United States federal military is not permitted to under any circumstances take action against united states citizens.

That has not stopped them from perpetrating numerous acts of violence against the citizenry for over 200 years.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:2 Texas would not be able to use their nukes, due to their not possessing the launch codes.

Somehow, I think they'd be able to circumvent those systems, but they would more likely give the nukes to the US in the secession process.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:3 Their economy would collapse.

Out from under the yoke of the US, their economy would likely expand dramatically. You have to consider an independent country not operating under the rules of the parent country.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:4 Cities would secede from Texas.

Unlikely as secession would have to rely on a majority beyond 85% to have a strong foundation.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:5 People would rebel against the Texan government.

Again, unlikely as secession would have to rely on a majority beyond 85% to have a strong foundation.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:6 We would probably ignore 1 and send soldiers to secure the territory and nukes anyway.

This is true, the US will stop at nothing to accomplish anything, especially if there is a non-violent path to avoid.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:7 You don't want unstable micro-countries with high-class military hardware and poor economies running around on the Mexican border, thats just asking for the more powerful cartels to waltz over and claim an independant nation for themselves.

Texas would probably invade Mexico and solve the cartel problem.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:18 pm

Exxosia wrote:
The Forsworn Knights wrote:No. Nothing would stop the US from doing whatever it wants.

That has not stopped them from perpetrating numerous acts of violence against the citizenry for over 200 years.

Somehow, I think they'd be able to circumvent those systems, but they would more likely give the nukes to the US in the secession process.

Out from under the yoke of the US, their economy would likely expand dramatically. You have to consider an independent country not operating under the rules of the parent country.

Unlikely as secession would have to rely on a majority beyond 85% to have a strong foundation.

Again, unlikely as secession would have to rely on a majority beyond 85% to have a strong foundation.

This is true, the US will stop at nothing to accomplish anything, especially if there is a non-violent path to avoid.

Texas would probably invade Mexico and solve the cartel problem.


Or the cartels would enter the weaker fledgling nation and solve the Texas problem :p
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:20 pm

New England and Virginia wrote:I feel like I wasted my time writing my criticism of people opposed to Texas secession, since no one seems to be replying to it.

Fuck...


I have nothing to say because I'm not opposed to secession.

Also, some people did reply.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:22 pm

Solution. Send Texas a letter saying 'gib nukes git freedom.'

Then just let them go.

Then let them feel the weight of a total embargo, and watch the state tear itself inside out.

B-b-but they'll hook up with Mexico!

No they won't.
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:26 pm

I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:42 pm

Omega America II wrote:I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.


They tried before and killed half a million.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:44 pm

Omega America II wrote:I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.

Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:45 pm

The balkens wrote:
Omega America II wrote:I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.


They tried before and killed half a million.

I still am surprised other states haven't done this yet now. It's stunning.
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Postby North Arkana » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:46 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Omega America II wrote:I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.

Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.

Probably the threat of the liberal-nazi-communist-socialist-illegal-immigrant-liberal-media-obama-not-american-citizen plot we've all been brainwashed not to see.
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:47 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Omega America II wrote:I can see why. It's a wonder other states haven't done this yet.

Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.

It just seems like most people in the south agree on one thing and people in the north agree with one thing. It just seems like other states would be on a similar path.
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:48 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.

Probably the threat of the liberal-nazi-communist-socialist-illegal-immigrant-liberal-media-obama-not-american-citizen plot we've all been brainwashed not to see.

Wow. Lol. That actually sums it up.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:49 pm

Omega America II wrote:
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They tried before and killed half a million.

I still am surprised other states haven't done this yet now. It's stunning.


If they want a sequel, its going to have the same plot, bigger budget and the same ending.

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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:50 pm

The balkens wrote:
Omega America II wrote:I still am surprised other states haven't done this yet now. It's stunning.


If they want a sequel, its going to have the same plot, bigger budget and the same ending.

If this country does go into Civl War again, I think the military would be split, and this time both sides would have nukes. A different ending, and more deaths is what I see happening.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:52 pm

Omega America II wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.

It just seems like most people in the south agree on one thing and people in the north agree with one thing. It just seems like other states would be on a similar path.


The division as far as culture is concerned is far more complicated than north and south.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:52 pm

Omega America II wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Probably the threat of the liberal-nazi-communist-socialist-illegal-immigrant-liberal-media-obama-not-american-citizen plot we've all been brainwashed not to see.

Wow. Lol. That actually sums it up.

So you think Texas should leave the Union because that bully Obama lets the gays kiss?
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:54 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Omega America II wrote:Wow. Lol. That actually sums it up.

So you think Texas should leave the Union because that bully Obama lets the gays kiss?

No, that isn't enough to get a state succede. I don't think they should, I mean, what the point in it?
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Postby Ravenflight » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:The petition for a death star had more hope of achieving its goal.

Where is this! Let me sign this! 'Merica!
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Postby Omega America II » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:55 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Omega America II wrote:It just seems like most people in the south agree on one thing and people in the north agree with one thing. It just seems like other states would be on a similar path.


The division as far as culture is concerned is far more complicated than north and south.

Yes, that is very true.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:55 pm

Omega America II wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Why? Please enlighten us to this malaise that Texas sees, that the rest of the union simply cannot.

It just seems like most people in the south agree on one thing and people in the north agree with one thing. It just seems like other states would be on a similar path.


Not very familiar with the North, are we?
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