Best place for Libertarian colonization?

[Big Jim P]

Let me find my VooDoo kit and we will see.

Can you get Teddy Roosevelt too?

That would be some silly shit.

I might have to break out my C.D.Ward kit for that.

[Zottistan]

As far away from the rest of civilization as humanly possible.

[Gauthier]

As far away from the rest of civilization as humanly possible.

As soon as we discover sea slugs that poop stem cells the problem will solve itself.

[Jeffersonian Oregon]

Libertarians are already moving to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project; I'm not so sure that becoming an independent nation is the most popular end result, but it's been mentioned as a possibility before. I think that is one of the better places for colonization by libertarians, particularly for certain types of libertarian.

[BK117B2]

Certainly very humorous, but not very reasoned.

Certainly you can logically prove it wrong? I mean, surely you will take the time to become familiar with the political theory behind it, and then explain what's wrong with it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft!

Very easily. It blatantly contradicts itself on saying that property is theft on one hand, but that it all ACTUALLY belongs to the state on the other. It claims that everyone accepts their version of a social contract despite the fact that some do not. It claims that armed people assaulting someone who is minding their own business is not initiation of force. This ignores the very meanings of those words.

That piece contains a lot of poorly thought out rambling.

[BK117B2]

It's truly telling that "libertarians" could possibly associate anything good with the word "colonization".

Right now, humanity cannot survive beyond Earth, only visit for short periods.

When the ability to actually survive exists, then the ability for capitalism and a free market will exist.

No, when the ability to survive in space exists, technology would have to have advanced to such a degree that an anachronism such as the capitalist demand for wage labor and private property will be infeasible.

I disagree. Property will become an anacrhonism as soon as every person can have as much of everything they want as they want. There is no indication of that happening anytime even remotely soon.

[BK117B2]

Taxing in exchange for services provided is fine. I enjoy a number of government services, and I am quite comfortable with the level of taxation needed to sustain them.

This does not alter the fact that there are other people who do not want to participate in such an exchange.

Well, if they don't work, don't live on a property etc. then they don't have many taxes to pay, do they? And if they do, they probably need or enjoy a number of government services again. Even the hermit in the forest can take advantage of the defense and law & order services provided.

That doesn't mean that your "hermit in the forest" chooses to do so. I CAN buy 50 kg of garlic today if I choose, but I do not so choose

[Sun Wukong]

I'd say Mars, but we all know it belongs to the Communists.

[Jute]

Certainly you can logically prove it wrong? I mean, surely you will take the time to become familiar with the political theory behind it, and then explain what's wrong with it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft!

Very easily. It blatantly contradicts itself on saying that property is theft on one hand, but that it all ACTUALLY belongs to the state on the other. It claims that everyone accepts their version of a social contract despite the fact that some do not. It claims that armed people assaulting someone who is minding their own business is not initiation of force. This ignores the very meanings of those words.

That piece contains a lot of poorly thought out rambling.

"State". These people are anarchists, they are opposed to the state. So they obviously don't think it belongs to the state either.

[BK117B2]

Very easily. It blatantly contradicts itself on saying that property is theft on one hand, but that it all ACTUALLY belongs to the state on the other. It claims that everyone accepts their version of a social contract despite the fact that some do not. It claims that armed people assaulting someone who is minding their own business is not initiation of force. This ignores the very meanings of those words.

That piece contains a lot of poorly thought out rambling.

"State". These people are anarchists, they are opposed to the state. So they obviously don't think it belongs to the state either.

Which people are anarchists?

[Trotskylvania]

Capitalism and the free market cannot survive in space.

You cannot rely upon all the free labor done by the Earth's biosphere. You have to meticulously recreate it in order to just keep breathing. Every aspect of economic activity must be planned or you will die.

Right now, humanity cannot survive beyond Earth, only visit for short periods.

When the ability to actually survive exists, then the ability for capitalism and a free market will exist.

Whoever controls your life-support is the de facto state. All economic activity will have to be rigidly planned to conform to the life-support system, whether it is a small space hab, or a gigantic O'Neil Cylinder, or, I cannot emphasize this enough, you will die.

[Jute]

Well, if they don't work, don't live on a property etc. then they don't have many taxes to pay, do they? And if they do, they probably need or enjoy a number of government services again. Even the hermit in the forest can take advantage of the defense and law & order services provided.

That doesn't mean that your "hermit in the forest" chooses to do so. I CAN buy 50 kg of garlic today if I choose, but I do not so choose

No, he takes advantage of them, He benefits from it, whether he wants or not. If the country was attacked, the military would protect the state he's living in, and with that, him as well.
The only way he wouldn't would be if he lived in terra nullius.

[Jute]

"State". These people are anarchists, they are opposed to the state. So they obviously don't think it belongs to the state either.

Which people are anarchists?

Those that I linked to who said "Property is theft".

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Mordor.

[North America Inc]

Rapture
*nods

[BK117B2]

Right now, humanity cannot survive beyond Earth, only visit for short periods.

When the ability to actually survive exists, then the ability for capitalism and a free market will exist.

Whoever controls your life-support is the de facto state. All economic activity will have to be rigidly planned to conform to the life-support system, whether it is a small space hab, or a gigantic O'Neil Cylinder, or, I cannot emphasize this enough, you will die.

And having my own life support or getting together with others and building a bigger habitat does not preclude freely exchanging goods or services.

[Sun Wukong]

Mordor.

The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

[Zottistan]

Mordor.

The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

I will never be able to unsee that.

[BK117B2]

Which people are anarchists?

Those that I linked to who said "Property is theft".

Interesting, considering that the thing supports having a state over and over and over

[BK117B2]

That doesn't mean that your "hermit in the forest" chooses to do so. I CAN buy 50 kg of garlic today if I choose, but I do not so choose

No, he takes advantage of them, He benefits from it, whether he wants or not. If the country was attacked, the military would protect the state he's living in, and with that, him as well.
The only way he wouldn't would be if he lived in terra nullius.

That's not the hermit taking advantage of something. That's the country voluntarily choosing to provide that protection.

The fact is that being able to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

Other people DO take advantage of government services since they're already being taxed. If someone is already forcibly taking payment, then they figure that they may as well go ahead and take the services

[Jute]

No, he takes advantage of them, He benefits from it, whether he wants or not. If the country was attacked, the military would protect the state he's living in, and with that, him as well.
The only way he wouldn't would be if he lived in terra nullius.

That's not the hermit taking advantage of something. That's the country voluntarily choosing to provide that protection.

The fact is that being able to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

Other people DO take advantage of government services since they're already being taxed. If someone is already forcibly taking payment, then they figure that they may as well go ahead and take the services

I think your birth already used government services, and your childhood later. As I said, you depend on them. You do not choose to take them, the only way to choose against them is to leave the nation.

Those that I linked to who said "Property is theft".

Interesting, considering that the thing supports having a state over and over and over

What thing?

[Meridiani Planum]

The trolls are out in force in this thread.

[Hurdegaryp]

The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

I will never be able to unsee that.

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase 'burning with lust', too.

[BK117B2]

That's not the hermit taking advantage of something. That's the country voluntarily choosing to provide that protection.

The fact is that being able to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

Other people DO take advantage of government services since they're already being taxed. If someone is already forcibly taking payment, then they figure that they may as well go ahead and take the services

I think your birth already used government services, and your childhood later. As I said, you depend on them. You do not choose to take them, the only way to choose against them is to leave the nation.

Interesting, considering that the thing supports having a state over and over and over

What thing?

Obviously you are wrong. One need not leave a nation in order to not choose government service

The thing is the typed piece at the end of the link....the 'thing' if you will that we were just discussing

[Hurdegaryp]

Someone just finished reading Atlas Shrugged.

To get through that book, you'll need to consume more speed than it took for Rand to write it.