Kentucky County Clerk Denies Gay Marriage Licenses

[Neutraligon]

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

Marriage I the US is a secular institution. No church involvement is required for a marriage to be valid.

For that matter if a church would perform a marriage ceremony without the government papers and all that, then as far as the government is concerned no marriage has taken place.

[Geilinor]

Or a government official in the right capacity. I don't know why you think you need a priest to get married, because, legally, you don't

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

You don't need Christianity to get married. Do you think non-Christians don't have marriage?

[Mondoncon]

Or a government official in the right capacity. I don't know why you think you need a priest to get married, because, legally, you don't

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

[Vaikneland]

Kim Davis is the connection if the Christian church. Forcing her to marry someone does not follow the constitution. And yet people complain about how we have no freedom anymore.

Kim Davis has nothing to do with the Christian church while she is in the office. She might have a connection outside office, but while she is in the office she is solely a county clerk.

Wow her whole identity changes when she walks through the doors at the cout house! Please tell me how she does that, I wish I could do the same.

[Highfort]

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

Marriage is not a Christian-exclusive institution. Romans were getting married long before the pathetic figure that is Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

You don't need Christianity to get married. Do you think non-Christians don't have marriage?

Obviously not. *nods*

[Vaikneland]

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman (or, in some jurisdictions, two people of the same sex) as partners in a relationship.

I don't see religion in that clause anywhere.

the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

: a similar relationship between people of the same sex

: a ceremony in which two people are married to each other

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2
: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3
: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

So....

[Dyakovo]

Marriage has changed in definition enough times that your argument is, shall we say... A thousand years dead.

Define marriage then.

The legally recognized union of two people in a relationship.

Where do you go for marriages, and who marries you?

The courthouse, and a justice of the peace.

What do those things involve, sir?

The government.

[Geilinor]

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

Davis' personal definition doesn't matter to the county.

[Mondoncon]

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

Which makes her incapable of serving in her position, which means she must resign or face the legal consequences. She has options which preserve her rights, and she refused to take them.

[Vaikneland]

Well you clearly need to get through Christianity somehow. Also, I noticed you're a communist, and I can see why your vision is so clouded

Marriage is not a Christian-exclusive institution. Romans were getting married long before the pathetic figure that is Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross.

If you aren't Christian, and you wish to get married through Davis, you obviously had to get some form of Christian values connected to you at that point

[Highfort]

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

Davis is a government employee and their definition of marriage supersedes her own as far as her work as county clerk is concerned. If she was a court judge and defined murder differently from how the government defines it, that wouldn't permit her to let murders go off scotch-free or to give them lighter sentences just because she disagrees with the jury and the law.

[Grenartia]

Kim Davis has nothing to do with the Christian church while she is in the office. She might have a connection outside office, but while she is in the office she is solely a county clerk.

Wow her whole identity changes when she walks through the doors at the cout house! Please tell me how she does that, I wish I could do the same.

Become a government employee, and thus, obligated to serve all people, regardless of what your misguided pastor tells you, based on a handful of misinterpreted passages from a 2-millenia old book.

[Vaikneland]

It defines Davis' definition of it

Which makes her incapable of serving in her position, which means she must resign or face the legal consequences. She has options which preserve her rights, and she refused to take them.

Yes, so you fire her. Not throw her in jail with no bail. If anyone should be thrown in jail, it should be Hillary Clinton or Obama. But no they're above the law because they're in office and they're Liberal.

[Highfort]

If you aren't Christian, and you wish to get married through Davis, you obviously had to get some form of Christian values connected to you at that point

Nope. Davis is supposed to issue licenses for any marriage, and if she wasn't then she would be violating the Establishment Clause by having the government she was representing favor certain religions when it came to marriage. If a Muslim, Jewish, atheist, Buddhist, or gay couple wants to get a government marriage license, it is her job to provide one.

[Neutraligon]

Kim Davis has nothing to do with the Christian church while she is in the office. She might have a connection outside office, but while she is in the office she is solely a county clerk.

Wow her whole identity changes when she walks through the doors at the cout house! Please tell me how she does that, I wish I could do the same.

Her identity no, her religion while she is in office however is completely irrelevant and limited as per the first amendment. If she is unable to do her job because of her beliefs then she needs to resign. As she refuses to do that, and refuses to do her job as a representative of the US government, thus depriving homosexual individuals of the Constitutionally protected right of equality before the law, she is thus being held in contempt of court. It has nothing to do with her religion and everything to do with her failing to obey the legal orders of a court and her failure to obey the law of the land.

[Mondoncon]

Marriage is not a Christian-exclusive institution. Romans were getting married long before the pathetic figure that is Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross.

If you aren't Christian, and you wish to get married through Davis, you obviously had to get some form of Christian values connected to you at that point

No you don't, that's the point. Kim Davis is not a church official. The Church is irrelevant here. Christianity is irrelevant here. Christianity is between her and god. It does not come between her and her duties, and if it does, it's entirely on her to reconcile those issues by resigning from her position.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

[Grenartia]

Christianity neither invented nor owns marriage.

It defines Davis' definition of it

Davis is not the government. Davis doesn't get to define the government's definition of marriage.

[Geilinor]

Which makes her incapable of serving in her position, which means she must resign or face the legal consequences. She has options which preserve her rights, and she refused to take them.

Yes, so you fire her. Not throw her in jail with no bail. If anyone should be thrown in jail, it should be Hillary Clinton or Obama. But no they're above the law because they're in office and they're Liberal.

Elected officials can't be fired and the legislature isn't in session.

[Highfort]

Yes, so you fire her. Not throw her in jail with no bail.

You cannot fire an elected official in her county. Elected officials must resign or do their jobs; she chose neither so now she is in jail for contempt of court.

[Dyakovo]

He's demonstrated far greater uunderstanding of the constitution than you have.
Not only was she violating the fourteenth amendment, she was alsoviolating the first.
As a court clerk, she's an agent of the government. Her choosing to use her government position to enforce her religious valuesupon others violates the separation of church and state proscribed in the first amendment.

The separation of church and state is not established by the First Amendment.

Yes, it is.

[Vaikneland]

If you aren't Christian, and you wish to get married through Davis, you obviously had to get some form of Christian values connected to you at that point

Nope. Davis is supposed to issue licenses for any marriage, and if she wasn't then she would be violating the Establishment Clause by having the government she was representing favor certain religions when it came to marriage. If a Muslim, Jewish, atheist, Buddhist, or gay couple wants to get a government marriage license, it is her job to provide one.

Look, I'm an atheist believe it or not. If I wanted to get married through her, and Shes Christian, is end up being influenced by her beliefs

[Grenartia]

Marriage is not a Christian-exclusive institution. Romans were getting married long before the pathetic figure that is Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross.

If you aren't Christian, and you wish to get married through Davis, you obviously had to get some form of Christian values connected to you at that point

Says who?

[Mondoncon]

Which makes her incapable of serving in her position, which means she must resign or face the legal consequences. She has options which preserve her rights, and she refused to take them.

Yes, so you fire her. Not throw her in jail with no bail. If anyone should be thrown in jail, it should be Hillary Clinton or Obama. But no they're above the law because they're in office and they're Liberal.

You can't fire an elected official without an impeachment, which would require a special session, which the governor needs incredibly good reason to call. The Kentucky senate only meets 90 days of the year, after all.. The easier option is to force her to resign or preform her job through court order, because it doesn't violate anyone's rights, just her misconception of what her rights entails.