Kentucky County Clerk Denies Gay Marriage Licenses

[Stellonia]

You can throw someone in jail for disobeying the law.

Also, it's not your country.

I was actually born here, I didn't hop the border like most of americans

According to the United Nations, 14.3% of American residents are foreigners.

[Mondoncon]

She wasn't thrown in jail because of her religion. She was thrown in jail because she refused to do her job as an elected official and tried to deny rights granted to people, violating the 14th amendment.

Excuse me, but what exactly made her go against her job? Religion. She was following her religion. If she wasn't following her religion, would she have denied it? No

So it's her fault for failing to preform her duties and doing the ethical thing, which is resign.

Separation of church and state goes both ways. If your religion exempts you from duty, you cannot serve. It's the exact reason we make room for Conscientious objectors.

[Neutraligon]

She wasn't thrown in jail because of her religion. She was thrown in jail because she refused to do her job as an elected official and tried to deny rights granted to people, violating the 14th amendment.

Excuse me, but what exactly made her go against her job? Religion. She was following her religion. If she wasn't following her religion, would she have denied it? No

She is a government official, her freedom to practice her religion is limited when she is on the job by the first amendment (that is government cannot recognize a religion over another or over non-religion) and the 14th amendment (equal protection before the law). If she fails to obey a legal court order, the court is well within it rights to hold her in contempt until she obeys said court order or until she is no longer in a position where the order matters.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I was born here and I think this sorry excuse for a clerk ought to rot in jail until she figures out that doing her job is not religious oppression. If anything her refusal to marry these gay couples is an example of her forcing her religion on others.

Perhaps you should read the Bill of Rights before you go flapping your gums.

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

Another American who has done his duty of not reading the constitution.

Freedom to Worship guarantee. Under that clause, the government isn’t allowed to pass any law, or take any action, “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion, however you forgot to factor in the “Establishment Clause” prohibits the government from aiding or assisting any religion, or religious viewpoint, over any others.

[Vaikneland]

Excuse me, but what exactly made her go against her job? Religion. She was following her religion. If she wasn't following her religion, would she have denied it? No

If it is a violation, where do Ms. Davis’s rights to freedom of worship begin and end?

They begin with allowing her to freely let her express her religion, and end where she starts to kill people. That hasn't happened so....

[Highfort]

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

What the everlasting fuck is the idiotic logic behind what I just read?

1. She does not have to accept gay people; she just has to issue them marriage licenses. For all she likes, she can personally think their marriage is invalid but the government considers it valid so she must issue the license.
2. If something goes against your religion you are very welcome not to accept that thing. For instance, part of doing her job might go against her religion in which case she is most welcome to resign and find a new one. She is not welcome to continue holding her position whilst not doing her job, however.

[Dyakovo]

She wasn't thrown in jail because of her religion. She was thrown in jail because she refused to do her job as an elected official and tried to deny rights granted to people, violating the 14th amendment.

Excuse me, but what exactly made her go against her job?

Bigotry.

[San Llera]

I was born here and I think this sorry excuse for a clerk ought to rot in jail until she figures out that doing her job is not religious oppression. If anything her refusal to marry these gay couples is an example of her forcing her religion on others.

Perhaps you should read the Bill of Rights before you go flapping your gums.

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

No, they aren't. She was free to resign if she wanted to.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

If it is a violation, where do Ms. Davis’s rights to freedom of worship begin and end?

They begin with allowing her to freely let her express her religion, and end where she starts to kill people. That hasn't happened so....

Ah, so you don't know of the Establishment clause.

[Cannot think of a name]

Maybe you should catch up with the rest of the class before raising your hand.

Maybe you should read your nations constitution as well before you raise your hand.

You mean like this part?

[Farnhamia]

Maybe you should catch up with the rest of the class before raising your hand.

Maybe you should read your nations constitution as well before you raise your hand.

How is being the county clerk part of her religion? That's what the Bill of Rights protects, your right to worship as you please. Name me a religion that includes the issuance of secular marriage licenses as part of its worship ceremonies.

[Vaikneland]

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

Another American who has done his duty of not reading the constitution.

Freedom to Worship guarantee. Under that clause, the government isn’t allowed to pass any law, or take any action, “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion, however you forgot to factor in the “Establishment Clause” prohibits the government from aiding or assisting any religion, or religious viewpoint, over any others.

Homosexuality isn't a religion. Also, you just said the government can't take any action against religious beliefs right, reread te first amendment please.

[Neu California]

She's in jail because she broke a court order that basically read "DO YOUR JOB". She didn't do her job, so she was placed in jail, exactly as the court order said. If you don't like that, you can get the hell out of MY country. It has laws.

The laws changed recently. She was there prior to the laws... At least fire her. You can't claim it's "your country" until you abide to the bill of rights, communist.

1. No matter when the law came into force, she still has to follow it from that time.
2. She can't be fired, because she's an elected official.
3. Read the 14th amendment, specifically this part:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

She's denying gays the equal protection of the laws.

4. The mods frown on calling people names like communist. I would recommend against doing that for that reason

She wasn't thrown in jail because of her religion. She was thrown in jail because she refused to do her job as an elected official and tried to deny rights granted to people, violating the 14th amendment.

Excuse me, but what exactly made her go against her job? Religion. She was following her religion. If she wasn't following her religion, would she have denied it? No

And that makes okay for her to violate the law, why?

[Apollinis]

If it is a violation, where do Ms. Davis’s rights to freedom of worship begin and end?

They begin with allowing her to freely let her express her religion, and end where she starts to kill people. That hasn't happened so....

Your understanding of the rights to which Ms. Davis is entitled are hilariously flawed and not in line with, you know, the actual law.

It's almost as if you're not an entirely serious poster posting in good faith, but I'd hate to imply that.

[Neutraligon]

I was born here and I think this sorry excuse for a clerk ought to rot in jail until she figures out that doing her job is not religious oppression. If anything her refusal to marry these gay couples is an example of her forcing her religion on others.

Perhaps you should read the Bill of Rights before you go flapping your gums.

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

Nope, she is being ordered to obey the law of the land, namely the constitution, and to perform her duty as an elected government official. Government officials always have their rights limited when they are on the job. It is part of what being a government employee means. While she is not on the job she can do whatever the hell she wants (well no she cannot murder even if her religion says it is OK), but while she is one the job she represents the government and thus her religious actions are limited.

[Vaikneland]

Maybe you should read your nations constitution as well before you raise your hand.

How is being the county clerk part of her religion? That's what the Bill of Rights protects, your right to worship as you please. Name me a religion that includes the issuance of secular marriage licenses as part of its worship ceremonies.

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Another American who has done his duty of not reading the constitution.

Freedom to Worship guarantee. Under that clause, the government isn’t allowed to pass any law, or take any action, “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion, however you forgot to factor in the “Establishment Clause” prohibits the government from aiding or assisting any religion, or religious viewpoint, over any others.

Homosexuality isn't a religion. Also, you just said the government can't take any action against religious beliefs right, reread te first amendment please.

I never said homosexuality was a religion, and you're completely misconstruing the argument purposely. Reread the Establishment clause.

[Geilinor]

How is being the county clerk part of her religion? That's what the Bill of Rights protects, your right to worship as you please. Name me a religion that includes the issuance of secular marriage licenses as part of its worship ceremonies.

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

Marriage = law

[Mondoncon]

How is being the county clerk part of her religion? That's what the Bill of Rights protects, your right to worship as you please. Name me a religion that includes the issuance of secular marriage licenses as part of its worship ceremonies.

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

Marriage has changed in definition enough times that your argument is, shall we say... A thousand years dead.

[Vaikneland]

Forcing her religion on others?! Are you rediculous? They're forcing people to accept gay people against their will, even if it goes against their religion! now THATS what I call forcing.

Nope, she is being ordered to obey the law of the land, namely the constitution, and to perform her duty as an elected government official. Government officials always have their rights limited when they are on the job. It is part of what being a government employee means. While she is not on the job she can do whatever the hell she wants (well no she cannot murder even if her religion says it is OK), but while she is one the job she represents the government and thus her religious actions are limited.

Where does the constitution say that it doesn't apply in the workforce?

[Highfort]

How is being the county clerk part of her religion? That's what the Bill of Rights protects, your right to worship as you please. Name me a religion that includes the issuance of secular marriage licenses as part of its worship ceremonies.

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

Nope. Marriage is a legal contract; religious marriage ceremonies do not constitute the Supreme Court's definition of marriage, since it is only concerned with the legal definition.

Learn2government

[Neutraligon]

Another American who has done his duty of not reading the constitution.

Freedom to Worship guarantee. Under that clause, the government isn’t allowed to pass any law, or take any action, “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion, however you forgot to factor in the “Establishment Clause” prohibits the government from aiding or assisting any religion, or religious viewpoint, over any others.

Homosexuality isn't a religion. Also, you just said the government can't take any action against religious beliefs right, reread te first amendment please.

Sure they can, just look at the fact that polygamy is illegal and the fact that many Mormons support polygamy. The rights in the constitution do have their limits. In this case her rights are limited while she is in office representing the government or the US.

[Geilinor]

Nope, she is being ordered to obey the law of the land, namely the constitution, and to perform her duty as an elected government official. Government officials always have their rights limited when they are on the job. It is part of what being a government employee means. While she is not on the job she can do whatever the hell she wants (well no she cannot murder even if her religion says it is OK), but while she is one the job she represents the government and thus her religious actions are limited.

Where does the constitution say that it doesn't apply in the workforce?

The Constitution always mentions the government.

[Vaikneland]

marriage= religion. You're an idiot.

Marriage has changed in definition enough times that your argument is, shall we say... A thousand years dead.

Define marriage then. Where do you go for marriages, and who marries you? A church. And a priest. What do those things involve, sir? RELIGION

[Mondoncon]

Nope, she is being ordered to obey the law of the land, namely the constitution, and to perform her duty as an elected government official. Government officials always have their rights limited when they are on the job. It is part of what being a government employee means. While she is not on the job she can do whatever the hell she wants (well no she cannot murder even if her religion says it is OK), but while she is one the job she represents the government and thus her religious actions are limited.

Where does the constitution say that it doesn't apply in the workforce?

Say what doesn't apply to the workforce? Religious freedom? It does. But your religious freedom ends when you impose your religion on others, as Kim Davis attempted to do.