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Well, you'd probably have to pick a different boogeyman. In 17th century Salem, it was witchcraft. In the 50s, it was communism. Not quite sure what the boogeyman would be today. There's a lot of possibilities, but none seem like they'd cause that reaction, short of child molester, but that's one hell of a thing to accuse somebody of, no matter how much of a shithead they are.

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Alyakia wrote:quit

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What, and give up that 80k a year salary? Pffft.
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Dyakovo wrote:Hunh... Who knew Kim Davis was a state?

People like her will be elected...

Possibly. But as has been demonstrated, it doesn't work, ergo you're wrong.
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Postby Val Halla » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:46 am

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Val Halla wrote:People like her will be elected...

Possibly. But as has been demonstrated, it doesn't work, ergo you're wrong.

In her case. Not all judges will make the same judgement.
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Dyakovo wrote:Possibly. But as has been demonstrated, it doesn't work, ergo you're wrong.

In her case. Not all judges will make the same judgement.

Any judge that makes a different one will be overturned.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:21 am

Val Halla wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hunh... Who knew Kim Davis was a state?

People like her will be elected...


Not always. There are religious people who think gays are a sin but also believe in a work ethic.
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Postby Yedmnrutika Gavr » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:26 am

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Yedmnrutika Gavr wrote::lol: and so the plot thickens.. Warning! Cringworthy

ps sry if someone already posted this

Well, she's right about one thing: she's no hero.


no doubt. i was thinking of a noun, too, but it wasnt hero :lol:

Ethel mermania wrote:
Yedmnrutika Gavr wrote::lol: and so the plot thickens.. Warning! Cringworthy

ps sry if someone already posted this

It's a good post thanks.

The licenses n eed to be issued with her name on them, since that is one of the duties of a county clerk. If they are not, I hope she gets sent back to jail for contempt.


thank you ethel mermania :) i think she should resign, even elected officials have that option

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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:41 pm

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It was a court ruling based on a constitutional amendment that was adopted in the 19th century. So technically, gay marriage was legalized in the 19th century and Davis has been doing her job wrong all along. Technically, a lot of people have been doing their jobs wrong for a long time. It warms my rusty old heart to know that they have finally started enforcing the law after all these years, after everything that my generation sacrificed and all the work that we put in to get the 14th amendment added to the constitution.

But if you work for the state and you disagree with a new law that is passed after you take office, you have two options: abide by the new law or resign.


Except, arguably, this is a right that's protected by the 9th Amendment, meaning its been legal since the 1790s, just improperly enforced until 2015. By that logic.


The 14th is much clearer about it. I think using the 9th to justify the ruling would be a bit of a stretch.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Val Halla wrote:People like her will be elected...


Not always. There are religious people who think gays are a sin but also believe in a work ethic.

Including, apparently, the Westboro Baptist Church.

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Postby Highfort » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:46 pm

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Not always. There are religious people who think gays are a sin but also believe in a work ethic.

Including, apparently, the Westboro Baptist Church.


You gotta hand it to them: for all the hate, they do work hard to show up and ruin people's day. They must think Kim Davis is a slacker by comparison.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:49 pm

Yedmnrutika Gavr wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Well, she's right about one thing: she's no hero.


no doubt. i was thinking of a noun, too, but it wasnt hero :lol:

Ethel mermania wrote:It's a good post thanks.

The licenses n eed to be issued with her name on them, since that is one of the duties of a county clerk. If they are not, I hope she gets sent back to jail for contempt.


thank you ethel mermania :) i think she should resign, even elected officials have that option

I think the system worked here.

She should do the job the court ordered her to do, or she should sit in jail toll it's done properly.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 pm

Highfort wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Including, apparently, the Westboro Baptist Church.


You gotta hand it to them: for all the hate, they do work hard to show up and ruin people's day. They must think Kim Davis is a slacker by comparison.

Her previous fornocation Is what got her into this mess today.
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Postby Nation-State of Candor » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:23 pm

She could resign, but I suppose that then she wouldn't get paid speeches to old rock music (which she's trying to taint, apparently...) trying to act badass, spewing hate towards other people based on her (admittedly subjective) religion. (I say "admittedly subjective" because religion is an opinion, a choice.) Yes, she has a right to be a fundie, but those in federal jobs are not allowed to let their religion take priority due to the separation between church and state.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:27 pm

Nation-State of Candor wrote:She could resign, but I suppose that then she wouldn't get paid speeches to old rock music (which she's trying to taint, apparently...) trying to act badass, spewing hate towards other people based on her (admittedly subjective) religion. (I say "admittedly subjective" because religion is an opinion, a choice.) Yes, she has a right to be a fundie, but those in federal jobs are not allowed to let their religion take priority due to the separation between church and state.

I don't disagree with what you say, but Ms Davis is not a federal employee, she's the elected county clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky.
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Postby Deuxtete » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:32 pm

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Nation-State of Candor wrote:She could resign, but I suppose that then she wouldn't get paid speeches to old rock music (which she's trying to taint, apparently...) trying to act badass, spewing hate towards other people based on her (admittedly subjective) religion. (I say "admittedly subjective" because religion is an opinion, a choice.) Yes, she has a right to be a fundie, but those in federal jobs are not allowed to let their religion take priority due to the separation between church and state.

I don't disagree with what you say, but Ms Davis is not a federal employee, she's the elected county clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky.

I'm sorry this is totally unrelated but I'll forget if I don't post it now.

August132013 is 13 characters long.

And she should make her statement by resigning her position.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:37 pm

Deuxtete wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I don't disagree with what you say, but Ms Davis is not a federal employee, she's the elected county clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky.

I'm sorry this is totally unrelated but I'll forget if I don't post it now.

August132013 is 13 characters long.

And she should make her statement by resigning her position.

She makes her statement much better by using her position to deny the law to others.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Deuxtete wrote:I'm sorry this is totally unrelated but I'll forget if I don't post it now.

August132013 is 13 characters long.

And she should make her statement by resigning her position.

She makes her statement much better by using her position to deny the law to others.

As an evangelical Christian I personally disagree.
I feel she muddies the water by wanting to continue working for the state while not executing her duties.
If she believes she has been called to not her duties, then she has been called to not take Caesar's gold as well.

I love homosexuals, I won't stand before God for them and they not for me, but I have serious doubts God would be pleased if I isolated them, then used my worldly authority to inflict suffering on them because I decided it was my place to judge their sin to be greater than mine.

She should show the strength of her conviction, by choosing which master she serves.

Now I'm crying.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Deuxtete wrote:I'm sorry this is totally unrelated but I'll forget if I don't post it now.

August132013 is 13 characters long.

And she should make her statement by resigning her position.

She makes her statement much better by using her position to deny the law to others.

Denying the law to others equals breaking the law. Breaking the law must be punished.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:50 pm

Deuxtete wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:She makes her statement much better by using her position to deny the law to others.

As an evangelical Christian I personally disagree.
I feel she muddies the water by wanting to continue working for the state while not executing her duties.
If she believes she has been called to not her duties, then she has been called to not take Caesar's gold as well.

I love homosexuals, I won't stand before God for them and they not for me, but I have serious doubts God would be pleased if I isolated them, then used my worldly authority to inflict suffering on them because I decided it was my place to judge their sin to be greater than mine.

She should show the strength of her conviction, by choosing which master she serves.

Now I'm crying.

She did choose which master she serves, and in her mind she believes she is serving him well.
The master she believes in tells her the gay is bad. She believes she serves that master by sticking to her principals and going to jail for her beliefs.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:54 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:She makes her statement much better by using her position to deny the law to others.

Denying the law to others equals breaking the law. Breaking the law must be punished.


For which the federal judge put her in jail for contempt of court, till those licences were being issued by the clerks office. It's all good.
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Postby Deuxtete » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:59 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Deuxtete wrote:As an evangelical Christian I personally disagree.
I feel she muddies the water by wanting to continue working for the state while not executing her duties.
If she believes she has been called to not her duties, then she has been called to not take Caesar's gold as well.

I love homosexuals, I won't stand before God for them and they not for me, but I have serious doubts God would be pleased if I isolated them, then used my worldly authority to inflict suffering on them because I decided it was my place to judge their sin to be greater than mine.

She should show the strength of her conviction, by choosing which master she serves.

Now I'm crying.

She did choose which master she serves, and in her mind she believes she is serving him well.
The master she believes in tells her the gay is bad. She believes she serves that master by sticking to her principals and going to jail for her beliefs.

Yes, she has declared the state is sinfully allowing same sex marriage and that she is willing to accept money from that sinful apparatus, while glorifying herself with public adulation by creating a false narrative of persecution.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:01 pm

Deuxtete wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:She did choose which master she serves, and in her mind she believes she is serving him well.
The master she believes in tells her the gay is bad. She believes she serves that master by sticking to her principals and going to jail for her beliefs.

Yes, she has declared the state is sinfully allowing same sex marriage and that she is willing to accept money from that sinful apparatus, while glorifying herself with public adulation by creating a false narrative of persecution.

I don't think she sees it that way, but I agree with you
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Postby Stellonia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:53 pm

USS Monitor wrote:It was a court ruling based on a constitutional amendment that was adopted in the 19th century. So technically, gay marriage was legalized in the 19th century and Davis has been doing her job wrong all along. Technically, a lot of people have been doing their jobs wrong for a long time. It warms my rusty old heart to know that they have finally started enforcing the law after all these years, after everything that my generation sacrificed and all the work that we put in to get the 14th amendment added to the constitution.

I find it strange that you would think that your compatriots intended for people of the same sex to marry all along when they ratified the Fourteenth Amendment.

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