Kentucky County Clerk Denies Gay Marriage Licenses

[Deuxtete]

LLikely the same number bitching about how SCOTUS isn't supposed to make law...much like clerks.

SCOTUS didn't make a new law. Rather it declared all SSM ban laws unconstitutional due to the 14th Amendment.

No fucking shit.

[Rusozak]

LLikely the same number bitching about how SCOTUS isn't supposed to make law...much like clerks.

SCOTUS didn't make a new law. Rather it declared all SSM ban laws unconstitutional due to the 14th Amendment.

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

[Stellonia]

SCOTUS didn't make a new law. Rather it declared all SSM ban laws unconstitutional due to the 14th Amendment.

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

[The Flutterlands]

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

That's what I said. SSM ban laws = laws against Same-Sex marriage.

[Stellonia]

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

That's what I said. SSM ban laws = laws against Same-Sex marriage.

Sorry; I misread your statement.

[Dyakovo]

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

For good reason...

[Atomic Utopia]

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

So, can you explain WHY being against same sex marriage does not make you a bigot?

[Deuxtete]

For the slow kids on the play ground...
Hard line rightwingers declare the SCOTUS SSM decision to be them making law which violates the constitution, these same hardliners support an elected official not obeying the constitution with regards to church and state...

Fuck.

[Stellonia]

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

So, can you explain WHY being against same sex marriage does not make you a bigot?

If you claim that I am a bigot, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.

[Gauthier]

So, can you explain WHY being against same sex marriage does not make you a bigot?

If you claim that I am a bigot, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.

As if there is a legitimate non-bigoted reason to oppose same sex marriage.

[Galloism]

If you claim that I am a bigot, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.

As if there is a legitimate non-bigoted reason to oppose same sex marriage.

As I understand it, there are hurricane prevention reasons to oppose gay marriage.

I heard it on TV once.

[Deuxtete]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot
Your intolerance is demonstrated by your opposition to equitable treatment of homosexuals under the law, namely the right of legal marriage. You're a bigot, defined, demonstrated, and by your own admission.
Anything else you need explained?

So, can you explain WHY being against same sex marriage does not make you a bigot?

If you claim that I am a bigot, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.

[Atomic Utopia]

So, can you explain WHY being against same sex marriage does not make you a bigot?

If you claim that I am a bigot, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.

Would you say that people stating that hetrosexual marrage is wrong is bigoted? Would me opposing the marriage of people to the opposite gender be bigoted?

[AiliailiA]

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

Incorrect?

SCOTUS didn't make a new law. Rather it declared all SSM ban laws unconstitutional due to the 14th Amendment.

[AiliailiA]

As if there is a legitimate non-bigoted reason to oppose same sex marriage.

As I understand it, there are hurricane prevention reasons to oppose gay marriage.

I heard it on TV once.

But hurricanes are good for glaziers and the roofing industry. Are you bigoted against roofers!?

[Gauthier]

As if there is a legitimate non-bigoted reason to oppose same sex marriage.

As I understand it, there are hurricane prevention reasons to oppose gay marriage.

I heard it on TV once.

Oh yes, those selfish homos not caring about saving the world from natural disasters. *nod*

[Noraika]

New Poll: Kim Davis May Have Seriously Damaged the Cause of Anti-Gay “Religious Liberty”

On Tuesday, an ABC News/Washington Post poll revealed the most significant post-Davis data point yet—and the results don’t look good for Davis and her admirers. An overwhelming 74 percent of respondents believed that when a conflict arises between religious beliefs and equal treatment under the law, equality should win out. Moreover, 63 percent of respondents said that Davis should be required to issue marriage licenses despite her sincerely held religious beliefs. (That tracks an earlier Rasmussen poll, which found that 66 percent of Americans think Davis should follow the law and issue licenses.

Notably, a majority of only two groups thought Davis should be exempted from issuing licenses: evangelical white Protestants and self-identified “strong conservatives.” That view was also more common among Republicans, less well-educated people, and lower-income Americans. Democrats, well-educated people, and higher-income Americans widely believed Davis should not defy a federal court order and refuse to do her job.

I suppose we should thank Kim Davis for turning the country against people like her.

[Grenartia]

If I was in Kentucky I'd go to her office and just kiss a guy. I'd ask first of course

I'd consider doing that, and I'm not gay.

You're a girl?

[Grenartia]

You expect those bigots to understand what that means?

I oppose same-sex marriage; 1. I'd assume you feel that I'm a bigot. I understand what the statement means; it's also incorrect: 2. SCOTUS declared all laws against same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional.

1. Considering that there's no rational or reasonable objections that can't be shot down by facts and logic, that only leaves the unreasonable and irrational objections. Which are hard to figure as not being bigoted. Some would say impossible not to figure as being bigoted.

2. As it has every obligation to do, seeing as its very job is to determine what is and is not constitutional.

[Grenartia]

New Poll: Kim Davis May Have Seriously Damaged the Cause of Anti-Gay “Religious Liberty”

On Tuesday, an ABC News/Washington Post poll revealed the most significant post-Davis data point yet—and the results don’t look good for Davis and her admirers. An overwhelming 74 percent of respondents believed that when a conflict arises between religious beliefs and equal treatment under the law, equality should win out. Moreover, 63 percent of respondents said that Davis should be required to issue marriage licenses despite her sincerely held religious beliefs. (That tracks an earlier Rasmussen poll, which found that 66 percent of Americans think Davis should follow the law and issue licenses.

Notably, a majority of only two groups thought Davis should be exempted from issuing licenses: evangelical white Protestants and self-identified “strong conservatives.” That view was also more common among Republicans, less well-educated people, and lower-income Americans. Democrats, well-educated people, and higher-income Americans widely believed Davis should not defy a federal court order and refuse to do her job.

I suppose we should thank Kim Davis for turning the country against people like her.

In a decade or two (or God forbid, even less), herself, one or more of her relatives, or both, will claim this whole shitfest was manufactured to purposely achieve that. Mark my words.

[Tekania]

Also, I read about all these people getting behind the whole "SCOTUS doesn't make law" thing ...last I checked neither do county clerks, they don't even get to interpret it.

Just saying.

When people make that argument I agree with them, because they don't make law.... they just line out the parts of laws that are invalidated by the interpretative principals of higher law.

As such, SCOTUS did not make any new Gay marriage laws, they just lined out all existing laws that limited legal marriage to only between a man and a woman.

So effectively, to tell those making such argument, SCOTUS did this to the Kentucky marriage law:

As used and recognized in the law of the Commonwealth, "marriage" refers only to the civil status, condition, or relation of one (1) man and one (1) woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incumbent upon thosewhose association is founded on the distinction of sex.

Nothing new was created, only invalid parts were omitted.

[Geilinor]

Huckabee said something really stupid in his defense of Davis. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/11/mike_huckabee_dred_scott_black_people_aren_t_fully_human_under_law_he_erroneously.html

“Michael, the Dred Scott decision of 1857 still remains to this day the law of the land, which says that black people aren’t fully human,” Huckabee told radio show host Michael Medved. “Does anybody still follow the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision?”

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Huckabee said something really stupid in his defense of Davis. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/11/mike_huckabee_dred_scott_black_people_aren_t_fully_human_under_law_he_erroneously.html

“Michael, the Dred Scott decision of 1857 still remains to this day the law of the land, which says that black people aren’t fully human,” Huckabee told radio show host Michael Medved. “Does anybody still follow the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision?”

I'm not surprised.

[Sun Wukong]

Huckabee said something really stupid in his defense of Davis. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/11/mike_huckabee_dred_scott_black_people_aren_t_fully_human_under_law_he_erroneously.html

“Michael, the Dred Scott decision of 1857 still remains to this day the law of the land, which says that black people aren’t fully human,” Huckabee told radio show host Michael Medved. “Does anybody still follow the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision?”

I'm shocked.


...well, not that shocked.

[USS Monitor]

If I was in Kentucky I'd go to her office and just kiss a guy. I'd ask first of course

I'd consider doing that, and I'm not gay.

Both of you should go to her office and make out.