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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:09 pm

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Messy breakups can happen to unmarried couples too. The mess that results from the end of a relationship isn't a good reason to ban marriages from happening or that we should do away with it altogether. (not saying you're advocating that)

ban marriage? where did that come from? that makes about as much sense as banning drugs(though it would be pretty funny to imagine underground marriage rackets). and trust me, i've seen shitty breakups all over the place. either everyone around me in an asshole or I've missed some enlightening lesson somewhere aside from "don't get married"


Oh, I've seen the idea crop up on NSG several times.

Although backgrounds related to family experiences (particularly messy divorces among parents) can color our view of marriage or of other situations, we are individuals and there's no reason to think that we must follow the same pattern our parents, grandparents or other relatives did. You make your own situation work. And if it doesn't, at least you can rest in the knowledge that you gave it your best.

Anecdote and dismiss if you want: I am the product of divorced parents. For years I was terrified of the idea of marriage. I lived in with two partners before and I knew I didn't see them as marriage material. I was ok with that.

Then I met my husband to be and, after almost 6 years, I can say that I do not have to follow on my parents' footsteps on this. I make my own relationship and work at it. Marriage has, so far, turned out to be a beautiful experience for me.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:10 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Haktiva wrote:even the cheese? :rofl:

nah, it just makes no sense why the inferior party is entitled to half the assets when they didn't contribute an equal measure, especially in cases of infidelity.


Income is not the only way one can contribute to a marriage. For instance the stay at home parent might not be making money but is equally contributing.

doesn't seem to be as labor intensive for the vast majority of people
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:13 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Haktiva wrote:ban marriage? where did that come from? that makes about as much sense as banning drugs(though it would be pretty funny to imagine underground marriage rackets). and trust me, i've seen shitty breakups all over the place. either everyone around me in an asshole or I've missed some enlightening lesson somewhere aside from "don't get married"


Oh, I've seen the idea crop up on NSG several times.

Although backgrounds related to family experiences (particularly messy divorces among parents) can color our view of marriage or of other situations, we are individuals and there's no reason to think that we must follow the same pattern our parents, grandparents or other relatives did. You make your own situation work. And if it doesn't, at least you can rest in the knowledge that you gave it your best.

Anecdote and dismiss if you want: I am the product of divorced parents. For years I was terrified of the idea of marriage. I lived in with two partners before and I knew I didn't see them as marriage material. I was ok with that.

Then I met my husband to be and, after almost 6 years, I can say that I do not have to follow on my parents' footsteps on this. I make my own relationship and work at it. Marriage has, so far, turned out to be a beautiful experience for me.

in all honesty I don't think I'd make a good partner, but I've abandoned any notion of a good partner out there. i consider it delusional. would you pick up a live grenade and hope it doesn't go off?

marriage has always been a shitty deal for the men in my family. I don't think the women are to well off either, but they typically have the guys by the balls. So do I become some macho man asshole or do I just keep to myself and stew in my own insanity? the latter sounds easier.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:15 pm

Haktiva wrote:
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Oh, I've seen the idea crop up on NSG several times.

Although backgrounds related to family experiences (particularly messy divorces among parents) can color our view of marriage or of other situations, we are individuals and there's no reason to think that we must follow the same pattern our parents, grandparents or other relatives did. You make your own situation work. And if it doesn't, at least you can rest in the knowledge that you gave it your best.

Anecdote and dismiss if you want: I am the product of divorced parents. For years I was terrified of the idea of marriage. I lived in with two partners before and I knew I didn't see them as marriage material. I was ok with that.

Then I met my husband to be and, after almost 6 years, I can say that I do not have to follow on my parents' footsteps on this. I make my own relationship and work at it. Marriage has, so far, turned out to be a beautiful experience for me.

in all honesty I don't think I'd make a good partner, but I've abandoned any notion of a good partner out there. i consider it delusional. would you pick up a live grenade and hope it doesn't go off?

marriage has always been a shitty deal for the men in my family. I don't think the women are to well off either, but they typically have the guys by the balls. So do I become some macho man asshole or do I just keep to myself and stew in my own insanity? the latter sounds easier.


Doesn't mean your story will be the same. However, if you do not feel comfortable risking it, then don't. Marriage doesn't make a man, or a woman.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Haktiva wrote:in all honesty I don't think I'd make a good partner, but I've abandoned any notion of a good partner out there. i consider it delusional. would you pick up a live grenade and hope it doesn't go off?

marriage has always been a shitty deal for the men in my family. I don't think the women are to well off either, but they typically have the guys by the balls. So do I become some macho man asshole or do I just keep to myself and stew in my own insanity? the latter sounds easier.


Doesn't mean your story will be the same. However, if you do not feel comfortable risking it, then don't. Marriage doesn't make a man, or a woman.

it certainly destroys the guys. at any rate, it's certainly entertaining to debate this stuff, or offer some end of the day, burnt out opinions.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:21 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Doesn't mean your story will be the same. However, if you do not feel comfortable risking it, then don't. Marriage doesn't make a man, or a woman.

it certainly destroys the guys. at any rate, it's certainly entertaining to debate this stuff, or offer some end of the day, burnt out opinions.


The shock waves affect everyone involved, that much is very clear and true. Even when the divorce is amicable.

In my personal opinion alone, marriage hasn't disappointed me. Not saying it won't, I don't know what the future holds. But I am glad I took the risk. I feel happy about my choice. That being said, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:23 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Haktiva wrote:it certainly destroys the guys. at any rate, it's certainly entertaining to debate this stuff, or offer some end of the day, burnt out opinions.


The shock waves affect everyone involved, that much is very clear and true. Even when the divorce is amicable.

In my personal opinion alone, marriage hasn't disappointed me. Not saying it won't, I don't know what the future holds. But I am glad I took the risk. I feel happy about my choice. That being said, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

I wish you the best I suppose.
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Postby Zaereas » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:06 pm

Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:20 pm

Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

...are you saying Kim Davis has a mental disorder? I mean, she's a bigoted fuck, sure, but mentally diseased? That's stretching it.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:20 pm

Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:21 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

...are you saying Kim Davis has a mental disorder? I mean, she's a bigoted fuck, sure, but mentally diseased? That's stretching it.


She lives in Kentucky, that does imply a certain level of batshit :p
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...are you saying Kim Davis has a mental disorder? I mean, she's a bigoted fuck, sure, but mentally diseased? That's stretching it.


She lives in Kentucky, that does imply a certain level of batshit :p

Again, don't lump every resident of Kentucky in with her. That's super annoying.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:26 pm

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She lives in Kentucky, that does imply a certain level of batshit :p

Again, don't lump every resident of Kentucky in with her. That's super annoying.


I'm not, just throwing some sarcasm around.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Again, don't lump every resident of Kentucky in with her. That's super annoying.


I'm not, just throwing some sarcasm around.

Sorry. Just been getting that all day, and it's made me a little testy.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:41 pm

Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:44 pm

Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

I'm confused as to a) what a mental disorder has to do with the topic and b) how one could legalize or outlaw a mental disorder.

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Even if it was a Baptist-run hospital? Or what about a Catholic one with Pope Sidious at the top of its chain of command?

Homosexuality may be a sin I do not think letting someone holding a dying loved one's hand is unless you are a westboro baptist.

Also There is significant law allowing visitation by next of kin, and medical decisions there of, even the baptist and Catholics know what losing law suit means. I would keep escalating the situation until I got my client in the hospital or I got arrested, and then I would get a copy of the arrest report, frame it, and hang it in my office as a mark of pride.


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Postby Grenartia » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:29 am

Ameriganastan wrote:This chick is making it hard to rock my "Gettin' Lucky In Kentucky" avatar on other sites. Why couldn't she be from Missouri instead? Now we're all getting lumped in with her cause she lives here.


Now you have a taste of my pain. I graduated high school in Tennessee, the same state Stacey Campfield's from. Then again, I bashed him, too.

The more accurate condition is my being from Louisiana, and Bobby Jindal and Dumbfuck Dynasty.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:33 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Zaereas wrote:Good. A mental disorder shouldn't be "legalised"

...are you saying Kim Davis has a mental disorder? I mean, she's a bigoted fuck, sure, but mentally diseased? That's stretching it.


Well, given her persecution complex, and almost narcissistic sense of entitlement, I find it hard to agree with you.
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Postby Avalon » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:35 am

lol we've got a 52 pages long thread when the right answer and perfect solution is in the first post.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:38 am

Avalon wrote:lol we've got a 52 pages long thread when the right answer and perfect solution is in the first post.


1. Some people don't get it.
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3. Every reasonable person wants to take a shit on her attempt at self-crucifixion, and for good reason.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:32 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Haktiva wrote:supposedly marriage is a partnership between individuals regarding genetic lineage, property and inheritance, medical decisions and joint tax returns as well as tax breaks.


Without the legal contract, you can't, for example, make decisions regarding medical emergencies for your partner. His/her family can bar you from even seeing your partner at the hospital if there isn't a legal marriage contract between you two. You may not inherit in case of your partner dying. You may not enjoy tax benefits from your partnership... There are advantages to this, having a legal marriage.


It sounds like a good will and power of attorney could handle a couple of those issues, at least until people start doing their jobs and issue marriage licenses.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:15 am

People are calling her the Martin Luther King Jr. of Christianity, there were posters at her release saying the Supreme Court is like ISIS because of their recent marriage rulings. The people that have always been at the top and enjoyed the most freedom now feel they are oppressed because they can no longer oppress.

THIS is what makes me support the idea of pursuing the creation of an artificial human hive mind that uses mind control to make everyone want to get along.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:24 am

greed and death wrote:In an amusing twist the Westboro baptist church is protesting Davis blaming her for Gay marriage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kim ... d5c0769a82

I almost feel bad for Kim Davis now. Well. Maybe not "almost".


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