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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Aelex wrote:United State of America. Not America.


okay? were still American

Am I supposed to call the british United Kindomans?


In this age of political correctness, I wouldn't be surprised if we see textbooks claiming Paul Revere road through town yelling: "The Unitied Kingdioms are coming! The Unitied Kingdioms are coming!"
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Postby Toubourlouki » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:28 pm

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okay? were still American

Am I supposed to call the british United Kindomans?


In this age of political correctness, I wouldn't be surprised if we see textbooks claiming Paul Revere road through town yelling: "The Unitied Kingdioms are coming! The Unitied Kingdioms are coming!"

The "UKs" would sound more cool.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:31 pm

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In this age of political correctness, I wouldn't be surprised if we see textbooks claiming Paul Revere road through town yelling: "The Unitied Kingdioms are coming! The Unitied Kingdioms are coming!"

The "UKs" would sound more cool.


Uh, british empire.
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Postby Ashkera » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:32 pm

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North Calaveras wrote:if these other nations are so butthurt about us being called americans, why don't they change their national names to america like us? 8)

Because your name ain't "America" maybe? :eyebrow:


Look, you're a native Francophone, right? And in French it's called Les Etats Unis.

But in English, it isn't. You're trying to push your language's translation into English on everyone else.

In English, the name *is* America, and the title is "The United States of". If the government ever changed they'd only change the title and keep the "America" part.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:32 pm

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Free Market Paradise wrote:I was talking with some guy from colombia who went off on me when I said I was an American. He said something like everyone in the Americas is an American. I agreed but then said he wasn't asking what continent I came from but what country. Then I asked how many countries have America in their name. He didn't answer but went on about Americans being arrogant etc.

I thought I had a good point. People don't say they are from a continent. They say they are from a country. My country is America. Is there another country called America?

How many countries have America in their name? I know one.

Well how the hell else does he expect us to call ourselves? "United statesiens"?


A problem with using this as an alternative is that Mexico calls itself the "United States of Mexico." and there used to be a "United States of Central America." While the USCA seems to have sorted the problem, I hereby petition that all Mexicans refer to themselves as United Statesians, because only the Mexica tribe of Nahua are actually Mexicans. It's a tribe, not a country. We don't go around calling ourselves "Onondaga" from sea to shining sea, do we?

I've always hated the argument about calling people from USA "United Statesian" or "Stater". It's, quite frankly, highly flawed. It's not even like calling someone "European", because there's two distinct continents: "North America" and "South America". Thus, the demonyms would respectively be "North American" and "South American". With much of the world recognizing the term "American" as referring to those from the United States of America, and no other country that calls itself "America", as well as neither continent being called just "America", there's no real reason to hold back on using the term "American".

I've never heard someone say "Old Worlder".

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Postby Balkanas » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:33 pm

Genivaria wrote:We could always annex North and South America and that issue would vanish .

Ha! You you'd become a bunch of Canadian Provinces! Alaska would gp back to the Motherland, where it belongs! THe South would go to Mexico, and the World Police would be no one. You don't have the Power. BRICS Would be on you, so would the E.U, and you'd be violating NATO laws.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:34 pm

Toubourlouki wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
In this age of political correctness, I wouldn't be surprised if we see textbooks claiming Paul Revere road through town yelling: "The Unitied Kingdioms are coming! The Unitied Kingdioms are coming!"

The "UKs" would sound more cool.


*Flashback to the late 16th Century*

Revere: "Dem UK's be comin', mah n***ahs! Dem UK's be comin', mah n***ahs!"

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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:34 pm

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Toubourlouki wrote:The "UKs" would sound more cool.


Uh, british empire.


To quote people many times over: there are many kinds of "Briitsh". The English, Welsh, and the Scottish could be considered part of Britain, while the Irish might also be considered "British" since they're in the British Isles, and thus it's unfair to say "British" because it's not specific whether you mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the Republic of Ireland.

See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. "British" is commonly understood as the demonym for the UK, despite it not being the only state in the region.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Absolutely nothing.


Indeed. Absolutely nothing.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:37 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:There's nothing inherently wrong with claiming to be "American" in reference to being a citizen of the United States, I'd just suggest being cautious in throwing that around Latinos since they are really the only people who really could take offense to that claim. All a matter of cultural linguistics really, especially since they are taught from an early age that we're not "Americans" but "United Statsians." Literally everyone else refers to us as just simply "the Americans."

At this point... the US needs a name change to fix this problem.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:37 pm

My problem is that there is nothing else to call us apart from US citizen. Yankee is technically correct, but Dixies get pissed then. There was a time when we were going to Colombians, but then Columbia was founded. And quite frankly, United Statsian sounds dumb. Like, we've gotten pretty creative for adjectives of countries, like Ivorian or Emirati, but Statsian just doesn't sound good.
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Postby Kincoboh » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:38 pm

It's not the US's fault the founders were too lazy to think of a cool name like literally the rest of all of north and south Americans.
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Postby Toubourlouki » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:39 pm

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Toubourlouki wrote:The "UKs" would sound more cool.


Uh, british empire.


Yes but do all its inhabitants deserve to be called "british"? More like English.

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:39 pm

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Imperial Esplanade wrote:There's nothing inherently wrong with claiming to be "American" in reference to being a citizen of the United States, I'd just suggest being cautious in throwing that around Latinos since they are really the only people who really could take offense to that claim. All a matter of cultural linguistics really, especially since they are taught from an early age that we're not "Americans" but "United Statsians." Literally everyone else refers to us as just simply "the Americans."

At this point... the US needs a name change to fix this problem.


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Hardly, its' our nation and we're free to call ourselves whatever we want. It's not inherently offensive, and Latino disdain for it lies in their opposition to what they believe is "US Imperialism."
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:39 pm

Kincoboh wrote:It's not the US's fault the founders were too lazy to think of a cool name like literally the rest of all of north and south Americans.

They weren't lazy, they envisioned the US stretching over the entire continent.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:40 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
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Uh, british empire.


To quote people many times over: there are many kinds of "Briitsh". The English, Welsh, and the Scottish could be considered part of Britain, while the Irish might also be considered "British" since they're in the British Isles, and thus it's unfair to say "British" because it's not specific whether you mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the Republic of Ireland.

See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. "British" is commonly understood as the demonym for the UK, despite it not being the only state in the region.


Though, to be fair, the US internally seems in a similar position. "Yanks", "Southerners/Dixies", and "Texans" respectively replacing the English, Scots, and the Welsh. Though, each state holds its own demonym and history. Those ethnicities are more carried on 150-years-ago times and mostly represent particularly nationalistic or culturally distinct (overlapping in some regions) groupings within the US, with "Yankee" as the primary culture representative of New York's general area, and seemingly California nowadays as well.
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Postby Reatra » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:41 pm

Well if we should be called "United Statesean" then Mexico should too. As every "United States of" on earth.
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Postby Jochistan » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:41 pm

Someone probably already said this. But Its mostly a central/South American thing. Don't take it too personally.
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Postby Wurtemburg-Baden » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:42 pm

There is nothing wrong saying your a American.its like saying I'm Kathy or I'm Belgian
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:42 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
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To quote people many times over: there are many kinds of "Briitsh". The English, Welsh, and the Scottish could be considered part of Britain, while the Irish might also be considered "British" since they're in the British Isles, and thus it's unfair to say "British" because it's not specific whether you mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the Republic of Ireland.

See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. "British" is commonly understood as the demonym for the UK, despite it not being the only state in the region.


Though, to be fair, the US internally seems in a similar position. "Yanks", "Southerners", and "Texans" respectively replacing the English, Scots, and the Welsh. Though, each state holds its own demonym and history. Those ethnicities are more carried on 150-years-ago times and mostly represent particularly nationalistic or culturally distinct (overlapping in some regions) groupings within the US, with "Yankee" as the primary culture representative of New York's general area, and seemingly California nowadays as well.


Actually, California is in its' own category. Nobody really knows what to make of California and its' weirdness. At least New York is somewhat sane.
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Postby Toubourlouki » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:43 pm

Jochistan wrote:Someone probably already said this. But Its mostly a central/South American thing. Don't take it too personally.

Yeah let's blame the poor hillbillies.

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Wurtemburg-Baden wrote:There is nothing wrong saying your a American.its like saying I'm Kathy or I'm Belgian


Someone hasn't seen the third Austin Powers movie.
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Imperial Esplanade wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Though, to be fair, the US internally seems in a similar position. "Yanks", "Southerners", and "Texans" respectively replacing the English, Scots, and the Welsh. Though, each state holds its own demonym and history. Those ethnicities are more carried on 150-years-ago times and mostly represent particularly nationalistic or culturally distinct (overlapping in some regions) groupings within the US, with "Yankee" as the primary culture representative of New York's general area, and seemingly California nowadays as well.


Actually, California is in its' own category. Nobody really knows what to make of California and its' weirdness. At least New York is somewhat sane.


The only insane part of the state is that we still refuse to try and set up desalination plants in LA and the Bay Area.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:44 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Though, to be fair, the US internally seems in a similar position. "Yanks", "Southerners", and "Texans" respectively replacing the English, Scots, and the Welsh. Though, each state holds its own demonym and history. Those ethnicities are more carried on 150-years-ago times and mostly represent particularly nationalistic or culturally distinct (overlapping in some regions) groupings within the US, with "Yankee" as the primary culture representative of New York's general area, and seemingly California nowadays as well.


Actually, California is in its' own category. Nobody really knows what to make of California and its' weirdness. At least New York is somewhat sane.


Welp, that's why I said "seemingly" and "nowadays". "Yankee" represents the Northern culture, of which New York is often considered the big hearth, and it is arguably the culture which colonized and settled the Western areas, with "Dixie" and "Texan" staying respectively in their areas.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:45 pm

Reatra wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Actually, California is in its' own category. Nobody really knows what to make of California and its' weirdness. At least New York is somewhat sane.


The only insane part of the state is that we still refuse to try and set up desalination plants in LA and the Bay Area.


there's more insanity than just that, but it's one thing.
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