What's wrong with saying I'm American?

[Aelex]

for the bolded: it is foolish to think of any territoral gain as "unlawful" as there is no real international law

Bullshit.

By this logic I hope he support Putin's annexation of Crimea. Since well, there is no" real international law"...

[North Calaveras]

for the bolded: it is foolish to think of any territoral gain as "unlawful" as there is no real international law

and of course you had to go with whitesplain...

Well saying "My nation is part of a continent so anything else in the said continent is destined by God to be part of it" ain't what we could call a "valid" casus belli.
Hell, even the Franco-Prussian war or WW1 were more legitimate!

And, I'm not a S.J.W but you honestly sound so much like one of these overly nationalists and racists red-necks that I could do nothing but to stole a term from them, just so one time in all it's history it could used on a situation were it's accurate.

i am a nationalist to an extent and rascist red-neck...really? I mean my neck is red right now cause im white and live in hawaii but jesus man...

[Bezombia]

for the bolded: it is foolish to think of any territoral gain as "unlawful" as there is no real international law

and of course you had to go with whitesplain...

Well saying "My nation is part of a continent so anything else in the said continent is destined by God to be part of it" ain't what we could call a "valid" casus belli.
Hell, even the Franco-Prussian war or WW1 were more legitimate!

And, I'm not a S.J.W but you honestly sound so much like one of these overly nationalists and racists red-necks that I could do nothing but to stole a term from them, just so one time in all it's history it could used on a situation were it's accurate.

Well to be fair manifest destiny wasn't what incited the Mexican-American War.

I mean it was certainly a root cause but the actual event that caused it was something else entirely.

[Banana Nanica]

I think most latins would approve this, things just can't get worse around here.

I've made similar statements in an attempt to piss off Mexicans, that the USA should just annex Mexico, and this is pretty much the reply I get back. Maybe it's time America got really involved in helping Latin America.

Mexico should deal with its own problems. But if America is feeling like helping her neighbors, I think the liberation of Cuba is way overdue. I'm sure cubans of both countries would celebrate that forever.

Castro have killed tens of thousands cubans in the first decades of his regime, who knows how many victims have been made by now...

[Vektra]

>What is colonial era
>What is French and Indian War
>what is American Revolution
>what is Manifest Destiny
>What is Civil War
>What is slavery debate
>what is World War I
>What is Edgar Allen Poe
>What is the creation of the cinema industry
>What is roaring 20s

But go ahead and keeping laughing at someone else's cultural like an asshole, even though your ignorance has been sufficiently demonstrated.

>European slaughtering natives then creating colony before sending their scums and religious extremists to settle here so they can finish the job?
>A war which was fought mostly on sea and thus has little to do with America but rather with the immemorial conflicts between french and british?
>The French doing the fight for you so you can free yourselves from an oppressive overlord? Quite funny how WE don't brag too much about it and yet YOU are still jeezing your pants because you did the same for us in WW2.
>The worst exemple and representation of Colonialism along the "White man's burden", both of them leading to mass murders of poor savages so greedy capitalists could stole their lands.
>The proof that the country of "freedom" had always intended that freedom was only a white man thing.
>A debate which was ended everywhere in the western world since 50 years before you had it.
>A war where you litteraly did nothing but to give the ally a "moral buff" when you entered it, at the "little" drawback of causing a german zerg rush.
>Someone who was completely unknown before Baudelaire translated his works
>A French thing. Created by the Frères Lumières. It was already an industry before the American started to do it too.
>The result of you not getting killed 1/20 of your population or getting 1/3 of your industry plundered by the fights.

No I'm not saying that it's nothing, because it's not, but it's far from being an as rich and interesting culture as the English, Italian, French, German or Spanish one.

That's the point, my friend. Even they believe they started the film industry

Well if you wanna play the oppression and atrocity card, I believe the English, Spaniards, and Germans have a lot to answer for, hmm?

Spanish? Oh come on, now you will start with the false rumours spread by the british and "americans" like the "spanish inquisition", or "spanish atrocities in cuba", or we exterminating Aztecs and Incas? You know was the chickenpox who killed so many people in south america, right?

Germans? Except WWII, they did almost nothing, coz they had few colonies.

Only britain and USA did so cruel thinks like exterminating the indigenous people in American continent.

all the cultures you pointed out are results of things like the roman empire and greeks to a large extent...so...stop acting like other cultures are somehow so unique and weren't formed from other now extinct ones.

French people was living under the roman empire dominion, and before that, the Gaul... all of that, is part of their history. Add greek culture to your own, is enrich your own culture.

USA, instead, is a mix of cultures. The only old culture and history you could had, are from the true americans, the natives ones, that you tried to exterminate, and, eventually, gived them some protected areas to live (that means, you rejected them and their history from your country)

Sorry.

[North Calaveras]

I've made similar statements in an attempt to piss off Mexicans, that the USA should just annex Mexico, and this is pretty much the reply I get back. Maybe it's time America got really involved in helping Latin America.

Mexico should deal with its own problems. But if America is feeling like helping her neighbors, I think the liberation of Cuba is way overdue. I'm sure cubans of both countries would celebrate that forever.

Castro have killed tens of thousands cubans in the first decades of his regime, who knows how many victims have been made by now...

if we did that the liberals would turn around and say " We need to mind our own business!"

[Cymrea]

Disagree. Denying someone's freedom of cultural identity is wrong, particularly in a country that prides itself on freedom.

America is still considered a land of immigrants, and when those immigrants are recently arrived from other countries, it's natural to want to retain their cultural identity. Same holds true for first-generation Americans born to immigrants. And then there are those who, regardless of when they or their forebears arrived in the States, identify most strongly as simply American. None of them are wrong. And don't mistake a celebration of ancestry as disloyalty, either.

Nothing wrong with denying someone they have no real claim to. Only an imaginary claim based on not liking America enough and being a special tumblr snowflake.

The first part, I can agree with. If you claim Irish ancestry and have none at all, calling you out is fine. Expected, really. Especially all the "Irish" folks on St. Patrick's Day.

Not liking America is a freedom Americans have and can choose to exercise.

[Immoren]

Y'all yanks to me

[Deuxtete]

I was talking with some guy from colombia who went off on me when I said I was an American. He said something like everyone in the Americas is an American. I agreed but then said he wasn't asking what continent I came from but what country. Then I asked how many countries have America in their name. He didn't answer but went on about Americans being arrogant etc.

I thought I had a good point. People don't say they are from a continent. They say they are from a country. My country is America. Is there another country called America?

How many countries have America in their name? I know one.

There is nothing wrong with US citizens saying they are American in reference to their national citizenship, HOWEVER its also entirely reasonable for citizens of every other nation in the Americas to refer to themselves as Americans, and responding to a US citizen who says "I'm American" with "okay, what country are you from?" Is reasonable as well.

Ranting at people over is really infantile.

[North Calaveras]

Look, I am an American

if you dump me on any other country in the world I am probably going to feel out of place

why?

because the cultures are differen't...

if American culture was nothing special then it would be easy for americans to blend in around the world...except we don't...

[Cymrea]

What's wrong with that? You conquerred them and now they end up as a discriminated minority even though they make the majority of the population in these place.
I don't see any reason of why they shouldn't do their parades if you're doing your own ones.

discriminated minority ppfffft i wont be getting into that garbage

They can do their parades, it doesn't change their disloyalty or hypocrisy.

Perceived disloyalty. Perceived by you. Not necessarily true.

Hypocrisy? I think you may be irony impaired.

[North Calaveras]

discriminated minority ppfffft i wont be getting into that garbage

They can do their parades, it doesn't change their disloyalty or hypocrisy.

Perceived disloyalty. Perceived by you. Not necessarily true.

Hypocrisy? I think you may be irony impaired.

It is perceived, definatley, but if you lived in an area where everyone waved (insert country flag here) and talked about how garbage your nation was, would you not perceive the same thing?

[Luziyca]

Depends on the language you are speaking. If you are speaking Spanish, America refers to the continent, but in English, it refers to the country. Tell him that.

[Aelex]

Look, I am an American

if you dump me on any other country in the world I am probably going to feel out of place

why?

because the cultures are differen't...

if American culture was nothing special then it would be easy for americans to blend in around the world...except we don't...

A minor derivated culture don't make it insignificant. You're simply to European Culture what is the Arabian to the Persian's one.

[Deuxtete]

Nothing wrong with denying someone they have no real claim to. Only an imaginary claim based on not liking America enough and being a special tumblr snowflake.

The first part, I can agree with. If you claim Irish ancestry and have none at all, calling you out is fine. Expected, really. Especially all the "Irish" folks on St. Patrick's Day.

Not liking America is a freedom Americans have and can choose to exercise.

1 in 10 Americans have some Irish Ancestry, Iirc its second just slightly behind German in terms of European ancestry.

That being said my family has traced back to 1400s Ireland, up until the 20th century the only non-Irish to mingle in my paternal line was native American and African, and my maternal line has been in the nation for only three generations living among the Irish dominated communities in the south.

I hate plastic paddies and if you hand me green beer with a fucking shamrock in it, we're going to fight.

[Cymrea]

Perceived disloyalty. Perceived by you. Not necessarily true.

Hypocrisy? I think you may be irony impaired.

It is perceived, definatley, but if you lived in an area where everyone waved (insert country flag here) and talked about how garbage your nation was, would you not perceive the same thing?

I just might, actually. But perception doesn't equate to reality. The freedoms to celebrate cultural heritage and criticise perceived flaws in our country are protected under our very constitution, and should be encouraged. Challenging the status quo in this country has been the driving force behind its evolution and innovation. You don't have to like it, obviously - that's you're freedom as well - but as an American who values the constitution, you can't deny those freedoms to other Americans.

[North Calaveras]

It is perceived, definatley, but if you lived in an area where everyone waved (insert country flag here) and talked about how garbage your nation was, would you not perceive the same thing?

I just might, actually. But perception doesn't equate to reality. The freedoms to celebrate cultural heritage and criticise perceived flaws in our country are protected under our very constitution, and should be encouraged. Challenging the status quo in this country has been the driving force behind its evolution and innovation. You don't have to like it, obviously - that's you're freedom as well - but as an American who values the constitution, you can't deny those freedoms to other Americans.

your right, i wouldn't deny them those freedoms, but I will point out of the toxicity and divisiveness that it brings.

[The Forsworn Knights]

I think I made a thread along these lines a while back. The general consensus I got was that Columbia was already claimed, "New-Britain" kinda ruined the point of seceding, and the only people who get mad about it are a few angry South American nationalists.

[Genivaria]

I just might, actually. But perception doesn't equate to reality. The freedoms to celebrate cultural heritage and criticise perceived flaws in our country are protected under our very constitution, and should be encouraged. Challenging the status quo in this country has been the driving force behind its evolution and innovation. You don't have to like it, obviously - that's you're freedom as well - but as an American who values the constitution, you can't deny those freedoms to other Americans.

your right, i wouldn't deny them those freedoms, but I will point out of the toxicity and divisiveness that it brings.

MLK was accused of being divisive to.

[Teemant]

Nothing. They're just jealous.

[North Calaveras]

your right, i wouldn't deny them those freedoms, but I will point out of the toxicity and divisiveness that it brings.

MLK was accused of being divisive to.

MLK also wasn't waving around another countries flag and practically disowning his own nation.

[Ashkera]

We have a history

Yeah, sure, whatever

Not to side with the guys being all "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" in this thread, but...

Not just two world wars, but also colonial / imperial behaviors, diplomacy, the cold war...

If you cut America from your history, it ends in the late 1700s. Their intervention in Latin America, Asia... friggin' Adolf Hitler no longer counts as "history" by that metric.

That seems like a very deliberately incomplete history to me.

Not to mention the American government is still in power. If we're being this way, then we might as well say a country's history resets when the government is overthrown, in which case, a lot of other countries are younger...

[Cymrea]

1 in 10 Americans have some Irish Ancestry, Iirc its second just slightly behind German in terms of European ancestry.

That being said my family has traced back to 1400s Ireland, up until the 20th century the only non-Irish to mingle in my paternal line was native American and African, and my maternal line has been in the nation for only three generations living among the Irish dominated communities in the south.

I hate plastic paddies and if you hand me green beer with a fucking shamrock in it, we're going to fight.

I was born in Canada to parents from Wales and Scotland, have emigrated to the U.S., and naturalised. I consider myself both American and Canadian (supported by a de facto dual citizenship), but I also consider myself Welsh and Scottish. I celebrate being Canadian on July 1st (Canada Day) and I celebrate being American on the Fourth of July. My loyalties are to the U.S. first and Canada a very very close second; this is a choice I make because I was born into Canadian citizenship, but I chose American citizenship and swore an oath of loyalty. That means something to me.

And St. Patrick was originally from Wales, so the Irish can just chill.

[Patridam]

Nothing, but for some reason a lot of people in the US love to say " oh im italian or irish or german"

no bitch...your American, just because your grandaddy is from (insert here) dosn't make you a part of that people, I have German and Italian ancestery but I would never say I have loyalty or some sense of commitment to these places.

You can be german american, if you were born/are from germany but have sinced moved to America; or vice versa. That is very different from having german ancestry. This kind of stuff gets messy when you start calling black people african american.

[North Calaveras]

Nothing, but for some reason a lot of people in the US love to say " oh im italian or irish or german"

no bitch...your American, just because your grandaddy is from (insert here) dosn't make you a part of that people, I have German and Italian ancestery but I would never say I have loyalty or some sense of commitment to these places.

You can be german american, if you were born/are from germany but have sinced moved to America; or vice versa. That is very different from having german ancestry. This kind of stuff gets messy when you start calling black people african american.

i agree with the bolded

I have what I call "Germano-Latin" blood in me(i made it up, so what), I have ancestery from the lands of what is considered modern germany and italy(though I only really show german features from my dad's "germanic" side

but I would never call myself German or italian, I just say I have Germanic or latin ancestery.