Field Reporter and Cameraman shot

[Gauthier]

Because focusing only on mental health will magically disincentivize people from wanting to buy guns to shoot other people. Why keep hazardous household chemicals out of the reach of children instead of just telling them they're hazardous?

Focusing on gun control will magically make guns disappear.

Guns are not the problem.

Guns are not the problem? So all those mentally ill people killed others with psychic powers now?

[United Prefectures of Appia]

If showing the reporter and cameraman getting shot on live TV isn't enough to get gun reforms going, then America's truly fucked up the ass. Sorry, but the country has turned into one large Dodge City. At least Andy Parker's willing to dedicate the rest of his life to fight for true gun control reforms.

[Gauthier]

If showing the reporter and cameraman getting shot on live TV isn't enough to get gun reforms going, then America's truly fucked up the ass. Sorry, but the country has turned into one large Dodge City. At least Andy Parker's willing to dedicate the rest of his life to fight for true gun control reforms.

That's how the gun worshippers in the NRA leadership and Congress want it. Dodge City. Where the only way to be safe is to carry a gun yourself and if you don't, you deserve what you get.

[Paddy O Fernature]

If showing the reporter and cameraman getting shot on live TV isn't enough to get gun reforms going, then America's truly fucked up the ass. Sorry, but the country has turned into one large Dodge City. At least Andy Parker's willing to dedicate the rest of his life to fight for true gun control reforms.

That's how the gun worshippers in the NRA leadership and Congress want it. Dodge City. Where the only way to be safe is to carry a gun yourself and if you don't, you deserve what you get.

Prove any of that bullshit stance, if you can.

[Gauthier]

That's how the gun worshippers in the NRA leadership and Congress want it. Dodge City. Where the only way to be safe is to carry a gun yourself and if you don't, you deserve what you get.

Prove any of that bullshit stance, if you can.

You mean besides the constant blocking of even tightening background checks? Or are you going to claim you're part of the NRA leadership or Congress and I'm personally insulting you?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Prove any of that bullshit stance, if you can.

You mean besides the constant blocking of even tightening background checks? Or are you going to claim you're part of the NRA leadership or Congress and I'm personally insulting you?

So, you can't and won't even attempt.

Noted.

[Gauthier]

You mean besides the constant blocking of even tightening background checks? Or are you going to claim you're part of the NRA leadership or Congress and I'm personally insulting you?

So, you can't and won't even attempt.

Noted.

Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote

So what's the excuse for this one?

[Paddy O Fernature]

So, you can't and won't even attempt.

Noted.

Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote

So what's the excuse for this one?

Doesn't need one, as that looks like Democracy in action. It was put to a vote, and was rejected by a majority vote.

I don't see a problem with this, or the process behind it.

[The Lone Alliance]

That's how the gun worshippers in the NRA leadership and Congress want it. Dodge City. Where the only way to be safe is to carry a gun yourself and if you don't, you deserve what you get.

Prove any of that bullshit stance, if you can.

That's just Gauthier being Gauthier. Making massive strawmen exaggerating statements about what the other side believes in an insulting manner is just what Gauthier does.

[Grinning Dragon]

So, you can't and won't even attempt.

Noted.

Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote

So what's the excuse for this one?

How would the passage of that in any way prevent that guy from killing those two people?

[Republic of Canador]

Focusing on gun control will magically make guns disappear.

Guns are not the problem.

Guns are not the problem? So all those mentally ill people killed others with psychic powers now?

The gun certainly wouldn't have killed anybody by itself. The problem is the murderer; not the murderer's weapon.

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Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote

So what's the excuse for this one?

How would the passage of that in any way prevent that guy from killing those two people?

How would that passage of that in any way violate the gun rights of law abiding citizens?

[Rusozak]

Guns are not the problem? So all those mentally ill people killed others with psychic powers now?

The gun certainly wouldn't have killed anybody by itself. The problem is the murderer; not the murderer's weapon.

No one cares about preventative measures because no violence means no fuel for supporting their policies on gun control, whatever they may be. It's just like medicine, the money's in the treatment, not the cure. That's where society is at.

[Gauthier]

Guns are not the problem? So all those mentally ill people killed others with psychic powers now?

The gun certainly wouldn't have killed anybody by itself. The problem is the murderer; not the murderer's weapon.

So we'll just make it convenient for murderers to get weapons that let them kill more people with less effort instead of trying to keep them from getting them in the first place. Dodge City. Be armed or be a target. *nod*

[USS Monitor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

Fuckin gun control freaks!

I'm all for gun rights, but I can see why Yanks want more gun control. In Switzerland, our laws are fairly lax, but that's because we have a more tight knit, homogeneous culture with low levels of crime and inequality. As the US doesn't have this, I can see why some may argue for gun control.]

Anyways, I read about this in my morning Zeitung, this is unfortunate.

Northern New England is pretty tight knit and homogeneous, and lo and behold, they are also capable of owning guns without constantly murdering each other.

We really need to tackle the social problems that are fueling high crime rates -- not just individual psychiatric problems, but also social justice and criminal justice. Companies need to start actually treating all races equally in hiring decisions, promotions, and lay-offs. There are too many where "celebrating diversity" is a smokescreen to distract people from looking at what the HR department is actually doing. We could do with less tokenistic "celebrations" of diversity, more shutting up and treating people fairly. Let them figure out for themselves what they want to do with the diversity around them. Police need to stop racial profiling, and in places where they have a bad relationship with the community, they need to sit down and talk with members of the community to address people's concerns and rebuild trust so that they can actually enforce the law. Too often people don't cooperate with police because there's a lack of trust and a culture of "no snitching." That makes it harder to solve crimes and protect the community. We need to stop incarcerating people over trivial non-violent offenses. The US has an exceptionally high incarceration rate, and it doesn't make us safer. Going to prison disrupts people's lives. It takes them away from their jobs and families, and in cases where they do have spouses and children, it is very damaging to the children. Once someone has a criminal record, that makes it more difficult for them to earn an honest living after they leave prison because they are discriminated against by prospective employers.

People always bring up mental illness whenever there's a shooting and a gun-control debate, but most of the gun crime is not caused by mental illness. Most of it is caused by social problems like poverty, the drug trade, etc.

[Rusozak]

My point presented prior has been proven.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

Most people start looking for ways to stop it from happening again.

[Gauthier]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

Most people start looking for ways to stop it from happening again.

But the only way to stop a shooting from happening again is to make sure everyone else besides the shooter is also armed so they can take down the shooter first.

[Rusozak]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

Most people start looking for ways to stop it from happening again.

I think the point trying to be made is there's more to it than just guns. I know, how about we try looking into the problem of so many insane maniacs running around killing everyone. People aren't even surprised anymore when something like this happens, and yet all people care about is the murder weapon and how they got it.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Most people start looking for ways to stop it from happening again.

I think the point trying to be made is there's more to it than just guns. I know, how about we try looking into the problem of so many insane maniacs running around killing everyone. People aren't even surprised anymore when something like this happens, and yet all people care about is the murder weapon and how they got it.

So why don't the insane maniacs in the UK or Japan or Australia kill each other with such frequency?

[Republic of Canador]

The gun certainly wouldn't have killed anybody by itself. The problem is the murderer; not the murderer's weapon.

So we'll just make it convenient for murderers to get weapons that let them kill more people with less effort instead of trying to keep them from getting them in the first place. Dodge City. Be armed or be a target. *nod*

Or we could always tackle the social issues that lead to disgruntled citizens shooting innocent people. Restricting guns won't stop murder as effectively as, say ample funding to psychiatric health institutions. Instead of the usual "GUNS ARE EVIL AND SCARY" approach to preventing the usage of firearms in a crime, let's work on preventing the crime itself. To make an analogy; instead of banning liquor to prevent alchoholism, we should fix the social problems that lead to alchoholism.

[Rusozak]

I think the point trying to be made is there's more to it than just guns. I know, how about we try looking into the problem of so many insane maniacs running around killing everyone. People aren't even surprised anymore when something like this happens, and yet all people care about is the murder weapon and how they got it.

So why don't the insane maniacs in the UK or Japan or Australia kill each other with such frequency?

Because there aren't as many?

[Keyboard Warriors]

Or we could always tackle the social issues that lead to disgruntled citizens shooting innocent people.

Any ideas?

[Keyboard Warriors]

So why don't the insane maniacs in the UK or Japan or Australia kill each other with such frequency?

Because there aren't as many?

You're saying that people in the UK, Japan and Australia are, on average, less insane than people in the US? Why?

[Gauthier]

So we'll just make it convenient for murderers to get weapons that let them kill more people with less effort instead of trying to keep them from getting them in the first place. Dodge City. Be armed or be a target. *nod*

Or we could always tackle the social issues that lead to disgruntled citizens shooting innocent people. Restricting guns won't stop murder as effectively as, say ample funding to psychiatric health institutions. Instead of the usual "GUNS ARE EVIL AND SCARY" approach to preventing the usage of firearms in a crime, let's work on preventing the crime itself. To make an analogy; instead of banning liquor to prevent alchoholism, we should fix the social problems that lead to alchoholism.

Who said anything about banning guns? The gun worshippers work to block even the tightening of background checks and reporting requirements related to them.

Instead of banning liquor, how about not letting the clearly intoxicated drive a car?