Field Reporter and Cameraman shot

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, it's the fact that we didn't do an adequate job of reorganizing Southern society after the Civil War. So you've got neo-Confederate asshats continuing to swagger around acting like they own the place and refusing to acknowledge that their way of doing things DOES NOT WORK. Their misguided policies continue to create high levels of poverty and inequality, which fuels resentment and crime. Then you've got all the black people that got freed from slavery and didn't get the support they needed to integrate and move on, so they've got all kinds of social problems that have just festered. To make things worse, the War on Drugs has been terribly mishandled and created more problems than it solves, especially in black neighborhoods.

Never heard of the Freed Man's Bureau have you? Try to be a little more educated on history, in particular the Reconstruction Era.

Freedman's Bureau didn't fix the problems of segregation, Jim Crow, the widespread influence of the KKK during the 1870s, and so on.

[Aelex]

Freedman's Bureau didn't fix the problems of segregation, Jim Crow, the widespread influence of the KKK during the 1870s, and so on.

Wait, Jim Crow? Like the character in the Disney movie with the Elephant?

[Esternial]

Yeah, it's the fact that we didn't do an adequate job of reorganizing Southern society after the Civil War. So you've got neo-Confederate asshats continuing to swagger around acting like they own the place and refusing to acknowledge that their way of doing things DOES NOT WORK. Their misguided policies continue to create high levels of poverty and inequality, which fuels resentment and crime. Then you've got all the black people that got freed from slavery and didn't get the support they needed to integrate and move on, so they've got all kinds of social problems that have just festered. To make things worse, the War on Drugs has been terribly mishandled and created more problems than it solves, especially in black neighborhoods.

Never heard of the Freed Man's Bureau have you? Try to be a little more educated on history, in particular the Reconstruction Era.

Wut?

Are you kidding me?

"Try to be a little more educated on history" is a stupid thing to say. You can't expect everyone to have knowledge of everything.

[Wanderjar]

Never heard of the Freed Man's Bureau have you? Try to be a little more educated on history, in particular the Reconstruction Era.

Freedman's Bureau didn't fix the problems of segregation, Jim Crow, the widespread influence of the KKK during the 1870s, and so on.

Yes, but the Civil Rights Act did. So after fifty years, these problems should be resolved and yet they're not. Why? Lack of will by the black community to do so.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Stomach, stomach, lung, heart, neck, dead.

Before you managed to stab third time, you would have been already pinned down and restrained. Which mean you'll have either killed or maimed one person.
With guns, the number of casualty grow way quicker.

If someone manages to pin me while I'm stabbing them I'm either trying to stab Chuck Norris or I'm doing something wrong.

With the way this situation was laid out the shooter still could have killed at least one person with a knife. Probably both given the guy was carrying a camera.

[Wanderjar]

Never heard of the Freed Man's Bureau have you? Try to be a little more educated on history, in particular the Reconstruction Era.

Wut?

Are you kidding me?

"Try to be a little more educated on history" is a stupid thing to say. You can't expect everyone to have knowledge of everything.

I can when you're arguing a point that is based on subjective reasoning.

[USS Monitor]

Freedman's Bureau didn't fix the problems of segregation, Jim Crow, the widespread influence of the KKK during the 1870s, and so on.

Wait, Jim Crow? Like the character in the Disney movie with the Elephant?

Like racist laws limiting the rights of black people during the late 19th and early 20th century.

[Aelex]

If someone manages to pin me while I'm stabbing them I'm either trying to stab Chuck Norris or I'm doing something wrong.

With the way this situation was laid out the shooter still could have killed at least one person with a knife. Probably both given the guy was carrying a camera.

Or while you're stabbing the first people, the second had enough time to react. And the people around too. Given you only have a knife which can only hurt when you strike, it's not very likely that you'll be able to kill more than the guy you sneaked on.

[Aelex]

Like racist laws limiting the rights of black people during the late 19th and early 20th century.

Ho. And Disney made a character out of these? I know that he was a nazi sympathizer, but still...

[Esternial]

Before you managed to stab third time, you would have been already pinned down and restrained. Which mean you'll have either killed or maimed one person.
With guns, the number of casualty grow way quicker.

If someone manages to pin me while I'm stabbing them I'm either trying to stab Chuck Norris or I'm doing something wrong.

With the way this situation was laid out the shooter still could have killed at least one person with a knife. Probably both given the guy was carrying a camera.

Can't speak for everyone else but I did get basic self-defense training against a knife. If you're just trying to stab me, there's a fair chance I can disarm you without receiving any life threatening injuries. I think it's not a done deal, training or not. You might get a kill, but it's not a certainty.

Stab me in the back though and you'll be tortured by Ned Stark for being a dishonorable git in the afterlife.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If someone manages to pin me while I'm stabbing them I'm either trying to stab Chuck Norris or I'm doing something wrong.

With the way this situation was laid out the shooter still could have killed at least one person with a knife. Probably both given the guy was carrying a camera.

Or while you're stabbing the first people, the second had enough time to react. And the people around too. Given you only have a knife which can only hurt when you strike, it's not very likely that you'll be able to kill more than the guy you sneaked on.

Oh no, with the way everyone was standing in this situation the shooter can get a clean stab on the reporters neck (dead) and rush the camera guy before he has time to react. Most people can't comprehend the fact that someone just died in front of them and react fast enough.

Can't speak for everyone else but I did get basic self-defense training against a knife. If you're just trying to stab me, there's a fair chance I can disarm you without receiving any life threatening injuries. I think it's not a done deal, training or not. You might get a kill, but it's not a certainty.

Stab me in the back though and you'll be tortured by Ned Stark for being a dishonorable git in the afterlife.

I've done a ton of training too, but the shooter in this situation could take at least one life with a knife. Just off of the positioning alone.

[USS Monitor]

Freedman's Bureau didn't fix the problems of segregation, Jim Crow, the widespread influence of the KKK during the 1870s, and so on.

Yes, but the Civil Rights Act did. So after fifty years, these problems should be resolved and yet they're not. Why? Lack of will by the black community to do so.

We still have people that grew up before or during the Civil Right Movement, and even when the Civil Rights Act was passed, it didn't immediately stop people from discriminating. It needs to be enforced for it to be any use. There has been a dramatic improvement in racial justice over the last 50 years, but these sorts of social issues don't immediately disappear the instant you pass a law.

At an apartment building where I used to live, there was a black woman who had lived in one of the downstairs apartments since the 1970s. It was after the Civil Rights Act when she moved in, but she had to get a white friend to talk to the landlord because they kept pretending the rental office was closed if she tried to go talk to them herself.

When my parents lived in Kentucky in the early 1980s, they wanted to move at one point so they put their house on the market. A black family came to look at the house, and my parents didn't think this was a problem. Then the neighbors, who had never flown a Confederate flag before, suddenly decided to put a Confederate flag on their porch and came over to tell my parents not to sell their house to any black people.

In 2005, I was in a car with a black guy that I was dating at the time and we stopped at a gas station in Des Moines. The clerk from the gas station ran out and went behind our car to scribble down the license plate number. When my then-boyfriend told him that was racist bullshit, he said black people had been stealing his gas and then driving off without paying. Why he didn't just get a security camera, I never figured out.

Many black people still complain about being followed around stores by security personnel, being pulled over for "driving while black," etc.; and considering the gas station incident described above, these complaints probably have some basis in reality.

I do think there are things black people are doing that make the problem worse, but I also think it's important to remember that we're still dealing with a lot of people who have been discriminated against in their own lifetime. They have more opportunities than in the past, but it takes some time for people to recover, both socially and economically, after such a long period of being discriminated against.

You can expect individual black people to take some responsibility for their actions while still acknowledging the historical reasons why the black community as a whole has more social problems.

[USS Monitor]

Like racist laws limiting the rights of black people during the late 19th and early 20th century.

Ho. And Disney made a character out of these? I know that he was a nazi sympathizer, but still...

Yeah. I liked Dumbo as a kid, but it is controversial in some quarters because of the crows.

[Wanderjar]

Yes, but the Civil Rights Act did. So after fifty years, these problems should be resolved and yet they're not. Why? Lack of will by the black community to do so.

We still have people that grew up before or during the Civil Right Movement, and even when the Civil Rights Act was passed, it didn't immediately stop people from discriminating. It needs to be enforced for it to be any use. There has been a dramatic improvement in racial justice over the last 50 years, but these sorts of social issues don't immediately disappear the instant you pass a law.

At an apartment building where I used to live, there was a black woman who had lived in one of the downstairs apartments since the 1970s. It was after the Civil Rights Act when she moved in, but she had to get a white friend to talk to the landlord because they kept pretending the rental office was closed if she tried to go talk to them herself.

When my parents lived in Kentucky in the early 1980s, they wanted to move at one point so they put their house on the market. A black family came to look at the house, and my parents didn't think this was a problem. Then the neighbors, who had never flown a Confederate flag before, suddenly decided to put a Confederate flag on their porch and came over to tell my parents not to sell their house to any black people.

In 2005, I was in a car with a black guy that I was dating at the time and we stopped at a gas station in Des Moines. The clerk from the gas station ran out and went behind our car to scribble down the license plate number. When my then-boyfriend told him that was racist bullshit, he said black people had been stealing his gas and then driving off without paying. Why he didn't just get a security camera, I never figured out.

Many black people still complain about being followed around stores by security personnel, being pulled over for "driving while black," etc.; and considering the gas station incident described above, these complaints probably have some basis in reality.

I do think there are things black people are doing that make the problem worse, but I also think it's important to remember that we're still dealing with a lot of people who have been discriminated against in their own lifetime. They have more opportunities than in the past, but it takes some time for people to recover, both socially and economically, after such a long period of being discriminated against.

You can expect individual black people to take some responsibility for their actions while still acknowledging the historical reasons why the black community as a whole has more social problems.

Yeah? I don't really care, that isn't my problem. I *have* some of those issues myself, as I am a Native American. But guess what? While annoying, I recognize that there are ignorant people out there. All of those things you listed can indeed make a person feel bad, which it does, yet it didn't stop me from being successful in my life. I hold everyone to the same standards I hold myself, and when one doesn't measure up I expect that they are accountable to themselves, and not blame others for their own failings. All the tools are there for someone to succeed if they want to. Problem is, most don't. I don't really care if someone believes that they don't understand their fortune of being born American, or that they were from 'a bad background', mine wasn't exactly great, coming from an abusive alcoholic household. And guess what? I still got out of that situation.

[USS Monitor]

We still have people that grew up before or during the Civil Right Movement, and even when the Civil Rights Act was passed, it didn't immediately stop people from discriminating. It needs to be enforced for it to be any use. There has been a dramatic improvement in racial justice over the last 50 years, but these sorts of social issues don't immediately disappear the instant you pass a law.

At an apartment building where I used to live, there was a black woman who had lived in one of the downstairs apartments since the 1970s. It was after the Civil Rights Act when she moved in, but she had to get a white friend to talk to the landlord because they kept pretending the rental office was closed if she tried to go talk to them herself.

When my parents lived in Kentucky in the early 1980s, they wanted to move at one point so they put their house on the market. A black family came to look at the house, and my parents didn't think this was a problem. Then the neighbors, who had never flown a Confederate flag before, suddenly decided to put a Confederate flag on their porch and came over to tell my parents not to sell their house to any black people.

In 2005, I was in a car with a black guy that I was dating at the time and we stopped at a gas station in Des Moines. The clerk from the gas station ran out and went behind our car to scribble down the license plate number. When my then-boyfriend told him that was racist bullshit, he said black people had been stealing his gas and then driving off without paying. Why he didn't just get a security camera, I never figured out.

Many black people still complain about being followed around stores by security personnel, being pulled over for "driving while black," etc.; and considering the gas station incident described above, these complaints probably have some basis in reality.

I do think there are things black people are doing that make the problem worse, but I also think it's important to remember that we're still dealing with a lot of people who have been discriminated against in their own lifetime. They have more opportunities than in the past, but it takes some time for people to recover, both socially and economically, after such a long period of being discriminated against.

You can expect individual black people to take some responsibility for their actions while still acknowledging the historical reasons why the black community as a whole has more social problems.

Yeah? I don't really care, that isn't my problem. I *have* some of those issues myself, as I am a Native American. But guess what? While annoying, I recognize that there are ignorant people out there. All of those things you listed can indeed make a person feel bad, which it does, yet it didn't stop me from being successful in my life. I hold everyone to the same standards I hold myself, and when one doesn't measure up I expect that they are accountable to themselves, and not blame others for their own failings. All the tools are there for someone to succeed if they want to. Problem is, most don't. I don't really care if someone believes that they don't understand their fortune of being born American, or that they were from 'a bad background', mine wasn't exactly great, coming from an abusive alcoholic household. And guess what? I still got out of that situation.

Good for you? There's a difference between an individual using historical racism as an excuse for their personal failures and using it to explain broad social trends.

The shooter in this case was in the wrong, and whatever racial issues he's encountered don't excuse him from shooting people. But they do explain why black people shoot each other at a higher rate than whites.

[Eol Sha]

For numerous reasons ranging from protection to hunting. Me, personally, I want to own antique rifles and muskets one day.

Antique guns are awesome.

Yeah. I'm aiming to purchase old, pre-World War II rifles.

[Esternial]

I've done a ton of training too, but the shooter in this situation could take at least one life with a knife. Just off of the positioning alone.

Probably. That said, I think taking a life with a knife is much harder, and for this guy's purposes a gun would have made it much easier for him to decide this particular course of action.

Don't think he would've taken enough with "at least one". A gun nets a higher chance at success.

[Alyakia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

[Gauthier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

Yes, it's vile and repugnant that he wants to prevent future gun deaths like his daughter's. In fact he should have given her a gun before she took that reporting job, she might have been alive then. *nod*

[Big Jim P]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

The GCMs were on this in just minutes. Typical of them.

[Hansberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

Fuckin gun control freaks!

I'm all for gun rights, but I can see why Yanks want more gun control. In Switzerland, our laws are fairly lax, but that's because we have a more tight knit, homogeneous culture with low levels of crime and inequality. As the US doesn't have this, I can see why some may argue for gun control.]

Anyways, I read about this in my morning Zeitung, this is unfortunate.

[North Calaveras]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlvehHCy1c

wow, pretty disgusting he's using this incident to push his political agenda!

Fuckin gun control freaks!

I'm all for gun rights, but I can see why Yanks want more gun control. In Switzerland, our laws are fairly lax, but that's because we have a more tight knit, homogeneous culture with low levels of crime and inequality. As the US doesn't have this, I can see why some may argue for gun control.]

Anyways, I read about this in my morning Zeitung, this is unfortunate.

stop asking for gun control, and talk more about mental health.

[Gauthier]

Fuckin gun control freaks!

I'm all for gun rights, but I can see why Yanks want more gun control. In Switzerland, our laws are fairly lax, but that's because we have a more tight knit, homogeneous culture with low levels of crime and inequality. As the US doesn't have this, I can see why some may argue for gun control.]

Anyways, I read about this in my morning Zeitung, this is unfortunate.

stop asking for gun control, and talk more about mental health.

Because focusing only on mental health will magically disincentivize people from wanting to buy guns to shoot other people. Why keep hazardous household chemicals out of the reach of children instead of just telling them they're hazardous?

[Hansberg]

Fuckin gun control freaks!

I'm all for gun rights, but I can see why Yanks want more gun control. In Switzerland, our laws are fairly lax, but that's because we have a more tight knit, homogeneous culture with low levels of crime and inequality. As the US doesn't have this, I can see why some may argue for gun control.]

Anyways, I read about this in my morning Zeitung, this is unfortunate.

stop asking for gun control, and talk more about mental health.

Pardon? I'm not asking for gun control necessarily. And we have a solid mental health situation in my country because we have a solid culture and caring populace. But, the main reason for gun violence are deprived and crime ridden neighborhoods, many of which lack a cohesive social situation. If you yanks want to stop gun violence, address the issues within mentally ill, black, crime ridden, and desperate communities.

[Big Jim P]

stop asking for gun control, and talk more about mental health.

Because focusing only on mental health will magically disincentivize people from wanting to buy guns to shoot other people. Why keep hazardous household chemicals out of the reach of children instead of just telling them they're hazardous?

Focusing on gun control will magically make guns disappear.

Guns are not the problem.