Field Reporter and Cameraman shot

[Oneracon]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

[Gun Manufacturers]

the hypothetical situation involves police forcibly(attacking me) to get my weapons...

what part of the word amnisty don't you understand? Honestly, it's not any different to your average drug raid. You're not gonna wake up tomorrow and hear the headlines that gun raids began.

How about the word "amnisty". Did you mean amnesty?

[North Calaveras]

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

So easy to acess?

clearly you havn't been to hawaii or california.

[Oneracon]

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

So easy to acess?

clearly you havn't been to hawaii or california.

This shooting took place in neither of those states.

[North Calaveras]

So easy to acess?

clearly you havn't been to hawaii or california.

This shooting took place in neither of those states.

dosn't matter, you making a blanked statement by going "firearms are so easy to acess"

when it varies by state and even then, that arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on.

Arizona(which i will continue to use) has very lenient gun laws, yet place like chicago have horrific gun violence while possessing some of the toughest gun laws.

[Tyrinth]

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

You can't just declare your view correct and attempt to cut off other views. Sorry, but that's reality.

This could have been pulled off with a knife. What's more interesting is the mental state of some people, and the blatant increase in people using the media paired with atrocities for attention.

[Oneracon]

This shooting took place in neither of those states.

dosn't matter, you making a blanked statement by going "firearms are so easy to acess"

when it varies by state and even then, that arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on.

Arizona(which i will continue to use) has very lenient gun laws, yet place like chicago have horrific gun violence while possessing some of the toughest gun laws.

Let's see, we can go into detail about loopholes concerning private sales, sales at gun shows, and online sales (all three of which are essentially black holes of regulation that don't even require basic background checks)... so yes it is still quite easy to access firearms.

Some simple common sense gun control laws were defeated in a Virginia State Senate committee just this past January, which would have required background checks for purchases at gun shows and blocked people who had been convicted of domestic abuse from purchasing firearms. On the other hand, that same committee passed legislation that allowed firearms on school grounds outside of school hours and overturned municipal ordinances against carrying loaded shotguns or rifles. If that doesn't strike a reasonable person as incredibly nonsensical, then I don't know what would.

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

You can't just declare your view correct and attempt to cut off other views. Sorry, but that's reality.

This could have been pulled off with a knife. What's more interesting is the mental state of some people, and the blatant increase in people using the media paired with atrocities for attention.

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade. Even slitting someone's throat requires that you get enough of a grip on them to do the deed.

Killing someone with a firearm, on the other hand, is comparatively quite easy as long as you have good aim. All it requires is a simple movement of one finger.

[North Calaveras]

dosn't matter, you making a blanked statement by going "firearms are so easy to acess"

when it varies by state and even then, that arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on.

Arizona(which i will continue to use) has very lenient gun laws, yet place like chicago have horrific gun violence while possessing some of the toughest gun laws.

Let's see, we can go into detail about loopholes concerning private sales, sales at gun shows, and online sales (all three of which are essentially black holes of regulation that don't even require basic background checks)... so yes it is still quite easy to access firearms.

Some simple common sense gun control laws were defeated in a Virginia State Senate committee just this past January, which would have required background checks for purchases at gun shows and blocked people who had been convicted of domestic abuse from purchasing firearms. On the other hand, that same committee passed legislation that allowed firearms on school grounds outside of school hours and overturned municipal ordinances against carrying loaded shotguns or rifles. If that doesn't strike a reasonable person as incredibly nonsensical, then I don't know what would.

You can't just declare your view correct and attempt to cut off other views. Sorry, but that's reality.

This could have been pulled off with a knife. What's more interesting is the mental state of some people, and the blatant increase in people using the media paired with atrocities for attention.

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade. Even slitting someone's throat requires that you get enough of a grip on them to do the deed.

Killing someone with a firearm, on the other hand, is comparatively quite easy as long as you have good aim. All it requires is a simple movement of one finger.

Id consider these things as good, especially with the retarded "gun free zones" that exist.

[Oneracon]

Let's see, we can go into detail about loopholes concerning private sales, sales at gun shows, and online sales (all three of which are essentially black holes of regulation that don't even require basic background checks)... so yes it is still quite easy to access firearms.

Some simple common sense gun control laws were defeated in a Virginia State Senate committee just this past January, which would have required background checks for purchases at gun shows and blocked people who had been convicted of domestic abuse from purchasing firearms. On the other hand, that same committee passed legislation that allowed firearms on school grounds outside of school hours and overturned municipal ordinances against carrying loaded shotguns or rifles. If that doesn't strike a reasonable person as incredibly nonsensical, then I don't know what would.



Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade. Even slitting someone's throat requires that you get enough of a grip on them to do the deed.

Killing someone with a firearm, on the other hand, is comparatively quite easy as long as you have good aim. All it requires is a simple movement of one finger.

Id consider these things as good, especially with the retarded "gun free zones" that exist.

And that type of borderline fetishism for guns is why common sense regulations like universal background checks don't get passed.

[North Calaveras]

Id consider these things as good, especially with the retarded "gun free zones" that exist.

And that type of borderline fetishism for guns is why common sense regulations like universal background checks don't get passed.

your damn right i have a fetish for my rights, just like i have a fetish for freedom of speech.

[USS Monitor]

People that own guns are likely to have more than one. So it's not like there is a gun in every home. There are some states where it's normal to have a gun and others where it's not.

which proves that guns are not the problem and it's obviously something else.

Yeah, it's the fact that we didn't do an adequate job of reorganizing Southern society after the Civil War. So you've got neo-Confederate asshats continuing to swagger around acting like they own the place and refusing to acknowledge that their way of doing things DOES NOT WORK. Their misguided policies continue to create high levels of poverty and inequality, which fuels resentment and crime. Then you've got all the black people that got freed from slavery and didn't get the support they needed to integrate and move on, so they've got all kinds of social problems that have just festered. To make things worse, the War on Drugs has been terribly mishandled and created more problems than it solves, especially in black neighborhoods.

[Imperializt Russia]

This shooting took place in neither of those states.

dosn't matter, you making a blanked statement by going "firearms are so easy to acess"

when it varies by state and even then, that arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on.

Arizona(which i will continue to use) has very lenient gun laws, yet place like chicago have horrific gun violence while possessing some of the toughest gun laws.

Yes, because the problem is much deeper than guns themselves.
Access (not availability) greatly exacerbates the problems into substantial violence.

[Tyrinth]

The real problem is the fact that firearms are so easy to access. Sorry but that's reality.

Saying that the government(s) need to support mental health and safety is all well and good... but it doesn't detract from the fact that if he hadn't been able to just go out and buy a firearm then this never would have happened.

You can't just declare your view correct and attempt to cut off other views. Sorry, but that's reality.

This could have been pulled off with a knife. What's more interesting is the mental state of some people, and the blatant increase in people using the media paired with atrocities for attention.

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade. Even slitting someone's throat requires that you get enough of a grip on them to do the deed.

Killing someone with a firearm, on the other hand, is comparatively quite easy as long as you have good aim. All it requires is a simple movement of one finger.[/quote]


Not nearly as much effort as people like to play up when attempting to make the claim you're attempting to make.

Regardless, relative ease doesn't change that, as I originally stated, this could have been accomplished with a knife. And NS's insistence on having the same, go-nowhere conversation of "guns should be banned! ... no, they shouldn't" once again means other, potentially more meaningful conversations go unrealized.

Edit: I have no idea what happened to the rest of that quote bracket. Doing this on a phone is awful.

[Oneracon]

And that type of borderline fetishism for guns is why common sense regulations like universal background checks don't get passed.

your damn right i have a fetish for my rights, just like i have a fetish for freedom of speech.

Coming from the person who just talked about the importance of mental health issues and safety education, why do you seem to oppose universal background checks? Wouldn't this lead to "good guys" getting access to firearms (since they don't pose a danger to anyone) and stop a large proportion of the "bad guys" from getting them? (To borrow the phrasing from Wayne LaPierre)

[Oneracon]

You can't just declare your view correct and attempt to cut off other views. Sorry, but that's reality.

This could have been pulled off with a knife. What's more interesting is the mental state of some people, and the blatant increase in people using the media paired with atrocities for attention.

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade. Even slitting someone's throat requires that you get enough of a grip on them to do the deed.

Killing someone with a firearm, on the other hand, is comparatively quite easy as long as you have good aim. All it requires is a simple movement of one finger.

Not nearly as much effort as people like to play up when attempting to make the claim you're attempting to make.

Regardless, relative ease doesn't change that, as I originally stated, this could have been accomplished with a knife. And NS's insistence on having the same, go-nowhere conversation of "guns should be banned! ... no, they shouldn't" once again means other, potentially more meaningful conversations go unrealized.

Edit: I have no idea what happened to the rest of that quote bracket. Doing this on a phone is awful.[/quote]
Relative ease does change things. If you want to kill someone you have a personal vendetta with, you usually want to do it as quickly and easily as possible. If he'd some at them with a knife either Parker or Ward might have been able to get away... hell, they may not have been killed at all and simply been severely injured.

As for the issue of common sense firearms regulation in the United States, that is pretty meaningful considering the amounts of people who are killed or injured every year. As for using the media to gain notoriety, that is an equally valid conversation to have... but simply saying "this is about mental health and the media, stop talking about guns!!!" isn't taking into account the effect that firearms and the general ease of access had on this crime.

[Big Jim P]

dosn't matter, you making a blanked statement by going "firearms are so easy to acess"

when it varies by state and even then, that arguement dosn't have a leg to stand on.

Arizona(which i will continue to use) has very lenient gun laws, yet place like chicago have horrific gun violence while possessing some of the toughest gun laws.

Let's see, we can go into detail about loopholes concerning private sales, sales at gun shows, and online sales (all three of which are essentially black holes of regulation that don't even require basic background checks)... so yes it is still quite easy to access firearms.

Some simple common sense gun control laws were defeated in a Virginia State Senate committee just this past January, which would have required background checks for purchases at gun shows and blocked people who had been convicted of domestic abuse from purchasing firearms. On the other hand, that same committee passed legislation that allowed firearms on school grounds outside of school hours and overturned municipal ordinances against carrying loaded shotguns or rifles. If that doesn't strike a reasonable person as incredibly nonsensical, then I don't know what would.

The "Gun show loophole" is a myth. A dealer selling at a gun show (or anywhere for that matter) is required to run a background check.

The "online gun sales" require the firearm to be shipped between FFLs, and the one on the receiving end is required to run a background check on the purchaser before delivering the gun.

I am not sure, but I do believe that being convicted of domestic abuse disqualifies a person by Federal law.

Guns on school grounds is not a bad thing. Before the current mania for gun control, schools use to have shooting teams and ranges on school grounds. The whole "gun-free zone" idea is a farce.

Carrying loaded shotguns and rifles are legal in some places, and do not seem to be a problem. In any event, rifles and shotguns are the least likely firearms to be used criminally.

[Saiwania]

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade.

Generally speaking, you can kill someone with only one well placed stab. It only requires knowledge of where the vital organs and arteries are. A fatal wound inflicted by a blade will usually be the one which causes the most blood loss.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade.

Stomach, stomach, lung, heart, neck, dead.

[Wanderjar]

Title of the threat, "Alleged Racist Field Reporter and Cameraman shot", implies significance. Also, Nirvash has chosen to moderate it to alleged, scaling back from simply "Racist field reporter", and not simply say "Field Reporter" while waiting for evidence that any racist comments were made (which also is different from being a racist).

In short: Yes, though not directly. (That it matters, not that it justifies murder.)

So what you're saying is that racially charged comments don't even carry enough weight to get a passing mention in an instance of black on white violence? Following a string of highly sensationalized white on black deaths?

I would say not, considering that there have been several black on white deaths simultaneously as the shootings of the various criminals who were killed by police. Why is it relevant? Unless you're passively trying to say that he was justified because a mentally ill individual claims someone was racist to them.

[Wanderjar]

which proves that guns are not the problem and it's obviously something else.

Yeah, it's the fact that we didn't do an adequate job of reorganizing Southern society after the Civil War. So you've got neo-Confederate asshats continuing to swagger around acting like they own the place and refusing to acknowledge that their way of doing things DOES NOT WORK. Their misguided policies continue to create high levels of poverty and inequality, which fuels resentment and crime. Then you've got all the black people that got freed from slavery and didn't get the support they needed to integrate and move on, so they've got all kinds of social problems that have just festered. To make things worse, the War on Drugs has been terribly mishandled and created more problems than it solves, especially in black neighborhoods.

Never heard of the Freed Man's Bureau have you? Try to be a little more educated on history, in particular the Reconstruction Era.

[Esternial]

Do you know how much effort it takes to kill someone with a knife? There's a lot of physical exertion involved in stabbing or slashing someone to death, especially with a small blade.

Stomach, stomach, lung, heart, neck, dead.

Wowie, Ms. Granger, someone's being an overachiever.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So gun owners should fire at police if police come for their guns?

New York (on of the big gun control states) can't even get compliance with the S.A.F.E. Act. Now imagine trying to get nation-wide compliance from 100 million gun owners, many in states with far more reasonable gun laws.

Also consider what it would take to get a gun ban: The Second Amendment would have to be repealed. This would take ratification of 38 states, 44 (If I recall correctly) of which have the right to bear arms in their State Constitutions. Some of those would have to be repealed, and a total ban has almost no support among the people. THEN comes the problem of enforcement (by a police force and military who have many members who support the right to bear arms) and compliance.

A total ban is not going to happen any time soon, and new or more restrictive gun laws are not likely either. In fact, many States are loosening restrictions on ownership and carry.

CT also had massive non-compliance when they passed their new "assault weapon" and "high capacity" magazine registration requirements.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Stomach, stomach, lung, heart, neck, dead.

Wowie, Ms. Granger, someone's being an overachiever.

I've been trying really hard to get an A+ lately..

[Esternial]

Wowie, Ms. Granger, someone's being an overachiever.

I've been trying really hard to get an A+ lately..

10 points for Caesar's Legion.

[Aelex]

Stomach, stomach, lung, heart, neck, dead.

Before you managed to stab third time, you would have been already pinned down and restrained. Which mean you'll have either killed or maimed one person.
With guns, the number of casualty grow way quicker.