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[Imperializt Russia]

That... didn't happen?

he will attend islamic based discussions and bitch and say that muslims shouldn't be judged because of a few madmen but he will bring hypocrisy here and ask for more regulation on firearms.

You're misframing Gauthier's argument entirely.
He is stating that America requires greater gun control and that American gun culture is problematic. If not the first, the second should at least be recognised. This is not an attack on gun owners, this is him attacking the availability of firearms, the risk factor that they are.

Opposition, no problem there, but misframing his argument is just rude.

[North Calaveras]

he will attend islamic based discussions and bitch and say that muslims shouldn't be judged because of a few madmen but he will bring hypocrisy here and ask for more regulation on firearms.

You're misframing Gauthier's argument entirely.
He is stating that America requires greater gun control and that American gun culture is problematic. If not the first, the second should at least be recognised. This is not an attack on gun owners, this is him attacking the availability of firearms, the risk factor that they are.

Opposition, no problem there, but misframing his argument is just rude.

That's your opinion and I have my own, I think the guy is a hypocrite whom trys to stir trouble, especially with me in the past.

[Big Jim P]

he will attend islamic based discussions and bitch and say that muslims shouldn't be judged because of a few madmen but he will bring hypocrisy here and ask for more regulation on firearms.

Because "Make sure background checks are actually being carried out and updated" is the exact same thing as "Take everyone's guns away."

they are already carried out, and how often do you think they need updating? With modern technology, the NICS could be updated in close to real-time.

[Gauthier]

Because "Make sure background checks are actually being carried out and updated" is the exact same thing as "Take everyone's guns away."

they are already carried out, and how often do you think they need updating? With modern technology, the NICS could be updated in close to real-time.

Yet mentally unstable individuals get to buy guns without much fuss then go shoot up a bunch of people later, even if they've been tagged with mental illness.

[Big Jim P]

they are already carried out, and how often do you think they need updating? With modern technology, the NICS could be updated in close to real-time.

Yet mentally unstable individuals get to buy guns without much fuss then go shoot up a bunch of people later, even if they've been tagged with mental illness.

What would you suggest we do then? I have made my suggestion: improve the reporting and the mental health system.

[The Black Forrest]

Yet mentally unstable individuals get to buy guns without much fuss then go shoot up a bunch of people later, even if they've been tagged with mental illness.

What would you suggest we do then? I have made my suggestion: improve the reporting and the mental health system.

And undo Saint Ronnies changes? You liberal democrat *spits*

Seriously, we do have a problem in this area. Sandy Hook might have been avoided if there was a response system to where someone reports a person might be dangers to self and others. I thought I read the mother tried to do that and even when to the police and they said they can't do anything until he tries something.....

[Gun Manufacturers]

This is tragic. Another bloody shooting in the bloody United States (empahsis on the bloody). When will you learn that you can't just give every physcopath the right to own a friken gun? Seriously! This has gone on long enough! My thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. The US really needs to change its gun laws. Way too many human lives have been lost to the second ammendment!

Psychopaths (the ones adjudicated mentally incompetent/a danger to themselves or others, at least) can't legally own/possess firearms.

[Tyrinth]

How exactly do y'all propose we tie the mental health system into the background check system? How many shootings do you think that will stop?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Did the shooter have a history of mental illness or a criminal record?

I have no idea. I also don't care. Why did he have a gun?
Unless you are a hunter, in the military, a sportsperson who happens to be a shooter or a police officer, it is more than likely that if you own a gun, you're gonna use it to shoot people. Why else would you have one

You forgot collectors.

[The Black Forrest]

How exactly do y'all propose we tie the mental health system into the background check system? How many shootings do you think that will stop?

Unknown. I am not even sure there is "credible" data on the mental state.

It wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook as I believe the killer to the mothers weapons. Which opens the question. If you live with a person with a dangerous mental condition, should you be allowed gun ownership?

It's not a simple task.....

[Grand Calvert]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

[The Black Forrest]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

Because.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I provided you with why Flanagan bought a gun. He says he was preparing for a race war.

"Why do you want a gun?"
"I want to start a race war!"
"Okay, here you go. You can owm this one legally!"

None of the FFLs I've ever shopped at, or worked at would have sold someone a firearm if they said they wanted to start a race war.

[North Calaveras]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

[Tyrinth]

How exactly do y'all propose we tie the mental health system into the background check system? How many shootings do you think that will stop?

Unknown. I am not even sure there is "credible" data on the mental state.

It wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook as I believe the killer to the mothers weapons. Which opens the question. If you live with a person with a dangerous mental condition, should you be allowed gun ownership?

It's not a simple task.....

Agreed. That's part of the problem. Those who write these laws approach it like it's a simple, black and white issue, which it most certainly is not.

How do we determine who (or if you want to remove the humanity: what disorders) are a threat? How do we incorporate the potential for misdiagnoses? How do we do it without violating HIPAA and related laws?

[Imperializt Russia]

"Why do you want a gun?"
"I want to start a race war!"
"Okay, here you go. You can owm this one legally!"

None of the FFLs I've ever shopped at, or worked at would have sold someone a firearm if they said they wanted to start a race war.

People who believe silly things like that are why the gun control debate finds itself drowned out by idiots.

[USS Monitor]

Did the shooter have a history of mental illness or a criminal record?

I have no idea. I also don't care. Why did he have a gun?
Unless you are a hunter, in the military, a sportsperson who happens to be a shooter or a police officer, it is more than likely that if you own a gun, you're gonna use it to shoot people. Why else would you have one

A lot of people just keep one around the house cos they think it might come in handy for self-defense, but they don't use it regularly.

The murder rate honestly is more of a social problem than a gun problem. Canadians and Americans have comparable rates of gun ownership, but Canadians don't shoot each other as much. And the parts of the US that have the lowest homicide rates are on the Canadian border (Minnesota and New England). Obviously we need to teach everyone French and hand out poutine.

The thing is, a lot of the same people that are adamant about their 2nd amendment rights are also adamant that they don't want to pay taxes to fund a better social safety net. Even if someone is known to have mental problems, the cost of treatment makes it less likely they will get the help they need. Every time there's a shooting and a gun control debate, the gun rights crowd says we need better mental health treatment, and maybe some of them sincerely do support that, but a lot of them aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is.

[The Black Forrest]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

Ah. So do everything else but don't touch muh guns!

Something to review for the claim of more guns makes it better.
-edit-darn cut and paste .. Let me fix the links.
-edit 2- Moron operator moment corrected.
http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749 ... 0/abstract

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/new-stu ... ent-crime/

[USS Monitor]

It's not compulsory, THAT's MY POINT, which brings me back to my original question, why own one?

For numerous reasons ranging from protection to hunting. Me, personally, I want to own antique rifles and muskets one day.

Antique guns are awesome.

[North Calaveras]

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

Ah. So do everything else but don't touch muh guns!

Something to review for the claim of more guns makes it better.
-edit-darn cut and paste .. Let me fix the links.

Hey, if you have a society with guns that's stable and another society without guns that is stable

well then...dosn't look like guns are the damn problem.

[The Black Forrest]

Not officially. But when he was terminated. They had security present.

'Terminated...lovely way of putting it.'

Being violent and having a condition aren't the same thing though. Perfectly normal people have become violent at a flash of anger when they weren't feeling their best.

Terminated is what they call firing a person. HR speak.....

[Gauthier]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control debate?

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

Because there's nothing wrong at all when someone is certifiably fucked up and they still get to walk out of the shop with nice firearms they paid for.

[North Calaveras]

because instead of going after the real problem:mental health and saftey/eduaction, it's far easier to pander to sheep and give them an object/person/thing to fear, guns are a good scapegoat.

Instead of going " Man that guy was fucked up" the first thing in peoples heads these days is " Guns!" and this creates a debate because people are so easily convinced by the news that there is some kind of "wild west" in the united states, even though places like arizona have very lenient laws yet are still very stable and nice places to live.

Because there's nothing wrong at all when someone is certifiably fucked up and they still get to walk out of the shop with nice firearms they paid for.

when have i ever advocated/implied such a stance?

[USS Monitor]

Weird, can you explain to me how that's the case when there are more than 300,000,000 guns in this country? I mean, using your idiotic logic we should be massacring each other in such massive droves the country wouldn't even exist anymore.

TL;DR less than half of one percent of guns in the US are used in crime.

So less than 3,000,000 guns are used in crime? That's reasuring. Also, isn't your population something like 350,000,000. That's nearly one gun per head of population-and that's just the recorded ones-shit!
Also, you have to subtract the owners of multipul guns

People that own guns are likely to have more than one. So it's not like there is a gun in every home. There are some states where it's normal to have a gun and others where it's not.

[North Calaveras]

So less than 3,000,000 guns are used in crime? That's reasuring. Also, isn't your population something like 350,000,000. That's nearly one gun per head of population-and that's just the recorded ones-shit!
Also, you have to subtract the owners of multipul guns

People that own guns are likely to have more than one. So it's not like there is a gun in every home. There are some states where it's normal to have a gun and others where it's not.

which proves that guns are not the problem and it's obviously something else.