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Unemployment Rates in the US Over Time

Postby Imsogone » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:28 pm

Interesting to note that how unemployment spread. Any comments on this?
I'm wondering if any of our resident economists, pedagogues, ideologues etc have any explanation as to why the midwest isn't being hit as hard (hard being relative here) and if they have any projections for how recovery will develop.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:31 pm

Where I live is over 10%. :geek:
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:33 pm

I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...

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Postby Lord Tothe » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:35 pm

I saw this a while back. Interesting how the rural areas were more stable than urban, but the cascade affected every area. Remember through that the crash is not where the problem occurred - we should have been paying more attention during the bubbles of the 90's and 00's.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:36 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Where I live is 4.0% to 4.9%. :geek:

Yeah, I found the scale, my browser was cutting it off...My counties actually improved from 5-6% to 4% at the start of the recession, but, within the last year it plummeted to over 9%....

Course, outside the Coast, Mississippi's always been broke, we just recently decided to join it, >_>

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:38 pm

it seems center is better and i should think about moving to Nebraska.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:38 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:Where I live is 4.0% to 4.9%. :geek:

Yeah, I found the scale, my browser was cutting it off...My counties actually improved from 5-6% to 4% at the start of the recession, but, within the last year it plummeted to over 9%....

Course, outside the Coast, Mississippi's always been broke, we just recently decided to join it, >_>

About over a third of the people who live here are Mexican. :D

That means more Mexican food for us.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:39 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Where I live is 4.0% to 4.9%. :geek:

Yeah, I found the scale, my browser was cutting it off...My counties actually improved from 5-6% to 4% at the start of the recession, but, within the last year it plummeted to over 9%....

Course, outside the Coast, Mississippi's always been broke, we just recently decided to join it, >_>

Actually never mind, I watched the video, and it's over 10%. :palm:

My parents are also unemployed here. But then that's because my mom is taking care of my 2-year old sister, and my dad just doesn't feel like working.
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Postby Jubu Jubu Jabu » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:41 pm

Maurepas wrote:I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...



Exactly, there need to be almost punitive tariffs on those that outsource. Plain and simple.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:44 pm

Jubu Jubu Jabu wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...



Exactly, there need to be almost punitive tariffs on those that outsource. Plain and simple.

that is a protectionist measure that would likely result in tariffs on American good.
Basically causing a trade war which will result in the 1930's.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:44 pm

Jubu Jubu Jabu wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...



Exactly, there need to be almost punitive tariffs on those that outsource. Plain and simple.

Well, idk about that, my thinking is more along the lines of extending subsidies to more agricultural products, and requiring that a company that wants to sell its goods in the United States have to hire X number of people...

They dont have a choice but to sell here, being the largest market and all, and even if they chose not to, it does us the favor of being able to domestically produce/sell them...

They did it with the car companies, and, although it hurt the big three, it prompted Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc., to put factories in the United States...

So, its not a tariff on outsourcing I think, so much as requiring that the foreign companies that flood our markets with their goods also hire our people...

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Postby Urzamalandi » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:45 pm

In my humble opinion, the recession has been used as an excuse by a lot of companies and cooperations to trim down the workforce not for necessity but for streamlining. The companies where not going to go broke, but they might as well lay off 20% of the workforce endevour to be more efficient and bulk up the bonus and benefits packages for the executives (as publicly demonstrated in the banking sector).

Why have 5 people doing what 2 people can do under threat of further layoffs?
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Postby Jubu Jubu Jabu » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:46 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Jubu Jubu Jabu wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...



Exactly, there need to be almost punitive tariffs on those that outsource. Plain and simple.

Well, idk about that, my thinking is more along the lines of extending subsidies to more agricultural products, and requiring that a company that wants to sell its goods in the United States have to hire X number of people...

They dont have a choice but to sell here, being the largest market and all, and even if they chose not to, it does us the favor of being able to domestically produce/sell them...

They did it with the car companies, and, although it hurt the big three, it prompted Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc., to put factories in the United States...

So, its not a tariff on outsourcing I think, so much as requiring that the foreign companies that flood our markets with their goods also hire our people...


Hmm, good point. A cookie for you sir.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:47 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:In my humble opinion, the recession has been used as an excuse by a lot of companies and cooperations to trim down the workforce not for necessity but for streamlining. The companies where not going to go broke, but they might as well lay off 20% of the workforce endevour to be more efficient and bulk up the bonus and benefits packages for the executives (as publicly demonstrated in the banking sector).

Why have 5 people doing what 2 people can do under threat of further layoffs?

Almost, I would agree about the companies actions, but, really, what they want isnt to not have five people do what 2 could...

But to have 20 sweatshop workers have twice the output for a pittance in comparison in a foreign country...
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Maurepas wrote:Well, idk about that, my thinking is more along the lines of extending subsidies to more agricultural products, and requiring that a company that wants to sell its goods in the United States have to hire X number of people...

They dont have a choice but to sell here, being the largest market and all, and even if they chose not to, it does us the favor of being able to domestically produce/sell them...

They did it with the car companies, and, although it hurt the big three, it prompted Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc., to put factories in the United States...

So, its not a tariff on outsourcing I think, so much as requiring that the foreign companies that flood our markets with their goods also hire our people...

I say, that is a good idea. I detest tariffs for it hurts the consumer and corporate welfare irks me, but the mandatory employment is a good idea. :clap:

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Postby Urzamalandi » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:57 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:In my humble opinion, the recession has been used as an excuse by a lot of companies and cooperations to trim down the workforce not for necessity but for streamlining. The companies where not going to go broke, but they might as well lay off 20% of the workforce endevour to be more efficient and bulk up the bonus and benefits packages for the executives (as publicly demonstrated in the banking sector).

Why have 5 people doing what 2 people can do under threat of further layoffs?

Almost, I would agree about the companies actions, but, really, what they want isnt to not have five people do what 2 could...

But to have 20 sweatshop workers have twice the output for a pittance in comparison in a foreign country...


I'd say equally true but that's not the cause for the increase of unemployment over the last 2 years. Outsourcing has been the cause decreasing employment opportunities over the past years 15 or so.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:07 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:In my humble opinion, the recession has been used as an excuse by a lot of companies and cooperations to trim down the workforce not for necessity but for streamlining. The companies where not going to go broke, but they might as well lay off 20% of the workforce endevour to be more efficient and bulk up the bonus and benefits packages for the executives (as publicly demonstrated in the banking sector).

Why have 5 people doing what 2 people can do under threat of further layoffs?

Almost, I would agree about the companies actions, but, really, what they want isnt to not have five people do what 2 could...

But to have 20 sweatshop workers have twice the output for a pittance in comparison in a foreign country...


I'd say equally true but that's not the cause for the increase of unemployment over the last 2 years. Outsourcing has been the cause decreasing employment opportunities over the past years 15 or so.

I think it simply came to a head in the last two years as a result of the Banking, Auto, and Housing collapses...

With other industries jumping on the bandwagon, as you said, to increase profit margins...

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Postby Euroslavia » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:09 pm

I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.
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Euroslavia wrote:I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.

You're from Detroit? Im sorry, are the rumours of all the major food retailers pulling out true, or exaggerated? Is it the post-apocalyptic scene they display on the news?

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Euroslavia wrote:I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.

You're from Detroit? Im sorry, are the rumours of all the major food retailers pulling out true, or exaggerated? Is it the post-apocalyptic scene they display on the news?


Time to buy real estate in Detroit?
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Maurepas wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.

You're from Detroit? Im sorry, are the rumours of all the major food retailers pulling out true, or exaggerated? Is it the post-apocalyptic scene they display on the news?

Total destruction can led to a total rebirth.
I heard people in Detroit are beginning to plant their own food in vacant lots.
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Maurepas wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.

You're from Detroit? Im sorry, are the rumours of all the major food retailers pulling out true, or exaggerated? Is it the post-apocalyptic scene they display on the news?


It's slightly exaggerated, but it is a pretty grizzly sight.


Zeppy wrote:Total destruction can led to a total rebirth.

The only problem with that is finding someone who is willing to re-create Detroit without being corrupt. Kwame Kilpatrick really screwed us over.
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Maurepas wrote:I was at first asking what the colors represent...but, after watching it, I assume the Purple and Green mean worse...

Its kind of scary to watch the Purples and green slowly take over more and more, and get darker, and spread from both the West, and East Coast towards the middle, :o

But, it doesnt surprise me, Unemployment will rise until you start hiring Americans again, simple as that, if you're hiring in China, Southeast Asia, and Mexico, then you're losing jobs here...

As opposed to those companies merely laying off people and not hiring anywhere? Our jobs, or no jobs, I see.
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Euroslavia wrote:I've heard some figures about Detroit's unemployment rate reaching to the upwards of 30%. http://detnews.com/article/20091216/MET ... unemployed Count me as one of 'em. It's ridiculously difficult to find a job.



Have you tried... The Oldest Profession? :eyebrow:
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Euroslavia wrote:
Zeppy wrote:Total destruction can led to a total rebirth.

The only problem with that is finding someone who is willing to re-create Detroit without being corrupt. Kwame Kilpatrick really screwed us over.

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