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Teemant wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Teemant wrote:

ZATAK wrote:The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

Teemant wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Teemant wrote:
South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

ZATAK wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

The North may get a bit of a lucky start for the first say three days in the fact that they may still be standing... The Norths tactic of rushing in may seem like a good strategy on paper but honestly I can't see it working all that well though once troops enter the North things may be slightly harder although again I can't say what NK has planned in these events or what they would be doing.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Teemant wrote:
South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

ZATAK wrote:The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Teemant wrote:

ZATAK wrote:The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

Teemant wrote:We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

ZATAK wrote:The North may get a bit of a lucky start for the first say three days in the fact that they may still be standing... The Norths tactic of rushing in may seem like a good strategy on paper but honestly I can't see it working all that well though once troops enter the North things may be slightly harder although again I can't say what NK has planned in these events or what they would be doing.

NK is not going to last for long in a war, they will do their initial push, make some gains, then get crushed and the North proceeds to get bombed back to the stone age by the US, SK, and Japanese Airforces.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.

Teemant wrote:
What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

This new thing called their fucking country?

Teemant wrote:We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.

Teemant wrote:
What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

This new thing called their fucking country?

Teemant wrote:We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

Teemant wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.
This new thing called their fucking country?
The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

In this case "their fucking country" isn't good explanation in my opinion. We must take into consideration what kind of a country North Korea actually is. We're not dealing with a democracy or even authoritarian regime - North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship.
If a country systematically represses it's people, sends them into concentration camps and violates human rights in every possible way then people might be not so happy to die for such country. Also there is an effect of low living standards and shortage of everything necessary. South Korea is like a paradise compared to North Korea.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.
This new thing called their fucking country?
The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

Im not forgetting they will be attacking SK and US positions, i am just saying that eating bark is not badass, its stupid and will not protect you.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Teemant wrote:
In this case "their fucking country" isn't good explanation in my opinion. We must take into consideration what kind of a country North Korea actually is. We're not dealing with a democracy or even authoritarian regime - North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship.
If a country systematically represses it's people, sends them into concentration camps and violates human rights in every possible way then people might be not so happy to die for such country. Also there is an effect of low living standards and shortage of everything necessary. South Korea is like a paradise compared to North Korea.

Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Teemant wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

Teemant wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea.

Tierra Prime wrote:

Teemant wrote:
South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

It has a very large reserve, but North Korea apparently has twice that.

Whether or not they are trained is another matter entirely, they might only be militia.

Teemant wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea. In addition I never mentioned that the entire army would desert but I belive that there will be huge numbers of deserters should South Korea and North Korea fight against each other.

Teemant wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:It has a very large reserve, but North Korea apparently has twice that.

Whether or not they are trained is another matter entirely, they might only be militia.

South Korea has twice the population of North Korea and compulsory military service. I think South Korea and its citizens are prepeared.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Teemant wrote:
Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea. In addition I never mentioned that the entire army would desert but I belive that there will be huge numbers of deserters should South Korea and North Korea fight against each other.

What quantifies "huge" will be subjective. Their military is "huge", so "a few thousand" (which is a lot) will be drop in the ocean proportionally.
As a socialist state of some flavour I would assume it's full of political officers to enforce the party line and "dissuade" desertion. This dissuasion may take the form of Russian Roulette Korean Happy-go-fun Time with a fully-loaded TT-33.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:What quantifies "huge" will be subjective. Their military is "huge", so "a few thousand" (which is a lot) will be drop in the ocean proportionally.
As a socialist state of some flavour I would assume it's full of political officers to enforce the party line and "dissuade" desertion. This dissuasion may take the form of Russian Roulette Korean Happy-go-fun Time with a fully-loaded TT-33.

Wait, a TT-33 isn't a revolver...

Are these commissars trying to get people killed?

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Teemant wrote:
South Korea has twice the population of North Korea and compulsory military service. I think South Korea and its citizens are prepeared.

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.
If the US didn't permanently station US forces in Korea (with USFJ in effective reserve), they might not even intervene for political reasons of troop losses.

Teemant wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.
If the US didn't permanently station US forces in Korea (with USFJ in effective reserve), they might not even intervene for political reasons of troop losses.

What makes you belive that South Koreans are not so willing to fight? Just the fact that they are a modern state? South Korea has one of the toughest military services in the world.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Teemant wrote:
What makes you belive that South Koreans are not so willing to fight? Just the fact that they are a modern state? South Korea has one of the toughest military services in the world.

He didn't say that.

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.

Teemant wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He didn't say that.

What does that mean then?

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.

Teemant wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He didn't say that.

What does that mean then?

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.