North Korea Megathread

[The Huskar Social Union]

I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

[Zatak]

The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

I said possibly.. It is really hard to tell how loyal North Korean soldiers are because we know only about their military from defecters and spying operation.

Are they loyal? Maybe and maybe not... Some may and some may not...

Again I don't believe North Korea will be as effective as most people claim.. The biggest thing they may have for them is their special forces but that is a very skeptical guess as again we don't really know what fully goes on in there.

[Tokuopolis]

I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

Joking mode: If they keep trading Artillery, The north will have modern weapons too.

[Zatak]

South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

The North may get a bit of a lucky start for the first say three days in the fact that they may still be standing... The Norths tactic of rushing in may seem like a good strategy on paper but honestly I can't see it working all that well though once troops enter the North things may be slightly harder although again I can't say what NK has planned in these events or what they would be doing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

The North may get a bit of a lucky start for the first say three days in the fact that they may still be standing... The Norths tactic of rushing in may seem like a good strategy on paper but honestly I can't see it working all that well though once troops enter the North things may be slightly harder although again I can't say what NK has planned in these events or what they would be doing.

NK is not going to last for long in a war, they will do their initial push, make some gains, then get crushed and the North proceeds to get bombed back to the stone age by the US, SK, and Japanese Airforces.

[Teemant]

South Korean army has number too in addition to modern equipment.

Yeah SK military has better gear, better training as well given how deranged NK training look likes and have the support of US forces stationed in SK, add on that US forces stationed in Japan and the Japanese Defence Forces as well which would not doubt get involved. NK might get some sever damage done to Seoul early on and some other border cities and towns but they are not going to win, once the SK gets properly mobilised and the US engages they are done for, and they know it, at least they should.

I don't belive that North Korea can actually do that much damage to Seoul. I'm sure that South Korea and USA keep an eye on North Korean military movements and when they see a larger build up near South Korean border they have capabilites to strike North Korean artillery with cruise missiles for example. South Korea and USA have capabilites to launch thousands of Tomahawks (and other missiles) simultaneously which would probably destroy most of the North Korean artillery.

We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

[Imperializt Russia]

The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.

The problem with North Korea is that we really can only speculate on what they have and how their military works. If we follow some reports then North Korean soldiers are animals who live on tree bark and rocks in times of war or something badass like that.. If there is one thing North Korean troops could be it is loyal and brutally trained to fight and kill any opposition force that comes their way. A thing to also remember is that North Korean war planners most likely don't count any outside help and most likely plan to fight alone again a coalition of possible nations.

If anything is scary it is both the possible brutal training that the North Koreans endure and North Korean special forces who are on another level in general according to reports and that special forces group is not small....

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

This new thing called their fucking country?

We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

[Zatak]

The North may get a bit of a lucky start for the first say three days in the fact that they may still be standing... The Norths tactic of rushing in may seem like a good strategy on paper but honestly I can't see it working all that well though once troops enter the North things may be slightly harder although again I can't say what NK has planned in these events or what they would be doing.

NK is not going to last for long in a war, they will do their initial push, make some gains, then get crushed and the North proceeds to get bombed back to the stone age by the US, SK, and Japanese Airforces.

That what I am saying.. Initial gains just for the surprise in it and maybe a initial artillery control but really it is estimated that it could take three days for US and SK forces to eliminate NK artillery most likely this is a most..

Once they enter NK? It may be a bumpy start but really those Mig-21 and a small group of Mig-29 aint that superiority force... I would personally be more scared at NK submarines lurking around but again it is only a matter of time..

[Teemant]

Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

This new thing called their fucking country?

We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

In this case "their fucking country" isn't good explanation in my opinion. We must take into consideration what kind of a country North Korea actually is. We're not dealing with a democracy or even authoritarian regime - North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship.
If a country systematically represses it's people, sends them into concentration camps and violates human rights in every possible way then people might be not so happy to die for such country. Also there is an effect of low living standards and shortage of everything necessary. South Korea is like a paradise compared to North Korea.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Eating bark and stones is not badass its fucking deranged and stupid, they are not fucking space marines. You can eat all the bark you want it wont help you when you are blown to pieces by artillery and or eviscerated by machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.

What makes you think they are loyal? What are they exactly fighting for to be honest? I think there would be huge number of deserters.

This new thing called their fucking country?

We saw what happened in The First Gulf War. This was a total domination by USA without slightest doubt about it. I'm not sure if North Korea even has army that is comparable to what Iraq had in the beggining of 1990s when First Gulf War happened. Not to mention that many new technologies have been introduced to military since 1991. This means that this war could be even more one sided than Gulf War was.

The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

Im not forgetting they will be attacking SK and US positions, i am just saying that eating bark is not badass, its stupid and will not protect you.

[Imperializt Russia]

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.
This new thing called their fucking country?
The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

In this case "their fucking country" isn't good explanation in my opinion. We must take into consideration what kind of a country North Korea actually is. We're not dealing with a democracy or even authoritarian regime - North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship.
If a country systematically represses it's people, sends them into concentration camps and violates human rights in every possible way then people might be not so happy to die for such country. Also there is an effect of low living standards and shortage of everything necessary. South Korea is like a paradise compared to North Korea.

Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

[Zatak]

Which everyone conveniently seems to forget is exactly what the Norks will be doing to US and ROK positions anyway.
This new thing called their fucking country?
The Gulf War is in no way applicable to Korea.
The Gulf was so favourable to US and coalition forces, it wasn't even funny.

Im not forgetting they will be attacking SK and US positions, i am just saying that eating bark is not badass, its stupid and will not protect you.

Now i am curious if they actually would eat bark...

You never know! Stranger things have happened!

[Teemant]

In this case "their fucking country" isn't good explanation in my opinion. We must take into consideration what kind of a country North Korea actually is. We're not dealing with a democracy or even authoritarian regime - North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship.
If a country systematically represses it's people, sends them into concentration camps and violates human rights in every possible way then people might be not so happy to die for such country. Also there is an effect of low living standards and shortage of everything necessary. South Korea is like a paradise compared to North Korea.

Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea. In addition I never mentioned that the entire army would desert but I belive that there will be huge numbers of deserters should South Korea and North Korea fight against each other.

[Tierra Prime]

I wonder how an actual war would play out. The South obviously has modern equipment and US support, but the North has a fucking huge military.

Run out of food and fuel in a week and stall?

South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

It has a very large reserve, but North Korea apparently has twice that.

Whether or not they are trained is another matter entirely, they might only be militia.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea.

How, besides twice the number of dictatorships being involved?

[Teemant]

South Korean army has numbers too in addition to modern equipment.

It has a very large reserve, but North Korea apparently has twice that.

Whether or not they are trained is another matter entirely, they might only be militia.

South Korea has twice the population of North Korea and compulsory military service. I think South Korea and its citizens are prepeared.

[Imperializt Russia]

Are you aware of these two countries, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? They were oppressive dictatorships.
Didn't stop them from killing twenty million of each other's soldiers between them in a battle for survival. It didn't stop the Germans from throwing men, women and children at American tanks in the west either come 1945.

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea. In addition I never mentioned that the entire army would desert but I belive that there will be huge numbers of deserters should South Korea and North Korea fight against each other.

What quantifies "huge" will be subjective. Their military is "huge", so "a few thousand" (which is a lot) will be drop in the ocean proportionally.
As a socialist state of some flavour I would assume it's full of political officers to enforce the party line and "dissuade" desertion. This dissuasion may take the form of Russian Roulette Korean Happy-go-fun Time with a fully-loaded TT-33.

[Imperializt Russia]

It has a very large reserve, but North Korea apparently has twice that.

Whether or not they are trained is another matter entirely, they might only be militia.

South Korea has twice the population of North Korea and compulsory military service. I think South Korea and its citizens are prepeared.

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.
If the US didn't permanently station US forces in Korea (with USFJ in effective reserve), they might not even intervene for political reasons of troop losses.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Two totalitarian dictatorships fighting against each other is a different scenario compared to situation in Korea. In addition I never mentioned that the entire army would desert but I belive that there will be huge numbers of deserters should South Korea and North Korea fight against each other.

What quantifies "huge" will be subjective. Their military is "huge", so "a few thousand" (which is a lot) will be drop in the ocean proportionally.
As a socialist state of some flavour I would assume it's full of political officers to enforce the party line and "dissuade" desertion. This dissuasion may take the form of Russian Roulette Korean Happy-go-fun Time with a fully-loaded TT-33.

Wait, a TT-33 isn't a revolver...

Are these commissars trying to get people killed?

[Imperializt Russia]

What quantifies "huge" will be subjective. Their military is "huge", so "a few thousand" (which is a lot) will be drop in the ocean proportionally.
As a socialist state of some flavour I would assume it's full of political officers to enforce the party line and "dissuade" desertion. This dissuasion may take the form of Russian Roulette Korean Happy-go-fun Time with a fully-loaded TT-33.

Wait, a TT-33 isn't a revolver...

Are these commissars trying to get people killed?

[Teemant]

South Korea has twice the population of North Korea and compulsory military service. I think South Korea and its citizens are prepeared.

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.
If the US didn't permanently station US forces in Korea (with USFJ in effective reserve), they might not even intervene for political reasons of troop losses.

What makes you belive that South Koreans are not so willing to fight? Just the fact that they are a modern state? South Korea has one of the toughest military services in the world.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.
If the US didn't permanently station US forces in Korea (with USFJ in effective reserve), they might not even intervene for political reasons of troop losses.

What makes you belive that South Koreans are not so willing to fight? Just the fact that they are a modern state? South Korea has one of the toughest military services in the world.

He didn't say that.

[Teemant]

What makes you belive that South Koreans are not so willing to fight? Just the fact that they are a modern state? South Korea has one of the toughest military services in the world.

He didn't say that.

What does that mean then?

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He didn't say that.

What does that mean then?

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.

'Averse to bloodshed' and 'unwilling to fight' are two wholly different things.

"It is well that wars are so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it", words spoken by one of the most successful generals of the 19th century. (Way behind Napoleon, of course)

[Imperializt Russia]

He didn't say that.

What does that mean then?

South Korea is a modern western state and as such, will be averse to the bloodshed. It may not be so willing to sustain an attritional battle that the North would seek.

Britain is also a very tough and well-experienced military state.
Like all modern western states, its public is horrifically casualty averse and the death of a single serviceperson can be enough to withdraw support and pressure the government.

Back when basically all members of the government were ex-servicepersons or had run in a wartime cabinet or government, this didn't happen, because the government and the public understood the demands and sacrifices that a military campaign required, and now no-one does.

Got to hand it to General Giap, he's still winning the Vietnam War.