American College Football(NCAAF) 2015-2016 Discussion Thread

[Luminesa]

MSU>Oklahoma

Youre own gif applies that's how asinine and comical that statement is, at least to anyone who actually follows football. I suspect you don't even actually watch college football and take memos from skip on espn.

Your argument that MSU is better than OU because it beat two "playoff worthy teams" relies entirely on the eye test IE "the defending national champs so they're automatically a playoff team" even though as early as week 3 they were already being talked about getting knocked out of the top 4.... and "an undefeated p5 team must be great" never mind they played a cupcake schedule in the statistically worst division in cfb in the statistically 3rd best p5 conference.... and then lost when they finally played a decent team.... when you look at actual stats for who played who OU not only performed better than MSU on both sides of the ball, it also did it against better teams than what MSU was playing, and struggling against. But yeah MSU is better than OU...talk about litloling.

so nice job ignoring everything about being completely wrong about all these imaginary facts you enjoy conjuring up when someone says something you don't like. yeah im totes a b1g fan. let me just continue laughing

yeah everyone who ACTUALLY follows college football agrees with you, so like, you must be the only person who ACTUALLY watches college football. amazing, i never knew college football had one ACTUAL viewer. great fallacy there bro

lol sure ok kid yeah I don't ever watch football and I get all my facts from ESPN (despite, you know, me bitching and moaning about their media coverage repeatedly in college football threads, despite me making a poll dedicated to the attempt at being better than the media at polling - demonstrating, again, your amusing lack of knowledge about me in any form or fashion, but feel free to keep me laughing)... but somehow the SEC is still the best conference this year in your mind. lol. only in ns sports threads

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html

SOS stats
Michigan State: 5.88 (5th of 128)
Oklahoma: 4.27 (23rd of 128)

Michigan State wins over Top Ten opponents: 2, #5 Ohio State and #6 Iowa
Oklahoma wins over Top Ten opponents: 1, #10 TCU

MSU>Oklahoma. Don't kid yourself.

Lol. Putin is a Spartans fan. Now I know why we don't get along, lol.

And remember, you never knooooooow...

[Luminesa]

MSU>Oklahoma

Youre own gif applies that's how asinine and comical that statement is, at least to anyone who actually follows football. I suspect you don't even actually watch college football and take memos from skip on espn.

Your argument that MSU is better than OU because it beat two "playoff worthy teams" relies entirely on the eye test IE "the defending national champs so they're automatically a playoff team" even though as early as week 3 they were already being talked about getting knocked out of the top 4.... and "an undefeated p5 team must be great" never mind they played a cupcake schedule in the statistically worst division in cfb in the statistically 3rd best p5 conference.... and then lost when they finally played a decent team.... when you look at actual stats for who played who OU not only performed better than MSU on both sides of the ball, it also did it against better teams than what MSU was playing, and struggling against. But yeah MSU is better than OU...talk about litloling.

so nice job ignoring everything about being completely wrong about all these imaginary facts you enjoy conjuring up when someone says something you don't like. yeah im totes a b1g fan. let me just continue laughing

yeah everyone who ACTUALLY follows college football agrees with you, so like, you must be the only person who ACTUALLY watches college football. amazing, i never knew college football had one ACTUAL viewer. great fallacy there bro

lol sure ok kid yeah I don't ever watch football and I get all my facts from ESPN (despite, you know, me bitching and moaning about their media coverage repeatedly in college football threads, despite me making a poll dedicated to the attempt at being better than the media at polling - demonstrating, again, your amusing lack of knowledge about me in any form or fashion, but feel free to keep me laughing)... but somehow the SEC is still the best conference this year in your mind. lol. only in ns sports threads

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html

SOS stats
Michigan State: 5.88 (5th of 128)
Oklahoma: 4.27 (23rd of 128)

Michigan State wins over Top Ten opponents: 2, #5 Ohio State and #6 Iowa
Oklahoma wins over Top Ten opponents: 1, #10 TCU

MSU>Oklahoma. Don't kid yourself.

Lol. Putin is a Spartans fan. Now I know why we don't get along, lol.

And remember, you never knooooooow...

[Greed and Death]

Why not stop dumping a bunch of money into football and focus on the academics ?

[Luminesa]

Why not stop dumping a bunch of money into football and focus on the academics ?

Kinda agree. I'm trying to keep a 3.5 GPA in college and my parents are currently paying for my schooling and the scholarships of some players who didn't lift a finger academically. Of course, that's not to say all of them, obviously-no sticking everyone in a box, lol. But yeah, some of the money these academic programs get are ridiculous. We don't need to cut the football programs, obviously, just give a little more to academics. I hear ya.

[Arkinesia]

My bowl game picks, predicted winners underlined and bolded:

New Mexico Bowl - Arizona (6-6) vs. New Mexico (7-5)

Las Vegas Bowl - (#33) BYU (9-3) vs. #21 Utah (9-3)

Camelia Bowl - Ohio (8-4) vs. Appalachian St. (9-2)

Cure Bowl - San Jose St. (5-7) vs. Georgia St. (6-6)

New Orleans Bowl - Louisiana Tech (8-4) vs. Arkansas St. (8-3)

Miami Beach Bowl - (#35) South Florida (8-4) vs. #25 Western Kentucky (11-2)

Humanitarian Bowl - Akron (7-5) vs. Utah State (6-6)

Boca Raton Bowl - (#30) Temple (10-3) vs. (#36) Toledo (9-2)

Poinsettia Bowl - Northern Illinois (8-5) vs. Boise St. (8-4)

Mobile Alabama Bowl - (#40) Bowling Green (10-3) vs. Georgia Southern (8-4)

Bahamas Bowl - Middle Tennessee (7-5) vs. W. Michigan (7-5)

Hawaii Bowl - Cincinnati (7-5) vs. (#39) San Diego St. (10-3)

St. Petersburg Bowl - Marshall (9-3) vs. UConn (6-6)

Sun Bowl - (#37) Miami (8-4) vs. (#28) Washington St. (8-4)

Heart of Dallas Bowl - Washington (6-6) vs. Southern Mississippi (9-4)

Pinstripe Bowl - Duke (7-5) vs. Indiana (6-6)

Independence Bowl - Virginia Tech (6-6) vs. Tulsa (6-6)

San Fransisco Bowl - Nebraska (5-7) vs. (#29) UCLA (8-4)

Military Bowl - #23 Navy (9-2) vs. (#38) Pittsburgh (8-4)

New Motor City Bowl - Central Michigan (7-5) vs. Minnesota (5-7)

Fort Worth Bowl - Air Force (8-5) vs. California (7-5)

Tangerine Bowl - #13 North Carolina (11-2) vs. #22 Baylor (9-3)

Arizona Bowl - Nevada (6-6) vs. Colorado St. (7-5)

Texas Bowl - Texas Tech (7-5) vs. #19 LSU (8-3)

Birmingham Bowl - Auburn (6-6) vs. (#31) Memphis (9-3)

Queen City Bowl - NC State (7-5) vs. (#27) Mississippi St. (8-4)

Music City Bowl - Louisville (7-5) vs. (#34) Texas A&M (8-4)

Holiday Bowl - #18 Wisconsin (9-3) vs. (#32) Southern Cal (8-5)

Peach Bowl - #12 Houston (12-1) vs. #9 Florida St. (10-2)

Hall of Fame Bowl - #8 Northwestern (10-2) vs. (#26) Tennessee (8-4)

Citrus Bowl - #16 Michigan (9-3) vs. #20 Florida (10-3)

Fiesta Bowl - #11 Notre Dame (10-2) vs. #5 Ohio St. (11-1)

Rose Bowl - #6 Iowa (12-1) vs. #7 Stanford (11-2)

Sugar Bowl - #14 Oklahoma St. (10-2) vs. #15 Ole Miss (9-3)

Gator Bowl - Penn St. (7-5) vs. #24 Georgia (9-3)

Liberty Bowl - Kansas St. (6-6) vs. Arkansas (7-5)

Alamo Bowl - #17 Oregon (9-3) vs. #10 TCU (10-2)

Copper Bowl - West Virginia (7-5) vs. Arizona St. (6-6)

Orange Bowl - #1 Clemson (13-0) vs. #4 Oklahoma (11-1)

Cotton Bowl - #2 Alabama (12-1) vs. #3 Michigan St. (12-1)

College Football Championship Game - #1 Clemson vs. #3 Michigan State

haha how is Mich State going to beat Clemson.

No seriously I want to know.

[Bythyrona]

My bowl game picks, predicted winners underlined and bolded:

New Mexico Bowl - Arizona (6-6) vs. New Mexico (7-5)

Las Vegas Bowl - (#33) BYU (9-3) vs. #21 Utah (9-3)

Camelia Bowl - Ohio (8-4) vs. Appalachian St. (9-2)

Cure Bowl - San Jose St. (5-7) vs. Georgia St. (6-6)

New Orleans Bowl - Louisiana Tech (8-4) vs. Arkansas St. (8-3)

Miami Beach Bowl - (#35) South Florida (8-4) vs. #25 Western Kentucky (11-2)

Humanitarian Bowl - Akron (7-5) vs. Utah State (6-6)

Boca Raton Bowl - (#30) Temple (10-3) vs. (#36) Toledo (9-2)

Poinsettia Bowl - Northern Illinois (8-5) vs. Boise St. (8-4)

Mobile Alabama Bowl - (#40) Bowling Green (10-3) vs. Georgia Southern (8-4)

Bahamas Bowl - Middle Tennessee (7-5) vs. W. Michigan (7-5)

Hawaii Bowl - Cincinnati (7-5) vs. (#39) San Diego St. (10-3)

St. Petersburg Bowl - Marshall (9-3) vs. UConn (6-6)

Sun Bowl - (#37) Miami (8-4) vs. (#28) Washington St. (8-4)

Heart of Dallas Bowl - Washington (6-6) vs. Southern Mississippi (9-4)

Pinstripe Bowl - Duke (7-5) vs. Indiana (6-6)

Independence Bowl - Virginia Tech (6-6) vs. Tulsa (6-6)

San Fransisco Bowl - Nebraska (5-7) vs. (#29) UCLA (8-4)

Military Bowl - #23 Navy (9-2) vs. (#38) Pittsburgh (8-4)

New Motor City Bowl - Central Michigan (7-5) vs. Minnesota (5-7)

Fort Worth Bowl - Air Force (8-5) vs. California (7-5)

Tangerine Bowl - #13 North Carolina (11-2) vs. #22 Baylor (9-3)

Arizona Bowl - Nevada (6-6) vs. Colorado St. (7-5)

Texas Bowl - Texas Tech (7-5) vs. #19 LSU (8-3)

Birmingham Bowl - Auburn (6-6) vs. (#31) Memphis (9-3)

Queen City Bowl - NC State (7-5) vs. (#27) Mississippi St. (8-4)

Music City Bowl - Louisville (7-5) vs. (#34) Texas A&M (8-4)

Holiday Bowl - #18 Wisconsin (9-3) vs. (#32) Southern Cal (8-5)

Peach Bowl - #12 Houston (12-1) vs. #9 Florida St. (10-2)

Hall of Fame Bowl - #8 Northwestern (10-2) vs. (#26) Tennessee (8-4)

Citrus Bowl - #16 Michigan (9-3) vs. #20 Florida (10-3)

Fiesta Bowl - #11 Notre Dame (10-2) vs. #5 Ohio St. (11-1)

Rose Bowl - #6 Iowa (12-1) vs. #7 Stanford (11-2)

Sugar Bowl - #14 Oklahoma St. (10-2) vs. #15 Ole Miss (9-3)

Gator Bowl - Penn St. (7-5) vs. #24 Georgia (9-3)

Liberty Bowl - Kansas St. (6-6) vs. Arkansas (7-5)

Alamo Bowl - #17 Oregon (9-3) vs. #10 TCU (10-2)

Copper Bowl - West Virginia (7-5) vs. Arizona St. (6-6)

Orange Bowl - #1 Clemson (13-0) vs. #4 Oklahoma (11-1)

Cotton Bowl - #2 Alabama (12-1) vs. #3 Michigan St. (12-1)

College Football Championship Game - #1 Clemson vs. #3 Michigan State

haha how is Mich State going to beat Clemson.

No seriously I want to know.

...I dunno, how did Ohio State win last year with a third-string QB?

Hint: MSU's wins over Iowa and OSU might have something to do with my prediction this year.

[Bythyrona]

...Will Muschamp is the new coach for the Gamecocks. Congrats on the worst coaching hire of the decade, you fucking idiots. ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rec ... =333270057

how the fuck does he have a job as a head coach at any team after that game

[Luminesa]

...Will Muschamp is the new coach for the Gamecocks. Congrats on the worst coaching hire of the decade, you fucking idiots. ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rec ... =333270057

how the fuck does he have a job as a head coach at any team after that game

Steve Spurrier for Will Muschamp...

Wow. That IS bad. Geez louis, if you're gonna look around the SEC for a coach, ya'll shoulda picked up Miles when we were about to fire him!

But we didn't, because we realized he's actually pretty good, so...sorry Gamecocks!

[Torisakia]

Why not stop dumping a bunch of money into football and focus on the academics ?

So you mean to tell me that college athletes actually study?

But seriously, I think there are some school who are trying to do this. Or at least have a good portion of the money that goes to their athletic programs go towards their academics as well.

Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Nebraska are much tougher opponents than Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.

MSU didnt even play Wisconsin or Minn this year so thats not even relevant,... TT lost to 4 ranked teams and you're completely mad if you think UT is going to be irrelevant for very long

sure Kansas and Iowa St are bad but Ou didnt struggle to beat them the same way MSU struggled to beat Purdue and Rutgers...and Nebraska finished 5-7 with losses to Purdue and Illinois and had trouble handling southern miss...and North western negated their upset of Stanford when they struggled mightily to put away teams like Duke and Ball state as well as a horrid Purdue team..Minn could barely handle Ohio Miami, Kent State, and got embarrassed by a crappy Nebraska team that let Purdue score 55pts on them. yeah that's some tough competition in the B1G alright...oh wait...

Well, if we're playing the "shitty teams game", then by that Alabama isn't a playoff worthy team because they certainly played some teams who didn't finish that well and struggled with other abysmal teams, as well as having close games with some of them, despite going 11-1.

If you're trying to say that there's only one conference that's superior, you're going to have a bad time.

[Torisakia]

...Will Muschamp is the new coach for the Gamecocks. Congrats on the worst coaching hire of the decade, you fucking idiots. ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rec ... =333270057

how the fuck does he have a job as a head coach at any team after that game

Should've taken Joey Freshwater. That way he could've fucked up BOTH USCs.

[Cymrea]

Why not stop dumping a bunch of money into football and focus on the academics ?

Kinda agree. I'm trying to keep a 3.5 GPA in college and my parents are currently paying for my schooling and the scholarships of some players who didn't lift a finger academically. Of course, that's not to say all of them, obviously-no sticking everyone in a box, lol. But yeah, some of the money these academic programs get are ridiculous. We don't need to cut the football programs, obviously, just give a little more to academics. I hear ya.

Ticket sales, merchandise sales, TV deals, sponsorships...so long as these things keep generating piles of money, the funding will continue. From what I understand, most schools' football revenues pay for most if not all of the athletics programmes.

[Traxa]

Kinda agree. I'm trying to keep a 3.5 GPA in college and my parents are currently paying for my schooling and the scholarships of some players who didn't lift a finger academically. Of course, that's not to say all of them, obviously-no sticking everyone in a box, lol. But yeah, some of the money these academic programs get are ridiculous. We don't need to cut the football programs, obviously, just give a little more to academics. I hear ya.

Ticket sales, merchandise sales, TV deals, sponsorships...so long as these things keep generating piles of money, the funding will continue. From what I understand, most schools' football revenues pay for most if not all of the athletics programmes.

Any big time school basketball or football generates more revenue than it requires, University of Florida football alone had a budget of roughly 23 million, in 2011-2012 that same year the football program alone brought in ~75 million. Texas football regularly brings in over 100 million dollars to the University. However a lot of that money is used for other athletics programs that do not generate income and are net losses for the University. UGA for example uses a large % of the profits its football team makes, to do things for its golf teams, track, gymnastics, etc etc without the football program raking in the cash those other programs would either not exist at worst, or at least those other less popular sports wouldnt be able to give scholarships to other students. Another thing a lot of AD money gets used for is campus wide projects, University of Louisville used a big chunck of cash coming in from its basektball and football programs to add onto a library on campus as an example, and endowment to professors to help keep them at their school instead of them leaving to go teach elsewhere.

and oh noes you used the dreaded SoS stat, a stat that again relies heavily on the "eye test' meanwhile when you look at defense and offense rankings, OU played better teams than MSU both defensively speaking and especially offensively speaking, it played more ranked teams than MSU none of these are "made up".

Im not laughing about lack of knowledge about you, I'm laughing at how incredibly simple you are, the eye test doesn't mean anything, and yet that's all you keep saying "MSU beat 2 top ten ranked teams" OhioSt should have been out of the top ten after they struggled against NIU, but they weren't because they won the game still and were "defending national champs" Iowa played by your own source a horrid 1.04 SoS yet they are somehow supposed to be a solid quality team for going undefeated...like I said any p5 team with iowa's schedule/division would be expected to go undefeated and make their conference championship, beating them is nothing to write home about. They played 1 quality team all year...and lost. and if you compare the two teams on your own source OU is better, even on Paper.

[Arkinesia]

haha how is Mich State going to beat Clemson.

No seriously I want to know.

...I dunno, how did Ohio State win last year with a third-string QB?

Hint: MSU's wins over Iowa and OSU might have something to do with my prediction this year.

Iowa is at best Clemson Jr.'s kid, and Ohio State is in no way comparable to Clemson.

In fact, the fact that Deshaun Watson won't win the Heisman, and why, is why I wonder how in the hell you think Michigan State will beat Clemson.

[Luminesa]

Kinda agree. I'm trying to keep a 3.5 GPA in college and my parents are currently paying for my schooling and the scholarships of some players who didn't lift a finger academically. Of course, that's not to say all of them, obviously-no sticking everyone in a box, lol. But yeah, some of the money these academic programs get are ridiculous. We don't need to cut the football programs, obviously, just give a little more to academics. I hear ya.

Ticket sales, merchandise sales, TV deals, sponsorships...so long as these things keep generating piles of money, the funding will continue. From what I understand, most schools' football revenues pay for most if not all of the athletics programmes.

I'm not saying get rid of it all, I'm just saying we maybe need to give a little bit of that money to academic programs.

[Traxa]

Ticket sales, merchandise sales, TV deals, sponsorships...so long as these things keep generating piles of money, the funding will continue. From what I understand, most schools' football revenues pay for most if not all of the athletics programmes.

I'm not saying get rid of it all, I'm just saying we maybe need to give a little bit of that money to academic programs.

They already do, in the form of new buildings/additions on campus and helping pay professors, cant have academics without professors.

and @Torisakia Bama struggled? Really against who...TN is their only close game all year besides a loss to Ole Miss, (who went 4-1 vs the top 25 themselves)

you're just grasping at straws.... TN proved they were at least capable of playing with two teams in the playoffs, and surely you aren't trying to compare struggling against TN/losing to ole miss with struggling against Western Michigan, Rutgers, Purdue, NIU, and Indiana who let (southern Illinois put 47 pts on them) and Bowling green even beat up on the B1G this year.

Im not saying one conference is invulnerable/the best there ever will be, Im saying the B1G is soft, the stat sheets back this assertion up, and Im saying it should have been the B1G who got snubbed this year but they arent because MSU beat "the defending national champs" even though that means nothing, and Iowa ran the table in the statistically worst division in CFB (among p5 conferences) but because its a p5 conference and they ran the table they should automatically get in. Huston has a better resume than the B1G and even though i hate the fact of a non conference champ getting in even ND has a better case to be in the top 4 than MSU.

[Torisakia]

I'm not saying get rid of it all, I'm just saying we maybe need to give a little bit of that money to academic programs.

They already do, in the form of new buildings/additions on campus and helping pay professors, cant have academics without professors.

and @Torisakia Bama struggled? Really against who...TN is their only close game all year besides a loss to Ole Miss, (who went 4-1 vs the top 25 themselves)

you're just grasping at straws.... TN proved they were at least capable of playing with two teams in the playoffs, and surely you aren't trying to compare struggling against TN/losing to ole miss with struggling against Western Michigan, Rutgers, Purdue, NIU, and Indiana who let (southern Illinois put 47 pts on them) and Bowling green even beat up on the B1G this year.

Im not saying one conference is invulnerable/the best there ever will be, Im saying the B1G is soft, the stat sheets back this assertion up, and Im saying it should have been the B1G who got snubbed this year but they arent because MSU beat "the defending national champs" even though that means nothing, and Iowa ran the table in the statistically worst division in CFB (among p5 conferences) but because its a p5 conference and they ran the table they should automatically get in. Huston has a better resume than the B1G and even though i hate the fact of a non conference champ getting in even ND has a better case to be in the top 4 than MSU.

Well, if you're going on about the Big Ten and their 'softness' affecting SoS, I assume you will go on about the SEC's SoS. Considering Jacksonville State took Auburn to OT, a then 2-8 Florida Atlantic team took a Top 10 Florida team to OT, and The Citadel beat South Carolina. Not to mention the other G5 and FCS teams the SEC played throughout the year. But please, tell me more about how playing conference opponents = weak SoS.

And I assume you also believe that last year's Florida State team was not capable of being the CFP since they struggled in about 3/4th of their games.

[Luminesa]

I'm not saying get rid of it all, I'm just saying we maybe need to give a little bit of that money to academic programs.

They already do, in the form of new buildings/additions on campus and helping pay professors, cant have academics without professors.

and @Torisakia Bama struggled? Really against who...TN is their only close game all year besides a loss to Ole Miss, (who went 4-1 vs the top 25 themselves)

you're just grasping at straws.... TN proved they were at least capable of playing with two teams in the playoffs, and surely you aren't trying to compare struggling against TN/losing to ole miss with struggling against Western Michigan, Rutgers, Purdue, NIU, and Indiana who let (southern Illinois put 47 pts on them) and Bowling green even beat up on the B1G this year.

Im not saying one conference is invulnerable/the best there ever will be, Im saying the B1G is soft, the stat sheets back this assertion up, and Im saying it should have been the B1G who got snubbed this year but they arent because MSU beat "the defending national champs" even though that means nothing, and Iowa ran the table in the statistically worst division in CFB (among p5 conferences) but because its a p5 conference and they ran the table they should automatically get in. Huston has a better resume than the B1G and even though i hate the fact of a non conference champ getting in even ND has a better case to be in the top 4 than MSU.

Dude, Pac-12 is the weakest. They can't hardly beat anyone outside their own division.
Big 1G can.

[Traxa]

They already do, in the form of new buildings/additions on campus and helping pay professors, cant have academics without professors.

and @Torisakia Bama struggled? Really against who...TN is their only close game all year besides a loss to Ole Miss, (who went 4-1 vs the top 25 themselves)

you're just grasping at straws.... TN proved they were at least capable of playing with two teams in the playoffs, and surely you aren't trying to compare struggling against TN/losing to ole miss with struggling against Western Michigan, Rutgers, Purdue, NIU, and Indiana who let (southern Illinois put 47 pts on them) and Bowling green even beat up on the B1G this year.

Im not saying one conference is invulnerable/the best there ever will be, Im saying the B1G is soft, the stat sheets back this assertion up, and Im saying it should have been the B1G who got snubbed this year but they arent because MSU beat "the defending national champs" even though that means nothing, and Iowa ran the table in the statistically worst division in CFB (among p5 conferences) but because its a p5 conference and they ran the table they should automatically get in. Huston has a better resume than the B1G and even though i hate the fact of a non conference champ getting in even ND has a better case to be in the top 4 than MSU.

Well, if you're going on about the Big Ten and their 'softness' affecting SoS, I assume you will go on about the SEC's SoS. Considering Jacksonville State took Auburn to OT, a then 2-8 Florida Atlantic team took a Top 10 Florida team to OT, and The Citadel beat South Carolina. Not to mention the other G5 and FCS teams the SEC played throughout the year. But please, tell me more about how playing conference opponents = weak SoS.

And I assume you also believe that last year's Florida State team was not capable of being the CFP since they struggled in about 3/4th of their games.

FSU proved they shouldn't have been in the CFP when they got creamed by Oregon and I said that last year as well they didn't deserve that slot but again "defending national champions" so they got it anyway. Last year I said OhioSt /should/ have been in the playoff because other than their 1 loss to a VT team, they handled business.

The difference between Bama and MSU is Bama did not struggle with bad teams, MSU did.

What they really need to do in college football is just make every conference champion automatically get a playoff slot, including the MAC/AAC etc that would be a 10 team playoff put ND into the ACC they're already halfway there anyway and there would be no room for any sort of debate, win your conference or go home its that simple. The only debate would be Seeding which is rather moot anyway.

It would also let the "little guys" have a possibility of some NCAA march madness like upsets to beat the "big guys" which are always more entertaining and in todays football world which is probably the highest % of parity there has ever been I could see a Huston pulling off an upset. or as Appalachian State, and this year Florida Atlantic have already shown the "little guys" winning is very much within the realm of possibility.

[Torisakia]

Well, if you're going on about the Big Ten and their 'softness' affecting SoS, I assume you will go on about the SEC's SoS. Considering Jacksonville State took Auburn to OT, a then 2-8 Florida Atlantic team took a Top 10 Florida team to OT, and The Citadel beat South Carolina. Not to mention the other G5 and FCS teams the SEC played throughout the year. But please, tell me more about how playing conference opponents = weak SoS.

And I assume you also believe that last year's Florida State team was not capable of being the CFP since they struggled in about 3/4th of their games.

FSU proved they shouldn't have been in the CFP when they got creamed by Oregon and I said that last year as well they didn't deserve that slot but again "defending national champions" so they got it anyway. Last year I said OhioSt /should/ have been in the playoff because other than their 1 loss to a VT team, they handled business.

The difference between Bama and MSU is Bama did not struggle with bad teams, MSU did.

What they really need to do in college football is just make every conference champion automatically get a playoff slot, including the MAC/AAC etc that would be a 10 team playoff put ND into the ACC they're already halfway there anyway and there would be no room for any sort of debate, win your conference or go home its that simple. The only debate would be Seeding which is rather moot anyway.

It would also let the "little guys" have a possibility of some NCAA march madness like upsets to beat the "big guys" which are always more entertaining and in todays football world which is probably the highest % of parity there has ever been I could see a Huston pulling off an upset. or as Appalachian State, and this year Florida Atlantic have already shown the "little guys" winning is very much within the realm of possibility.

But if there's a 10 team playoff, that would mean 5 teams advance. Making an odd number if matchups. So one team would have to get an automatic bid to the championship. I don't think that will get far.

This is why I say we should just say 'fuck it' to the regular season and have a 128 team playoff (I'll fix it some way when Costal Carolina and UAB get here). That way if you struggle with a bad team, it won't matter cause you're already in the playoff. Of course, it'll never happen. But I at least want to dream.

[Luminesa]

FSU proved they shouldn't have been in the CFP when they got creamed by Oregon and I said that last year as well they didn't deserve that slot but again "defending national champions" so they got it anyway. Last year I said OhioSt /should/ have been in the playoff because other than their 1 loss to a VT team, they handled business.

The difference between Bama and MSU is Bama did not struggle with bad teams, MSU did.

What they really need to do in college football is just make every conference champion automatically get a playoff slot, including the MAC/AAC etc that would be a 10 team playoff put ND into the ACC they're already halfway there anyway and there would be no room for any sort of debate, win your conference or go home its that simple. The only debate would be Seeding which is rather moot anyway.

It would also let the "little guys" have a possibility of some NCAA march madness like upsets to beat the "big guys" which are always more entertaining and in todays football world which is probably the highest % of parity there has ever been I could see a Huston pulling off an upset. or as Appalachian State, and this year Florida Atlantic have already shown the "little guys" winning is very much within the realm of possibility.

But if there's a 10 team playoff, that would mean 5 teams advance. Making an odd number if matchups. So one team would have to get an automatic bid to the championship. I don't think that will get far.

This is why I say we should just say 'fuck it' to the regular season and have a 128 team playoff (I'll fix it some way when Costal Carolina and UAB get here). That way if you struggle with a bad team, it won't matter cause you're already in the playoff. Of course, it'll never happen. But I at least want to dream.

...Wait...

So March Madness...

But with COLLEGE FOOTBALL?!

TORI YOU'RE A GENIUS!

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FSU proved they shouldn't have been in the CFP when they got creamed by Oregon and I said that last year as well they didn't deserve that slot but again "defending national champions" so they got it anyway. Last year I said OhioSt /should/ have been in the playoff because other than their 1 loss to a VT team, they handled business.

The difference between Bama and MSU is Bama did not struggle with bad teams, MSU did.

What they really need to do in college football is just make every conference champion automatically get a playoff slot, including the MAC/AAC etc that would be a 10 team playoff put ND into the ACC they're already halfway there anyway and there would be no room for any sort of debate, win your conference or go home its that simple. The only debate would be Seeding which is rather moot anyway.

It would also let the "little guys" have a possibility of some NCAA march madness like upsets to beat the "big guys" which are always more entertaining and in todays football world which is probably the highest % of parity there has ever been I could see a Huston pulling off an upset. or as Appalachian State, and this year Florida Atlantic have already shown the "little guys" winning is very much within the realm of possibility.

But if there's a 10 team playoff, that would mean 5 teams advance. Making an odd number if matchups. So one team would have to get an automatic bid to the championship. I don't think that will get far.

This is why I say we should just say 'fuck it' to the regular season and have a 128 team playoff (I'll fix it some way when Costal Carolina and UAB get here). That way if you struggle with a bad team, it won't matter cause you're already in the playoff. Of course, it'll never happen. But I at least want to dream.

W/L record for seeding, the best record mini5 team doesnt have a "play in" game. Lowest seeded p5 teams play another p5 team instead of playing a mini5 team. #1 and #2 seed get bye weeks for the play in games. If there's a tie on W/L use point spread of conference championship game to determine seeding, ie two teams are 11-1 but team A won their conference championship by 20 and B won on a FG. Team A gets a higher seed.

Every conference champ is represented from div1, you could keep the stupid bowls for the semifinals/final like they have set up now no problem make the play in games lesser prestigious bowls no one is snubbed, theres nothing to cry about.

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But if there's a 10 team playoff, that would mean 5 teams advance. Making an odd number if matchups. So one team would have to get an automatic bid to the championship. I don't think that will get far.

This is why I say we should just say 'fuck it' to the regular season and have a 128 team playoff (I'll fix it some way when Costal Carolina and UAB get here). That way if you struggle with a bad team, it won't matter cause you're already in the playoff. Of course, it'll never happen. But I at least want to dream.

W/L record for seeding, the best record mini5 team doesnt have a "play in" game. Lowest seeded p5 teams play another p5 team instead of playing a mini5 team. #1 and #2 seed get bye weeks for the play in games. If there's a tie on W/L use point spread of conference championship game to determine seeding, ie two teams are 11-1 but team A won their conference championship by 20 and B won on a FG. Team A gets a higher seed.

Every conference champ is represented from div1, you could keep the stupid bowls for the semifinals/final like they have set up now no problem make the play in games lesser prestigious bowls no one is snubbed, theres nothing to cry about.

So if I'm following this correctly, an 11-1 Michigan State team beats an 11-1 Wisconsin team on a last-second field goal, they would be seeded lower than an 11-1 Oregon team who beat a 8-4 USC team by three touchdowns?

Got me fucked up.

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W/L record for seeding, the best record mini5 team doesnt have a "play in" game. Lowest seeded p5 teams play another p5 team instead of playing a mini5 team. #1 and #2 seed get bye weeks for the play in games. If there's a tie on W/L use point spread of conference championship game to determine seeding, ie two teams are 11-1 but team A won their conference championship by 20 and B won on a FG. Team A gets a higher seed.

Every conference champ is represented from div1, you could keep the stupid bowls for the semifinals/final like they have set up now no problem make the play in games lesser prestigious bowls no one is snubbed, theres nothing to cry about.

So if I'm following this correctly, an 11-1 Michigan State team beats an 11-1 Wisconsin team on a last-second field goal, they would be seeded lower than an 11-1 Oregon team who beat a 8-4 USC team by three touchdowns?

Got me fucked up.

the seeding thing is whatever really, at least in regards to the power5 conferences, conf champs should be able to play with other conference champs . You could find other metrics for seeding obviously, this is still far better than the current 4 team system they have now.

(this a joke scenario anyway though because the B1G west is irrelevant much the same as the SEC east, the B1G comes down to who wins the MSU/OhioSt game)

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(this a joke scenario anyway though because the B1G west is irrelevant much the same as the SEC east, the B1G comes down to who wins the MSU/OhioSt game)

Considering there was actually a race between three teams to win the SEC East at one point, I'd say that's false.

Also, you claim that the Big Ten is a weak conference yet you overlook that the PAC-12 conference championship was between a 10-2 Stanford team and an 8-4 USC team.

So, if anything, the PAC-12 is the weaker conference. Like Luminesa said, they can barely beat anyone outside their conference. At least Big Ten teams show a fight chance.

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(this a joke scenario anyway though because the B1G west is irrelevant much the same as the SEC east, the B1G comes down to who wins the MSU/OhioSt game)

Considering there was actually a race between three teams to win the SEC East at one point, I'd say that's false.

Also, you claim that the Big Ten is a weak conference yet you overlook that the PAC-12 conference championship was between a 10-2 Stanford team and an 8-4 USC team.

So, if anything, the PAC-12 is the weaker conference. Like Luminesa said, they can barely beat anyone outside their conference. At least Big Ten teams show a fight chance.

One of Stanford's losses, and three of USC's were to other Pac-12 teams, and only one loss each to outside teams, one of those was Notre Dame. And they regularly beat teams from outside the conference. Luminesa is huffing glue!